Caylee Marie Anthony #139 6/21/09 - 6/24/09

[flossy]

I've been looking at the phone records/cell tower pings from this site  http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=7

It appears that Cindy called Casey from home at 5:06 pm and there was a little over 3 min. call. Most likely Cindy said come home we need to talk.

The next time Casey used her phone was at 7:06 pm to text Tony.

So I am assuming that that was the time frame that Casey and Cindy had their altercation.

From 7:06 pm Casey was on the phone all night with Tony.

From what I can tell Casey was in the area of her home on 6/16 around 1:00 and shortly after 4:00.  There was a flurry of calls shortly after 4:00 also.

Casey may have smothered Caylee with the duct tape the evening of the 15, possibly within that 2 hour window frame between 5 and 7 pm.

Or she may have killed her at the house on the 16th between 1:00 and 1:44 as there is a 44 minute lapse in phone activity after she made a call at 1:00. I'm leaning towards this as the day, place and time of death, due to the access of duct tape/trash bags from the house.     (Yes I have changed my mind for the last time as far as the duct tape being the cause of death and not to prevent purge fluids!)   Either way, Caylee was bagged on the 16th and placed in the trunk.

Then Brian Burner loans a shovel and Casey's car is backed into the garage on the 18/19th. This is when I think that Caylee was again bagged and placed in the laundry hamper. This also fits with the 2.6 days of decomposition in her trunk. I believe she dumped Caylee's body shortly after this. I don't think Caylee was in the trunk when George wanted to get into the trunk that day of the 24th. I think Casey was trying to keep him from the smell.

Of course, this is just my thoughts and opinions.

I'm glad you used that spread sheet. I had to look for two days straight to find it again.

I agree with everything except the time of death. I think Casey was in a rage the night before on the 15th. This seems more like a rage killing to me, and that would have been the time for it, when her adrenalin was really flowing. jmo

I couldn't agree with you more, Fanny Mae. I've thought that since day one.  I don't buy for a second that Georgie saw them on the morning of the 16th - and not just because there's no way in HELL he could remember in such detail exactly what each were wearing and carrying. B freaking S!!

[Cappuccino]

Not sure if this has been posted yet

State Wants To Photo Anthony's Tattoo
Prosecution Requests Trial Within 60 Days In Check Fraud Case

POSTED: Monday, June 22, 2009
UPDATED: 12:58 pm EDT June 22, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The state attorney's office has filed motions in two different cases against Casey Anthony, including a request to photograph one her tattoos from jail.

VIDEO: Motions Filed

In motions filed on Monday, the prosecution requested to take photographs of a tattoo on Anthony's shoulder.

Tattoo artist Danny Colomarino told investigators he gave Anthony the tattoo in early July 2008, two weeks after her daughter, Caylee Anthony, went missing.

In the other motion, prosecutors asked that a trial date be set in the check fraud case against Anthony.

Last fall, Anthony's defense asked that the check fraud trial be delayed so they could focus on the murder charges against Anthony, but in a motion filed on Friday, the prosecution asked that the trial be set for a date within the next 60 days.

The check fraud charges against Anthony stem from accusations from former friend Amy Huizenga that Anthony made several purchases at Target using Huizenga's checks.

Anthony allegedly purchased the white sunglasses she was photographed wearing last summer, as well as the blue hooded sweater she was wearing when she was arrested in July 2008 using Huizenga's checks.

Anthony, 23, is being held at the Orange County Jail on first-degree murder charges in the death of her daughter. Caylee was 2 when she was reported missing in July. Caylee's body was found in a wooded area near the Anthony family home in December.

[Fanny Mae]

Sorry for the time delay in responding to you, life called! 

Yeah, you could be right, the evening of the 15th due to her rage. She also could have raged on the 16th. From the jailhouse video, it doesn't seem to take a lot to get her angry when confronted with something she does not want to face. Like a child crying for her nana, possibly.  I went with the 16th because of the duct taping. Was she carrying around a roll in her car, and if so for what purpose? If it was Amy's roll, was it the same brand as George carried that matched what was on the skull? Just askin'. 

