Caylee Marie Anthony #139 6/21/09 - 6/24/09

[Northern Rose]

Good Evening Monkeys - I am in the previous cage catching up but I have wondered about the diary entry and if it is an entry from 03 could the Slore be referring to her having had an abortion?  "I hope the end justifies the means....."  and that might shed some light on why Sindy said while on the phone with 911 "I am not losing another one?"  Just a thought. 

JSM you are a hoot - you have your own thread - I look forward to reading there in a bit. 

ok, i'm gonna do math here..if casey is 23 in 09 then she would have been 17 at the time.  wouldn't she need cyn's permission?  and if indeed thats what she's talking about, then why not do the same while preggers with Caylee.  she was of age and if she hadn't wanted her (kiomarie statement) why not just do it?  she didn't need permission and nobody had to know.

this was an initial thought of mine when the Dairy first came about- i did research Florida Abortion Laws- under 18 must have parental signatures-  but, this has never stopped IT from forging signatures before.  If this diary is truly important, I am confident they will get someone to date the ink, and hand writting if needed

lets not forget there was no baby for the first 7 months - it was a tumor.

[Western Observr]

I am so tempted to email Whoraldo and just laugh at his panel of 'experts'.
Is that really the best Fox can do?
The Badens aren't even there to talk about Casey- they just want to promote the book.
I'm sorry but everytime someone addresses LKB I expect her to respond ...."Are you talking to Moi"?

[Blumonkey]

Wow, I take a nap and all the good discussion starts. I am not a neurologist but I have cared  for many infants who have had craniosynostosis in the Peds ICU. They are usually caught between 4 and 8 months and while the brain is growing. Parents are told to expect a perfectly normal course of growth and development. We had one neuro doc who told them" in time their body will grow into their head." There are 5 sutures in the cranium. Sutures are not bone but rather the fiber-like material that hold the bony plates together. Only one was found to be" in the beginning stages of premature synostosis." Surgery is not done in this case due to the lack of symptomology. We know Caylee was developing normally. She could sing "you are my sunshine" and read "supper time for Freeda Fuzzypaws." The only reason this was found was the fact that she was skeletonized.(I hate to say that.) The pictures you see on the net of these children with deformities are
either happen in utero or have not had medical treatment early.
How will the defense use this ? I have a theory but don't want to bore you with an anatomy discourse. 

[Fanny Mae]

Good Evening Monkeys - I am in the previous cage catching up but I have wondered about the diary entry and if it is an entry from 03 could the Slore be referring to her having had an abortion?  "I hope the end justifies the means....."  and that might shed some light on why Sindy said while on the phone with 911 "I am not losing another one?"  Just a thought. 

JSM you are a hoot - you have your own thread - I look forward to reading there in a bit. 

ok, i'm gonna do math here..if casey is 23 in 09 then she would have been 17 at the time.  wouldn't she need cyn's permission?  and if indeed thats what she's talking about, then why not do the same while preggers with Caylee.  she was of age and if she hadn't wanted her (kiomarie statement) why not just do it?  she didn't need permission and nobody had to know.

this was an initial thought of mine when the Dairy first came about- i did research Florida Abortion Laws- under 18 must have parental signatures-  but, this has never stopped IT from forging signatures before.  If this diary is truly important, I am confident they will get someone to date the ink, and hand writting if needed

That was why I was wondering why it was in the hands of an attorney. I would have thought that would have been done.

BTW, Did you see my apology for using your links and not giving you credit. I'm sorry!! Please forgive me for being a *umb monkey! 

[Northern Rose]

Is it just me or does LKB look like she has been seeing a makeover team?

If she has, she should ask for her money back 

LOL

[Western Observr]

LKB aka Swine UGH!   Here comes the bullsnit, get the shovels!

I adore Judge Seidlin, I think he is a hoot.

I think he is an idiot, FIRST CLASS......Wasn't he the one caught smoking pot in the park?..........no offense to you.

