Caylee Marie Anthony #139 6/21/09 - 6/24/09

[SunnyinTX]

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There are 5 bones in the sacrum areas of the skull and ossification does not complete until the skeleton is mature -  18 - 25 years of age.  Basically when all bone growth is complete.

thank you

my hero!  i've been waiting for someone who knew.

WAIT - at the risk of angering the just settled down natives - the sacrum IS NOT in your head. It is on the other end - lovingly known as a tail bone!

LOL...when I first read it, I read scrotum....LOL...guess I need another glass of tea..the sun, heat and margaritas have gotten to me...BTW...you are so right!  LOL

For other uses, see Sacrum (disambiguation).
Bone: Sacrum
Sacrum, pelvic surface
Image of pelvis. Sacrum is in center.
Latin    os sacrum
Gray's    subject #24 106
MeSH    Sacrum

The sacrum is a large, triangular bone at the base of the spine and at the upper and back part of the pelvic cavity, where it is inserted like a wedge between the two hip bones. Its upper part connects with the last lumbar vertebra, and bottom part with the coccyx (tailbone). In children, it consists of usually five unfused vertebrae which begin to fuse between ages 16-18 and are usually completely fused into a single bone by age 26.

It is curved upon itself and placed obliquely (that is, tilted forward). It is kyphotic — that is, concave facing forwards. The base projects forward as the sacral promontory internally, and articulates with the last lumbar vertebra to form the prominent sacrovertebral angle. The central part is curved outward towards the posterior, allowing greater room for the pelvic cavity.

[mamacrazy30]

wow.  my last post was a mess

[tupelohoney]

Did any of you Monkeys have contact with Cindy's brother Rick when he was on various forums? I was thinking he would be a good place to start to see if Casey had this condition and had treatment for it.

I was reading things he was posting on Topix. But if Casey or Lee had some physical or mental malady I doubt if Cindy would tell anyone. She wouldn't want anyone to know her kids had problems, at least that's what I think.

I thought of that after I hit post. It would ruin her perfect world image. 

[Blink34]

Children with sagittal craniosynostosis often have emotional and social difficulties primarily due to reactions to their deformities. Note DUE to their abnormality.      So is the point being made, that if Casey has this, that could be a factor in her behavior? That could cause problems and eventually you could do something like murder? Or am I totally missing this conversation?

The social and emotional difficulties is because the child looks different.  Children are cruel to each other at the best of times.  Being called names, having no friends as you look different, being teased, singled out, last person to be picked for teams, etc....

Northern- can I ask your opinion on something that has been bugging me since Friday?

In your opinion, why do you think that the autopsy report does not disclose which "foot" was recovered. I would think it relevant given the post mortem fracture of the left tibia at the distal end? The jagged margin and difference in discoloration would make me think it happend shortly after death and prior to advanced decomp, no?
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[joesamas mama]

Children with sagittal craniosynostosis often have emotional and social difficulties primarily due to reactions to their deformities. Note DUE to their abnormality.      So is the point being made, that if Casey has this, that could be a factor in her behavior? That could cause problems and eventually you could do something like murder? Or am I totally missing this conversation?

No Rose, the way I read it is they have problems with their behavior because of the deformity. Not that it has anything to do with their brain, but with peers making fun of them because of the shape of their head. JMO JSM

I totally misunderstood this conversation, thanks. Is this very common? I never heard of this before.

It's okay No Rose. I didn't know it either. 

[mamacrazy30]

Did any of you Monkeys have contact with Cindy's brother Rick when he was on various forums? I was thinking he would be a good place to start to see if Casey had this condition and had treatment for it.

I was reading things he was posting on Topix. But if Casey or Lee had some physical or mental malady I doubt if Cindy would tell anyone. She wouldn't want anyone to know her kids had problems, at least that's what I think.

I thought of that after I hit post. It would ruin her perfect world image. 

well, she doesn't have to worry about that anymore

[Fanny Mae]

I wonder if the riots in Iran will pre-empt Whoraldo's show tonight. It seems that Fox is going by their regular schedule right now.