It is a possibility that Skanky had the tape in her car for the anything but clothes party, but since Amy was in theatrics, maybe her's worked better for their costumes that night, (may have been a different color or different type) so they used Amy's instead. Just conjecture on my part. Or, maybe Casey had thought about doing this to Caylee for a while, maybe even doing it to her before in a lesser degree when she was "acting up." All conjecture on my part.

Like I said, I try to think outside of the box for what might come. 

[tupelohoney]

From what I have read so far on emotional incest, it usually occurs between opposite sexes, like mother/son or father/daughter. However, with Cindy being such a control freak she could have don this with both Casey and Lee.

[Northern Rose]

I've been looking at the phone records/cell tower pings from this site  http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=7

It appears that Cindy called Casey from home at 5:06 pm and there was a little over 3 min. call. Most likely Cindy said come home we need to talk.

The next time Casey used her phone was at 7:06 pm to text Tony.

So I am assuming that that was the time frame that Casey and Cindy had their altercation.

From 7:06 pm Casey was on the phone all night with Tony.

From what I can tell Casey was in the area of her home on 6/16 around 1:00 and shortly after 4:00.  There was a flurry of calls shortly after 4:00 also.

Casey may have smothered Caylee with the duct tape the evening of the 15, possibly within that 2 hour window frame between 5 and 7 pm.

Or she may have killed her at the house on the 16th between 1:00 and 1:44 as there is a 44 minute lapse in phone activity after she made a call at 1:00. I'm leaning towards this as the day, place and time of death, due to the access of duct tape/trash bags from the house.     (Yes I have changed my mind for the last time as far as the duct tape being the cause of death and not to prevent purge fluids!)   Either way, Caylee was bagged on the 16th and placed in the trunk.

Then Brian Burner loans a shovel and Casey's car is backed into the garage on the 18/19th. This is when I think that Caylee was again bagged and placed in the laundry hamper. This also fits with the 2.6 days of decomposition in her trunk. I believe she dumped Caylee's body shortly after this. I don't think Caylee was in the trunk when George wanted to get into the trunk that day of the 24th. I think Casey was trying to keep him from the smell.

Of course, this is just my thoughts and opinions.

I'm glad you used that spread sheet. I had to look for two days straight to find it again.

I agree with everything except the time of death. I think Casey was in a rage the night before on the 15th. This seems more like a rage killing to me, and that would have been the time for it, when her adrenalin was really flowing. jmo

I couldn't agree with you more, Fanny Mae. I've thought that since day one.  I don't buy for a second that Georgie saw them on the morning of the 16th - and not just because there's no way in HELL he could remember in such detail exactly what each were wearing and carrying. B freaking S!!

I truly believe he has no idea when he last saw Caylee and that is eating him alive.  For all we know he did see Casey carring out something out of the corner of his eye while watching his cooking show that day wrapped in a blanket and it may have been a dead Caylee.

Flossy I ran across this and thought of your avi.  It made me laugh.

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm liking the timing of the state with the check fraud trial, interesting development I think.

[no rose colored glasses]

From what I have read so far on emotional incest, it usually occurs between opposite sexes, like mother/son or father/daughter. However, with Cindy being such a control freak she could have don this with both Casey and Lee.

Very possible

[flossy]

I truly believe he has no idea when he last saw Caylee and that is eating him alive.  For all we know he did see Casey carring out something out of the corner of his eye while watching his cooking show that day wrapped in a blanket and it may have been a dead Caylee.

Flossy I ran across this and thought of your avi.  It made me laugh.

Oooh, he's kinda cute!   

[Fanny Mae]

I'm liking the timing of the state with the check fraud trial, interesting development I think.

I am too! I would love for her to be a convicted felon before the Murder One trial even starts.   

[karenmamo]

Good Evening Monkeys - I am in the previous cage catching up but I have wondered about the diary entry and if it is an entry from 03 could the Slore be referring to her having had an abortion?  "I hope the end justifies the means....."  and that might shed some light on why Sindy said while on the phone with 911 "I am not losing another one?"  Just a thought. 

