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« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2009, 10:00:34 PM »

here she is in rochester washington

Name: Marylin E Gomes
Address: 8710 SW 180th WY, Rochester, Washington 98579-0301 (1993)

the 1934?

no, this is timothy's mother.  for a fact.  he and others of the same family are also listed at this address, so this is her. 
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« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2009, 10:01:57 PM »

for my own benefit
the gals married lawless
only tieken divorced lawless
m lawless married gomes...

so short is still married to lawless and when tieken divorce lawless she kept the name.

so good by m. tieken and m. short.
huhh..
and for some reason the boys think mom maiden name is lawless.
sheesh..
at this point it could have been...
maybe we can't find g lawless for a reason..maybe he was married to whoever this lady could be, had children with her, but was also married to m, tieken AND m. short...
my theory for the night is: he killed them both and to hide it had ??mystery woman pose as both...
that was lame and i'm sorry DD...i've got to hang it up for the night my brain is FRIED!
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« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2009, 10:02:37 PM »

I wonder if there is anything in old news articles about her.  maybe they got arrested or something. 

we don't find manuel gomes listed at any of the addresses.  where did he go? 

maybe she is a black widow?   
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« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2009, 10:03:40 PM »

for my own benefit
the gals married lawless
only tieken divorced lawless
m lawless married gomes...

so short is still married to lawless and when tieken divorce lawless she kept the name.

so good by m. tieken and m. short.
huhh..
and for some reason the boys think mom maiden name is lawless.
sheesh..
at this point it could have been...
maybe we can't find g lawless for a reason..maybe he was married to whoever this lady could be, had children with her, but was also married to m, tieken AND m. short...
my theory for the night is: he killed them both and to hide it had ??mystery woman pose as both...
that was lame and i'm sorry DD...i've got to hang it up for the night my brain is FRIED!

at the same time I am posting she killed both husbands LOL
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« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2009, 10:08:39 PM »

hmmm what if she married under her name of tieken, got the copy, changed the name on it to short, then took it to have it recorded, but whoever married them also recorded the one with the right name? 

she might not have ever wanted to marry gary d lawless, she just wanted her name changed so no one would know who she really was.  was she hiding from the law?  then she gets the divorce or he does? 

or like you said, she never was marylin tieken.  maybe she was a short, used the tieken name and gary got a divorce saying that was not her right name etc?

oh gee who knows  Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2009, 10:10:53 PM »

no, that can't be right, her boys birth records say mother nee name is tieken, so that must be her.  so did she change the name on the marriage record then go record it under the phoney name of short so no one could trace her back to tieken?  how weird to do it that way though, but back then you could probably get away with it.
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« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2009, 10:30:30 PM »

Was Gary lawless born in the USA? Could it have been for citizenship? (explaining the one month marriage)

Wasn't it popular to marry someone who you where in crimes with because a wife couldn't testify against a husband?

Maybe Gary lawless is this gomes guy? I wish we could find pictures

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« Reply #67 on: June 23, 2009, 11:49:12 PM »

Was Gary lawless born in the USA? Could it have been for citizenship? (explaining the one month marriage)

Wasn't it popular to marry someone who you where in crimes with because a wife couldn't testify against a husband?

Maybe Gary lawless is this gomes guy? I wish we could find pictures



the US census is available through 1930, those will show who is born where and where their parents are born.  but gary d lawless is listed as born after 1930 so he will not show up on the census, so we can't get records from that. 

I might go look for the lawless who ARE on the 1930 census in napa and see which ones pop up... gary d lawless might have also been there in the navy or something too and not even from california at all.

yes, there was a law they could not make you testify against your husband.  I don't know if that is in affect now, but it was then I believe.

 

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« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2009, 12:20:40 AM »

these are the lawless names I find on the census in NAPA

these are inmates of napa state hospital

1910 United States Federal Census
about Maria Cawless
Name: Maria Cawless
[Maria Lawless] 
Age in 1910: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: Ireland
Relation to Head of House: Inmate 
Father's Birth Place: Ireland 
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland 
Home in 1910: Napa, Napa, California
Marital Status: Married 
Race: White
Gender: Female 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Amo Harris 59 
Sarah Harold 48 
Rose Haberly 66 
Katie Hughes 43 
Mary Heath 64 
Hannah Haralin 62 
Rebecca Houschfeld 68 
Ami Hunt 68 
Emily Hones 53 
Anna Helling 74 
Mamie Hosking 39 
Emily S Jones 54 
Hannah Johnson 81 
Anna P Jensens 61 
Annie Johnson 53 
W S Jon 40 
Annie Johnson 58 
Lena Jacobson 70 
Alice W Kuffel 60 
Margaret Kohn 73 
Mate Ceye Kelley 56 
Anna Kinsell 64 
Emma Kricham 58 
Ann Kellay 67 
Catherine Kelly 65 
Cemas Komer 44 
Johanna Emahan 79 
Naomi M Lewis 6/12 
Bridget Owns 71 
Maria Cawless 60  (aka maria lawless)
 