Im not talking about him on the bench per se, I meant his sense of humor.   Yes, he was caught with the wacky tabacky in a park.

Really?  I missed that detail.
Why is he not in jail? 

[Western Observr]

Wow, I take a nap and all the good discussion starts. I am not a neurologist but I have cared  for many infants who have had craniosynostosis in the Peds ICU. They are usually caught between 4 and 8 months and while the brain is growing. Parents are told to expect a perfectly normal course of growth and development. We had one neuro doc who told them" in time their body will grow into their head." There are 5 sutures in the cranium. Sutures are not bone but rather the fiber-like material that hold the bony plates together. Only one was found to be" in the beginning stages of premature synostosis." Surgery is not done in this case due to the lack of symptomology. We know Caylee was developing normally. She could sing "you are my sunshine" and read "supper time for Freeda Fuzzypaws." The only reason this was found was the fact that she was skeletonized.(I hate to say that.) The pictures you see on the net of these children with deformities are
either happen in utero or have not had medical treatment early.
How will the defense use this ? I have a theory but don't want to bore you with an anatomy discourse. 

I am a Neurosurgical RN and I agree.
When you examine bodies you find a lot of abnormalities or anomalies.  They do not necessarily mean a thing unless they can be correlated with symptoms and history.

[Fanny Mae]

Oh Gawd! WonderWoman is singing, and Geraldo is showing himself in bed this morning with his hair standing up and his daughter telling him Happy Father's Day. A commercial just cut him off and the first thing you see was a swarm of Cockroaches.....

Pretty much describes some of the guests and himself on the show tonight!!!  OUTGOING!!!!!   

[Cappuccino]

I am so tempted to email Whoraldo and just laugh at his panel of 'experts'.
Is that really the best Fox can do?
The Badens aren't even there to talk about Casey- they just want to promote the book.
I'm sorry but everytime someone addresses LKB I expect her to respond ...."Are you talking to Moi"?

Bahahaa



You gave me a high note to say nite nite, I'm way overdue to put my tootsies up for a break, I might check in before hitting the fluffies.

[Northern Rose]

Still listening to the A's on LKL from 5/13 re whether Brad has the diary... (phone interruption, sorry)...

Oh Desi, Don't put yourself throught a rerun of LKL. I will defer to your saying it was Conman and the journal! 

But since you are in the middle of it, chuckling as I say this, "Conman" stated in court to the judge that the Anthonys only went on interviews to discuss their foundation - just the one you are watching alone that is far from what happened, there was a minute at best at the end...just wanted to point that out again because he boldface lied!!

Did LKL not ask Conway if he had turned over the journal to LE and he said that if they asked he would?  At which point Cindy did her bobblehead routine , grabbed his arm with a WTH are you talking about and they cut to commercial.  I may just have to go check out the youtube, but I was sure that Cindy had an issue when Conway was talking about the journal.

[Desdemona]

Found it.  Brad has the diary.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0905/13/lkl.01.html
KING: The key evidence. Prosecutors say they have a diary entry allegedly made by Casey days after Caylee's death. It's dated June 21st. And Casey allegedly writes, I have no regrets, just a bit worried. I completely trust my own judgment. I know I made the right decision. I just hope the end justifies the means.

She also allegedly writes, "this is the happiest that I've been in a very long time."

That's not saying anything specific, but generally it does add to the question.

C. ANTHONY: One thing that people -- you know, that went out there and that was clarified. That was written in 2005 before Caylee was even born. We have the diary. Brad has the diary --

KING: Help me here, Brad, because that's supposed to be key evidence here.

CONWAY: Larry, I've got custody of that diary. That was written in 2003, June 21st, two years before Caylee was even born.

KING: Who introduced it? Who brought this to the public?

CONWAY: That was disclosed along with the state's discovery.

KING: Why would the prosecutor issue something that was two years before the baby was born?

CONWAY: Because it was released with the discovery.