Prayers for the people of Iran.   

Bobo probably has had a colour coordinated hankie in his pocket for days waiting to meet the buddy.  Are you kidding me? 

If he has another green one in his pocket I'm gonna spit and start throwing things at the TV again! 

I think we determined that the slime green one meant "meet me behind the courthouse".  I lost the spreadsheet with the colour codes.

That was definitely slime green that he had on in court the last time with Casey! 

[Cappuccino]

Did any of you Monkeys have contact with Cindy's brother Rick when he was on various forums? I was thinking he would be a good place to start to see if Casey had this condition and had treatment for it.

Her mother has insisted that she has no medical history.  She even denied that Casey not graduating 1 course shy was her fault.   Personally, I think this particular slight malformation is nothing but a quantum leap to attribute to why one would be a narcissist and/or sociopath capable of killing -- I just do not see it.   My son had a slight opening, he's not only rather bright, kind, considerate & generous to a fault but a fully functioning Army med specialist.  It was found because he suffered a slight concussion, playing Ghostbusters he took a blanket over his head and rammed the porch door a bit too excited portraying one of his favorite characters.   Later on in varsity football he suffered a head on spearing (helmet to helmet) and went thru MRI's, neurological and neuropsychological testing and the slight opening was not noted.   Of course this can vary but just saying in both my experience working in the legal field or the forensic psychologist I've never ever had a case where this type of finding was correlated to why someone brought harm to another, and I do mean thousands of a variety of cases.

[Northern Rose]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I highly doubt that the premature fusing has anything whatsoever to do with COD.  There are more than one area in the skull that are left open at birth and fuse as children grow.  Caylee was three.  If her case was severe enough to have caused issues her head would have been mishappen - think shape of a light bulb with the possibility of protruding forehead.  If her case were sever you would have easily seen it in pictures. The way I read it was there were signs of this not that the skull had actually closed yet.  This to me read as if the gap was smaller than it should have been. JMO

do you know at what age it fuses?  she was almost three.

There are 5 bones in the sacrum areas of the skull and ossification does not complete until the skeleton is mature -  18 - 25 years of age.  Basically when all bone growth is complete.

thank you

my hero!  i've been waiting for someone who knew.

WAIT - at the risk of angering the just settled down natives - the sacrum IS NOT in your head. It is on the other end - lovingly known as a tail bone!

OMG you are so correct.  I was thinking septum and typed sacrum.  One is the nose the other is the arze area.  Multitasking is not working for me tonight.  I am so sorry you guys.  The rest however I stand by, skelton maturity takes place 18 - 25. 

[seemeatthebeach]

No drama queen here. I am just giving my opinion for what it is worth. 

Fanny I thought it was clear in my post, I was in no way referring to you. Actually I was defending an intelligent discussion of the topic, which is appropriate. Someone saying they have to run to detectives and potentially tesify, and not the first time, is not, imo. If you thought otherwise, please accept my apology, your a poster I deeply respect the contribution of.
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Blink - not sure if you saw, so I will respond one last time.  I am resigning from this board.  However, I never said I needed to run off and tell detectives ( I was encouraged to and felt that for the value of making sure SA was ready for that defense maybe I should, after further research. )  I never said I would need to testify - I said it is not something that I have expertise on and to the contrary would not a potential witness.  And I actually have never had words with you that I recall.  I do feel attacked by you and you came in saying that you wanted an explaination what this was all about - why not read back and see that my intent was never to BAIT anyone. 
I feel misunderstood here, so I won't be back - so have at it - slam me, use me to release aggression or just move on.
Best to you all.

It is your choice to post or not to post here at Scared Monkeys.  But this is stopping RIGHT now.  It's gone on long enough. It isn't about you or me or anyone, it's about CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY. 

AMEN!!!

