Caylee Marie Anthony #139 6/21/09 - 6/24/09

[Fanny Mae]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

[Jesse]

Oh for the love of Pete...we are arm chair investigators, thats all. We all have our theories and ideas, thats what makes this blog great. But to say you have information that could change the DP, i think is a little irresponsible since once you post something like that here, it will be all over, on other blogs on the news, online. Clearly you arent going to share it with us here in the cage...so why continue to talk about it.

[mamacrazy30]

sheesh...where were all these folks 2 hours ago?

[Kat_Gram]

I would not discount or dismiss ANJ's " finding " out of hand. It has to be looked at carefully and how to proceed also looked at carefully.
Sometimes, that is the way it happens. Some small overlooked detail could be the detail that is the case breaker or case maker. For this case, the devil is in the details.
Do it in word like you would do a project. Revise, edit and go back to the original sources. Get all the unecessary words out of your writing. Klaasend says she is busy today, the trial doesn't start this week. There is time to do it up properly. And don't tell US, ok ? Not on a public board.

[Fanny Mae]

Did it have something to do with the autopsy info? I am suspecting where you are going.

Did you also find the discrepancy I found in the autopsy?

It wasn't a discrepancy that I was talking about.

Are you talking about the synostosis or whatever it is called?

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

[Fanny Mae]

Did it have something to do with the autopsy info? I am suspecting where you are going.

Did you also find the discrepancy I found in the autopsy?

It wasn't a discrepancy that I was talking about.

Are you talking about the synostosis or whatever it is called?

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

And I know no more about it than the rest of you do. I am sharing what I thought when ANJ said it was medical.  JMO

[mamacrazy30]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

[joesamas mama]

Did it have something to do with the autopsy info? I am suspecting where you are going.

Did you also find the discrepancy I found in the autopsy?

It wasn't a discrepancy that I was talking about.

Are you talking about the synostosis or whatever it is called?

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

I don't have the autopsy report handy. Can you please send me the link Fanny. i just posted on my new blog. heeheehee

[Miki Monkey]

Did it have something to do with the autopsy info? I am suspecting where you are going.

Did you also find the discrepancy I found in the autopsy?

It wasn't a discrepancy that I was talking about.

Are you talking about the synostosis or whatever it is called?

What about it being hereditary in some cases?

[Fanny Mae]

Did it have something to do with the autopsy info? I am suspecting where you are going.

Did you also find the discrepancy I found in the autopsy?

It wasn't a discrepancy that I was talking about.

Are you talking about the synostosis or whatever it is called?

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

I don't have the autopsy report handy. Can you please send me the link Fanny. i just posted on my new blog. heeheehee

http://www.wftv.com/news/19789313/detail.html

[Blink34]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
B

[Fanny Mae]

Did it have something to do with the autopsy info? I am suspecting where you are going.

Did you also find the discrepancy I found in the autopsy?

It wasn't a discrepancy that I was talking about.

Are you talking about the synostosis or whatever it is called?

What about it being hereditary in some cases?

Well, possibly what would happen if it goes untreated. But I think this has probably been well investigated. I think you could be an adult with the problem. JMO

[joesamas mama]

Did it have something to do with the autopsy info? I am suspecting where you are going.

Did you also find the discrepancy I found in the autopsy?

It wasn't a discrepancy that I was talking about.

Are you talking about the synostosis or whatever it is called?

Yes, that is what I was referring to.

I don't have the autopsy report handy. Can you please send me the link Fanny. i just posted on my new blog. heeheehee

http://www.wftv.com/news/19789313/detail.html

THanks

[Fanny Mae]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
B

Blink, I was not the one who said discrepancy. I said I had an idea where ANJ might have been going. I have not dug into the medical stuff too deeply about it. But I think it is possible that you could grow to adulthood with the problem. I don't know for sure. I was just throwing out something there that could be considered a medical situation. JMO

[mamacrazy30]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
B

if its mostly hereditary that could from anywhere in the family...unless the kicker is that it mostly hereditary and nobody in the family had it...maybe it was caused by other means?  maybe casey had been abusing Caylee since she was a baby?  but not knowing the father puts a snag in the thing.