JSM you are a hoot - you have your own thread - I look forward to reading there in a bit. 

ok, i'm gonna do math here..if casey is 23 in 09 then she would have been 17 at the time.  wouldn't she need cyn's permission?  and if indeed thats what she's talking about, then why not do the same while preggers with Caylee.  she was of age and if she hadn't wanted her (kiomarie statement) why not just do it?  she didn't need permission and nobody had to know.

I too have wondered about this situation and that comment. My 'feeling' about why Caylee was not aborted early on is that kc was under such tight control via Cindy that kc made very few decisions on her own. CA may have been IN every aspect of KC's life. I read a book not long ago about emotional incest and I suspect this of Cindy and her daughter.
(I was raised by a mother who was similar to Cindy in that way) By the time most daughters are 17 they have started the process of autonomy.  I do not think kc was that free. That process needs to proceed in steps.  It seems to me that kc just took a giant leap at 22 and was in no way prepared for the consequences.
If you are familiar with covert incest, you may have read such books as Silently Seduced.(Kenneth M. Adams)
It seems quite likely to me that this was the relationship between CA and her daughter.
If this makes no sense it is because it is yet early for this old brain AND my perspective is a bit jaded due to my own upbringing.

It makes perfect sense to me, it was not in my upbringing, but I uderstand what you are saying. Actually you answered some questions for me, that has been bothering me with their relationship. The book is something I am going to look into, thanks.

...then I will bore you with more..?...(sorry if I am offending any monkey by continuing this.)
http://www.enotalone.com/article/4290.html

just some short excerpts from this site...the 10 points below are from Kenneth M. Adam's book.



 ...a parent whose love  felt more confining than freeing, more demanding than giving, more instrusive than nurturing?
 the theme is the same: a sense of violation and a boundary crossed. These violations are usually done in the name of "love" and "caring."
There is nothing loving or caring about a close parent-child relationship when it services the needs and feelings of the parent rather than the child. "Feeling close" with your parents, particularly the opposite-sex parent, is not the source of comfort the image suggests. It is a relationship in which the individual, both as a child and later as an adult, feels silently seduced by the parent. Feelings of appreciation and gratitude do not prevail in these "close relationships." Instead they are a source of confusing, progressive rage.

1. Love/Hate Relationship. One often has intense feelings of both love and hate for the opposite-sex parent. On one hand you feel special and privileged because of the relationship; on the other you frequently feel you aren't doing enough for that parent. This results in feelings of guilt which result in rage that is seldom directly expressed.

2. Emotional Distance from Same-Sex Parent. In contrast to the love / hate relationship with the opposite-sex parent, you feel abandoned by the same-sex parent. This relationship often is competitive and the parent feels like an adversary. Feeling contempt for this parent is common.

3. Guilt and Confusion over Personal Needs. You feel guilty about your needs and probably have a difficult time identifying what they are. You generally try to "be strong," caretake or always "be there" for others as a way of meeting your own needs.

4. Feelings of Inadequacy. You are likely to have chronic feelings of inadequacy and unworthiness. You believe your worth as a man or woman is determined by what you can do rather than who you are.

5. Multiple Relationships. You are likely to have been in and out of many relationships and never felt satisfied. You are always on the lookout for the perfect partner or relationship. Establishing intimacy is difficult for you.

6. Difficulty with Commitment. You generally experience ambivalence regarding commitment in relationships. You always seem to have one foot in and one foot out of the door just in case.

7. Hasty Commitments. You make a quick commitment to a relationship, then realize later it was not a good choice. You then feel too guilty to leave. Instead you try to make it right.

8. Regret over Past Relationships. You find yourself looking back at a previous relationship and wondering if it could have worked if you had stuck it out.

9. Sexual Dysfunction. You find yourself feeling sexually shut down or driven and compulsive in the pursuit of sexual highs or conquests. Sex may become addictive.

10. Compulsions/Addictions. You have other compulsions or addictions. You are driven in the area of work, success and achievement. You find yourself addicted to food. Either you compulsively overeat, starve yourself or you binge and purge.