[joesamas mama]

  Nite Monkeys. I am gonna have a horrible week at work. Y'all have a good evening and I hope no more monkeys leave the cage. JMO JSM

[Northern Rose]

Children with sagittal craniosynostosis often have emotional and social difficulties primarily due to reactions to their deformities. Note DUE to their abnormality.      So is the point being made, that if Casey has this, that could be a factor in her behavior? That could cause problems and eventually you could do something like murder? Or am I totally missing this conversation?

The social and emotional difficulties is because the child looks different.  Children are cruel to each other at the best of times.  Being called names, having no friends as you look different, being teased, singled out, last person to be picked for teams, etc....

Northern- can I ask your opinion on something that has been bugging me since Friday?

In your opinion, why do you think that the autopsy report does not disclose which "foot" was recovered. I would think it relevant given the post mortem fracture of the left tibia at the distal end? The jagged margin and difference in discoloration would make me think it happend shortly after death and prior to advanced decomp, no?
B

Yes those are my thoughts as well and as stated at least one thread ago the hairline fracture really bothers me.  I do not believe the fracture took place while Caylee was alive and the fracture would have been more severe (multiple fractures) as the bones dried and became more brittle.  I have spent the better part of today going over the forensics report that was released prior to map out where the bones were found (is foot in same area?) and see if somewhere there may be more clue to this as well as duct tape locations.  My first thought is that the fracture occurred as she was either trying to make Caylee fit into the hamper after full rigor had set in.  Other possibilities are a drop from a height, or banging against a solid object, or having the foot get stuck (jammed) as she was trying to lift her out of the trunk lets say and pulling her out with force.  If her feet were bound then there other possibilities.

[pinballwzrd]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

yes...I saw that...I do believe I posted about it also...did some research, but the articles were all medical terminology that I did not understand..

[TURBOTHINK]

Can someone please post the discrepancy? JSM is really needing to know what it is. TIA JSM

JSM...I am with you. I read it 3 times and for the life of me can't think what it is. Course I only have about a half of a brain cell that works on a continous basis.

Thanks Darla, I wish I knew what it was. 

It is really not a secret and I didn't mean to put you guys off so long, but we went out to dinner after I wrote that. I rarely sign off my computer, so it appears as if I am here, when I am not. Sorry.

Dr. G said all teeth were accounted for in the mandible except one tooth but separately in the report it is noted that in one of the separate brown bags there were 2 teeth and in another collection from another day they found 4 more...........  

How are all the teeth in the jaw and more teeth found nearby???????  

It made me go back to my original "question" if there was a prior child.

[tupelohoney]

Whoraldo is up next on the Caylee case.

[Fanny Mae]

Nite Monkeys. I am gonna have a horrible week at work. Y'all have a good evening and I hope no more monkeys leave the cage. JMO JSM

Nite JSM & Josef. 

[Cappuccino]

Whoraldo is up next on the Caylee case.

I have my barf bag at the ready.

[bikerbev]

Good Evening Monkeys - I am in the previous cage catching up but I have wondered about the diary entry and if it is an entry from 03 could the Slore be referring to her having had an abortion?  "I hope the end justifies the means....."  and that might shed some light on why Sindy said while on the phone with 911 "I am not losing another one?"  Just a thought. 

JSM you are a hoot - you have your own thread - I look forward to reading there in a bit. 

I have never heard Cindy say that, although everyone has said she did.  I hate the A's....could someone tell me where that 911 tape is at so I can hear Cindy's big mouth?  Was it on the 911 tape when she was sitting at the closed substation or the one she called from home or what?  Thanks.

[trimmonthelake]

Nite Monkeys. I am gonna have a horrible week at work. Y'all have a good evening and I hope no more monkeys leave the cage. JMO JSM

'Nite JSM.If you talk to Boo,tell her I am thinking about her. 
Kiss Joseff.

Justice For Caylee. 

[Cappuccino]

Nite Monkeys. I am gonna have a horrible week at work. Y'all have a good evening and I hope no more monkeys leave the cage. JMO JSM

Sleep tight JSM