[Fanny Mae]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
B

Blink, I was not the one who said discrepancy. I said I had an idea where ANJ might have been going. I have not dug into the medical stuff too deeply about it. But I think it is possible that you could grow to adulthood with the problem. I don't know for sure. I was just throwing out something there that could be considered a medical situation. JMO

I am thinking more Casey than Caylee. I am only talking about what has already been put on the thread. My opinion is that a person could grow to adulthood with this problem. JMO

[Blink34]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
B

Blink, I was not the one who said discrepancy. I said I had an idea where ANJ might have been going. I have not dug into the medical stuff too deeply about it. But I think it is possible that you could grow to adulthood with the problem. I don't know for sure. I was just throwing out something there that could be considered a medical situation. JMO

Nope, agreed, there is no way to tell whether or not it would become an issue at this juncture, but most cases are diagnosed at infancy, sometimes shortly after birth. I am not being glib in any way, but I drove Klaas nuts with this all morning. We were 3D modeling and all. There is many, many variations of this, several different calvarium planes and suture sites where this can occur.

[Cappuccino]

I'm back from shopping & all caught up.   From what Im reading ANJ is stating that what she has been looking into may be an "excuse" or explanation as to what contributed to Casey murdering Caylee to save her from the DP, not guilt or innocence.   If Im correct Im reading it has something to do with a medical reason.   So law enforcement has nothing to do with what she is discussing.

Im inclined to say that since it is not a question of Casey's guilt, why hand the defense yet another avenue to save this murdering wench?  The reason I can say that comfortably is because Casey has no medical history of mental illness, tumor etc wherever this is going that she had any care for whatsoever.  If you examine her behavior even years before the crime she was always self-absorbed, combative, rebellious with the tendency to pathologically lie & then play the victim which esculated over time.   Some of that behavior is typical of a narcissistic sociopath & a portion of it is living in her family environment with the individual dynamics we have witnessed for ourselves, well beyond the word dysfunctional that is for certain.  Its not postpartum either with the time lapse, nope not almost 3 years later because its far from the norm & if not unheard of at least highly unlikely.   Keep in mind she has been thoroughly examined upon incarceration with a battery of tests and continues to be monitored by physicians, psychologists, etc.   I have to say that one also has to look towards how aware she was and still is of her surroundings & how actively she not only tried to avoid detection but in a premeditated fashion attempted to pin this heinous crime on someone else.   She is also very actively participating in her defense, even to the point that she told her parents flat out that she had to be concerned for herself.

I am offering no judgment as to whether a theory or medical study should or should not be shared, that is entirely up to an individual.     If I felt there was merit to a situation that someone did something diabolic but was incapacited which would hold up both by legal and medical standard, I honestly would have to consider it fully & find several experts that could give reference of its validity & seek a confirmed diagnose of the individual.    All I can offer is why I personally feel that in her case what she did was so heinous & how she tried to cover it up indicates that she was hardly suffering some sort of psychosis or break, too much required thinking.   It is amazing she can live with herself much less us contemplate her fate but then again that is what violent sociopaths do...I think about Caylee's fate & that poor babygirl suffered greatly.   Her last minutes alive on earth were sheer hell & staring right into her mother's face no doubt.   In closing, whether she gets the DP or LWOP is of little difference to me because either way she will never see the light of day, one way she will die isolated a bit faster as opposed to slower...actually in most states these days getting the DP is more symbolic than anything else because it takes so dang long to carry it out & many times its spared after exhaustive appeals.   I just want justice for Caylee.    ANJ, that's my two cents for what it is worth.

[mamacrazy30]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
B

Blink, I was not the one who said discrepancy. I said I had an idea where ANJ might have been going. I have not dug into the medical stuff too deeply about it. But I think it is possible that you could grow to adulthood with the problem. I don't know for sure. I was just throwing out something there that could be considered a medical situation. JMO

I am thinking more Casey than Caylee. I am only talking about what has already been put on the thread. My opinion is that a person could grow to adulthood with this problem. JMO

like her skull was putting pressure on her brain and that was making her crazy?  if so, then why just crazy like a fox?

[Fanny Mae]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
B

Blink, I was not the one who said discrepancy. I said I had an idea where ANJ might have been going. I have not dug into the medical stuff too deeply about it. But I think it is possible that you could grow to adulthood with the problem. I don't know for sure. I was just throwing out something there that could be considered a medical situation. JMO

Nope, agreed, there is no way to tell whether or not it would become an issue at this juncture, but most cases are diagnosed at infancy, sometimes shortly after birth. I am not being glib in any way, but I drove Klaas nuts with this all morning. We were 3D modeling and all. There is many, many variations of this, several different calvarium planes and suture sites where this can occur.

But did you look at the effect it might have on a persons thinking if they grew to adulthood with no diagnosis or detection?