...anything sound familiar here?
karen

[Northern Rose]

I'm liking the timing of the state with the check fraud trial, interesting development I think.

Team Bobo represents her for the DP case, she has Jonathan Kasen for the ZG case.  Who is looking after the fraud case?  I swear there has to be a shortage of lawyers in Florida these days.

We also have Judge Stan and Judge Rodriguez...do we get a new judge now too?

[Fanny Mae]

If they do go forward with the check fraud trial, I think the defense will do a plea deal on this one. They don't want to be in court before the murder trial with testimony. IMO

[cherjers]

Psychomotor seizure defense. Turbo you could be right about that. But at the same time if she was drinking heavily maybe that caused a seizure also. If that is the only seizure she has ever had, which I have no idea, maybe it was the drinking, and maybe drugs mixed with it.

There is a but to this-once the seizure was ove where the the regret-no remorse-going to block busters with tony- all the other evil things.

[Northern Rose]

I'm liking the timing of the state with the check fraud trial, interesting development I think.

I am too! I would love for her to be a convicted felon before the Murder One trial even starts.   

If she gets convicted would they not throw her into a normal jail cell now that she really has charges against her?  No more innocent until trial coddling.  Someone please tell me this could be a possibility.

[no rose colored glasses]

I'm liking the timing of the state with the check fraud trial, interesting development I think.

I am too! I would love for her to be a convicted felon before the Murder One trial even starts.   

Great move 

[cherjers]

Interesting that the defense forensics expert said that the autopsy report doesn't prove there was a murder.   OK AZZHOLE - how did Caylee die then?   Did she just go into the woods and put duct tape on herself.   I hate those scumbags.  I hope they all rot in hell. 
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this would be laughable if it wasnt so sad...they must think a jury is stupid...the one thing that always leaves an impression on jurors is that Casey was the last one to see Caylee alive, plus all the lies...please...there is no other person who killed Caylee

It's so obvious to us all, and I'm praying that EACH jury member will have a good dose of common sense. It only takes one to be in left field somewhere.

My bet is that the defense will spend a tremendous amount of time, money, and effort in selecting a jury. That effort will make or break everything, IMO. I keep remembering OJ, and his verdict was a done deal from the point a jury was selected. The defense knew their strategy, and they successfully looked for jurors who would buy it. I wonder what profile they are looking for?

They'll do study groups, I'm sure of that!

Bet on it, the jury consultants will have a field day. These high profile cases are nothing short of a travesty of justice to me. This case has spun so out of control, good luck reeling it in. You need one juror with an agenda, and all the money, hours, extensive work means nothing. I've really wondered about justice, many times the victim never gets justice, because of all this bs, that I don't believe for a second was ever intended to be like. The system needs a good revamping, and lets start with jury instructions, please make it understandable to the average person, that might help some.

Exactly!

Or, God forbid, a Juror who wants to write a book and get his share of notoriety..

they need O.j jury

[Fanny Mae]

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...then I will bore you with more..?...(sorry if I am offending any monkey by continuing this.)
http://www.enotalone.com/article/4290.html

just some short excerpts from this site...the 10 points below are from Kenneth M. Adam's book.

Karen, no! Not offensive at all. It is very interesting and sounds very, very familiar. Thanks!

[no rose colored glasses]

karenmamo  Thanks, I find this fascinating, and some of the items you listed fit perfectly with Cindy and Casey.

[Northern Rose]

If they do go forward with the check fraud trial, I think the defense will do a plea deal on this one. They don't want to be in court before the murder trial with testimony. IMO

I disagree.   She would not stop the ZG trial by saying that this was not THE ZG and counter sued.  She has been reported to be reading law books while behind bars.  I cannot see her pleaing to anything.  She will probably counter sue Amy for defamation or something just as stupid.

[Sassycat]

If they do go forward with the check fraud trial, I think the defense will do a plea deal on this one. They don't want to be in court before the murder trial with testimony. IMO

Agree.  But if they plea, will she get the max sentence?   I'd like to see her get a lot of years for the fraud charges - just in case she somehow gets acquitted of the murder charge.