C. ANTHONY: No, it wasn't, Brad. It wasn't. Let me explain. The prosecutor didn't have that diary, didn't look at the diary. We had it. Someone at the Sheriff's department took a picture of the diary while they were in our house. We have possession of the diary. And leaked it to the media, and the media ran with it.

And then, a few weeks later, Brad showed the state's attorney's office the diary. They don't want it, because it's not evidence.

KING: Can for forensics authorize the date?

CONWAY: Sure, absolutely.

KING: Will you turn it over to a forensic expert?

CONWAY: Absolutely. It's in my state of keeping as an officer of the court. If the defense wants it, it's theirs.

[Fanny Mae]

LKB aka Swine UGH!   Here comes the bullsnit, get the shovels!

I adore Judge Seidlin, I think he is a hoot.

I think he is an idiot, FIRST CLASS......Wasn't he the one caught smoking pot in the park?..........no offense to you.

Im not talking about him on the bench per se, I meant his sense of humor.   Yes, he was caught with the wacky tabacky in a park.

Really?  I missed that detail.
Why is he not in jail? 

He cried his way out of it. 

[tupelohoney]

Why couldn't an animal be the cause of teeth found elsewhere? Once the flesh was gone, there could have been access for a tongue to work teeth loose, or a small animal .Yes/No.  Educate me, please.

[always 1]

Is this similiar to the defect (sorry if that is not a good word) to the holes in the roof of the mouth not closing?  Or the tiny one in your neck? By the way, really impressed with the converstion today!!!

[Northern Rose]

Wow, I take a nap and all the good discussion starts. I am not a neurologist but I have cared  for many infants who have had craniosynostosis in the Peds ICU. They are usually caught between 4 and 8 months and while the brain is growing. Parents are told to expect a perfectly normal course of growth and development. We had one neuro doc who told them" in time their body will grow into their head." There are 5 sutures in the cranium. Sutures are not bone but rather the fiber-like material that hold the bony plates together. Only one was found to be" in the beginning stages of premature synostosis." Surgery is not done in this case due to the lack of symptomology. We know Caylee was developing normally. She could sing "you are my sunshine" and read "supper time for Freeda Fuzzypaws." The only reason this was found was the fact that she was skeletonized.(I hate to say that.) The pictures you see on the net of these children with deformities are
either happen in utero or have not had medical treatment early.
How will the defense use this ? I have a theory but don't want to bore you with an anatomy discourse. 

I am a Neurosurgical RN and I agree.
When you examine bodies you find a lot of abnormalities or anomalies.  They do not necessarily mean a thing unless they can be correlated with symptoms and history.

Exactly.  This was noted as they discovered it during autopsy and it may have only been a few mm deviation from normal.

[Blumonkey]

Northern- can I ask your opinion on something that has been bugging me since Friday?

In your opinion, why do you think that the autopsy report does not disclose which "foot" was recovered. I would think it relevant given the post mortem fracture of the left tibia at the distal end? The jagged margin and difference in discoloration would make me think it happend shortly after death and prior to advanced decomp, no?
B

Yes those are my thoughts as well and as stated at least one thread ago the hairline fracture really bothers me.  I do not believe the fracture took place while Caylee was alive and the fracture would have been more severe (multiple fractures) as the bones dried and became more brittle.  I have spent the better part of today going over the forensics report that was released prior to map out where the bones were found (is foot in same area?) and see if somewhere there may be more clue to this as well as duct tape locations.  My first thought is that the fracture occurred as she was either trying to make Caylee fit into the hamper after full rigor had set in.  Other possibilities are a drop from a height, or banging against a solid object, or having the foot get stuck (jammed) as she was trying to lift her out of the trunk lets say and pulling her out with force.  If her feet were bound then there other possibilities.

So that fracture is not the result of force from postmortem animal chewing?  (It is so hard to think about and write...poor baby.)  Don't recall exactly, but I recall reading in one report that at least one bone end was fractured due to animal activity.  Could that be the fracture we're talking about here?  Or was that something else?

Still listening to the A's on LKL from 5/13 re whether Brad has the diary... (phone interruption, sorry)...

No, the animal activity is quantified specifically, this is a straight up post mortem fracture

I think this happened when the body was moved.

[Blumonkey]

Wow, I take a nap and all the good discussion starts. I am not a neurologist but I have cared  for many infants who have had craniosynostosis in the Peds ICU. They are usually caught between 4 and 8 months and while the brain is growing. Parents are told to expect a perfectly normal course of growth and development. We had one neuro doc who told them" in time their body will grow into their head." There are 5 sutures in the cranium. Sutures are not bone but rather the fiber-like material that hold the bony plates together. Only one was found to be" in the beginning stages of premature synostosis." Surgery is not done in this case due to the lack of symptomology. We know Caylee was developing normally. She could sing "you are my sunshine" and read "supper time for Freeda Fuzzypaws." The only reason this was found was the fact that she was skeletonized.(I hate to say that.) The pictures you see on the net of these children with deformities are
either happen in utero or have not had medical treatment early.
How will the defense use this ? I have a theory but don't want to bore you with an anatomy discourse. 

I am a Neurosurgical RN and I agree.
When you examine bodies you find a lot of abnormalities or anomalies.  They do not necessarily mean a thing unless they can be correlated with symptoms and history.

Thanks,WO.  Most of the time I feel like I am talking to myself.

[cecilita]

hello monkeys
warning!!! it is gross!!!
long time ago my grandma told me that when she was a kid (looong time ago) she went to a funeral and she saw the body sitting and trow up, sorry it is gross, but she told me that long time ago the bodies did not have the same treatment(chemicals) that the bodies have now before funeral. Can be possible that Casey saw caylee doing that and duct taped her to be sure will not happen again...? sorry guys

[tupelohoney]

Northern- can I ask your opinion on something that has been bugging me since Friday?

In your opinion, why do you think that the autopsy report does not disclose which "foot" was recovered. I would think it relevant given the post mortem fracture of the left tibia at the distal end? The jagged margin and difference in discoloration would make me think it happend shortly after death and prior to advanced decomp, no?
B

Yes those are my thoughts as well and as stated at least one thread ago the hairline fracture really bothers me.  I do not believe the fracture took place while Caylee was alive and the fracture would have been more severe (multiple fractures) as the bones dried and became more brittle.  I have spent the better part of today going over the forensics report that was released prior to map out where the bones were found (is foot in same area?) and see if somewhere there may be more clue to this as well as duct tape locations.  My first thought is that the fracture occurred as she was either trying to make Caylee fit into the hamper after full rigor had set in.  Other possibilities are a drop from a height, or banging against a solid object, or having the foot get stuck (jammed) as she was trying to lift her out of the trunk lets say and pulling her out with force.  If her feet were bound then there other possibilities.

So that fracture is not the result of force from postmortem animal chewing?  (It is so hard to think about and write...poor baby.)  Don't recall exactly, but I recall reading in one report that at least one bone end was fractured due to animal activity.  Could that be the fracture we're talking about here?  Or was that something else?

Still listening to the A's on LKL from 5/13 re whether Brad has the diary... (phone interruption, sorry)...

No, the animal activity is quantified specifically, this is a straight up post mortem fracture

I think this happened when the body was moved.

Like maybe when she crammed her into the laundry basket, the blankity blank blank skank.

[Puzzler]

LKB aka Swine UGH!   Here comes the bullsnit, get the shovels!

I adore Judge Seidlin, I think he is a hoot.

I think he is an idiot, FIRST CLASS......Wasn't he the one caught smoking pot in the park?..........no offense to you.

Im not talking about him on the bench per se, I meant his sense of humor.   Yes, he was caught with the wacky tabacky in a park.

I believe it was Judge Korda (not Seidlin)

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/anna-nicole-smith-custody-case-judge-lawrence-korda-busted-for-pot-1011974.php