 
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1900 United States Federal Census
about Maria Lawless
Name: Maria Lawless
Home in 1900: Napa, Napa, California
Age: 44
Birth Date: 1856
Birthplace: California
Race: White
Ethnicity: American 
Gender: Female 
Relationship to Head of House: Patient
Residence : Napa Township, Soscol and Coombsville Precincts (Excl. Napa City), Napa, California
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Lizzie Bohman 25 
Emilie Wuest 52 
Jennie Veidor 38 
Elfrida Tisdale 22 
Rose Thirion 45 
Wendla Thors 41 
Emma Sclinbert 42 
Mary A Russell 58 
Sarah G Preshaw 51 
Mary O Neill 39 
Allie Ogilvie 46 
Mary Olsen 46 
Anna Nesbitt 38 
Alice Messier 35 
Maggie Mc Kee 27 
Alice Ligrot 23 
Hannah Langan 67 
Ellen Laioles 68 
J F Jordan 62 
Anna Jensen 44 
Eugenie Heinrich 50 
Naomi G Huff 34 
Mary Graham 59 
Emily Earley 57 
Jane Doe UNKN 
Mary J Dillon 48 
Mary J Collins 79 
Mary Rossonette 63 
Lizzie Best 32 
Annie Murphy 64 
Naomi M Lewis UNKN 
Annie Mc Cormick 38 
Sarah J D Arcy 65 
Sarah Daley 42 
N W Spenser 50 
Hilda L Larson 28 
Mary A Binner 39 
Hattie Perrin 48 
Adelaide Murray 49 
John Norton UNKN 
Norah Shea 49 
Annie T Chase 45 
Ann Cure 40 
Elizabeth A Forrester 49 
Sophia Fisher 41 
Anne Harris 49 
Jennie Johanson 48 
W S Joy   
Hannah Johnson 71 
Ann Kelly 57 
Maria L Kelley 46 
Mary Maher 40 
Elizabeth Sanders 57 
Kate Anderson 58 
Mary A Ahern 44 
Mary Callahan 55 
Alice Quinn 52 
Margaret Reagan 45 
Jane Robertson 68 
Madeline Rodes 63 
Martha C Sullivan 58 
Catherine Ashton 58 
Amelia Arias 49 
Ellen Barry 80 
Teresa Barily 61 
Catherine J Coleman 55 
Rosana B Cadwell 71 
Mary A Cowie 75 
Margaret Conroy 65 
Julia Cleary 87 
Mary Colfer 60 
Mary Dix 47 
Henrietta Enders 43 
Honora Fanning 51 
Lena Fleishman 41 
Oniska Fiske 50 
Annie Housten 63 
Jane Hines 46 
Rosalie Hin? 65 
Mary D Healy 51 
Mary Jarvis 50 
Esetra Kelly 80 
Maria Lawless 44  
Bridget Lyons 61 
Johanna Leoy 67 
Barbara Myers 49 
A R Olsen 52 
Sarah Smith 69 
Mary Sandrock 76 
Augusta Tr?Ebel 51 
Alice Van Kuelen 60 
Emma Weburg 36 
Mary H Whitney 83 
Ida B Williams 70 
Annie B Young 48 
F E Dickenson 44 
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1880 United States Federal Census
about Richard Lawless
Name: Richard Lawless
Home in 1880: Suscol, Napa, California
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Birthplace: Massachusetts
Relation to Head of Household: Something other than a direct relationship (Other)
on the original looks like it says HIRED MAN
Father's birthplace: Ireland
Mother's birthplace: Ireland
Neighbors: View others on page 
Occupation: Farm Laborer
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View image
Household Members: Name Age
Jeremiah Buckley 47 
Helen Buckley 43 
Mary T. Buckley 20 
Helen F. Buckley 18 
Caroline A. Buckley 16 
Sarah E. Buckley 14 
Rachel Buckley 12 
Richard Lawless 24 
Patrick T. Jordon 15 
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again, napa state hospital

1920 United States Federal Census
about William Lawless
Name: William Lawless
Home in 1920: Napa, Napa, California
Age: 53 years 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: California
Relation to Head of House: Inmate 
Father's Birth Place: Kansas 
Mother's Birth Place: Kansas 
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Sex: Male
Able to read: Yes 
Able to Write: No 
Image: 284 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Clarence Gatlin 22 
Zanerio Giovanoni 62 
Manuel Gelina 39 
Wilbur C Gibson 17 
Oliver Gilbert un 
Fred A Gleason 45 
Carl Gochenback 36 
Antone Gogl 71 
Edward I Goldberg 23 
James F Gooch 63 
William Gordon 78 
Albert Gould 60 
Charles P Green 45 
Edward F Grimley 29 
Fred Grosse 26 
Alton Guidry 17 
Frank Gurwich 36 
Tibbs Gusippo un 
Herman Gustus 45 
George A Hafer 73 
Carl H Hamblen 30 
Alfred Hambrecht 21 
John Hannah 31 
Ernest Hansel 44 
Carl J Harkinson 63 
Claude E Harper 32 
George E Hart 46 
Will H Harvey un 
Bert Hays 36 
Claus Hein 59 
John Hennessey 56 
Albert A Herrera 25 
Robert B Hewson 48 
Gustave Hilker 36 
Ferdinand Kinsberger 48 
August Hinselman 43 
Charles Hollman 65 
Nelson Holt 58 
Shelby Hunter 78 
George Ingrim 58 
John Inskeep 63 
Andrew Jacobson 52 
Alfred Johnson 47 
Herbert A Johnston 38 
Jacob Johnson 48 
Walter Johnson 55 
George Jones 36 
Sam Jones 35 
Themastaki Jordigianis 30 
Jahek Julius un 
William Jung 69 
Emil Kappenman 31 
George Kase 51 
Timothy D Kearney 37 
John F Kellogg 67 
John Kelly 36 
Arthur R Kendall 24 
John H Kendall 52 
Matthew Kerwin 30 
Gus B Kessler 37 
Thomas Kilduff 60 
James Knight 36 
Henry Kosh 54 
Ludwick Kopp 49 
Frank Kroutch 60 
John V Kulke 64 
Kottara Kyriakos 50 
C F Lagerstrom 59 
Edward Lark 54 
Louis Lauray 53 
Frank J Laurie 47 
William Lawless 53 
John C P Leck un 
Chapman Leigh 51 
Feriso Lejano 30 
Gustave Le Roche 72 
Bruno Legrand 55 
Joseph Lennon 53 
Waldo Littlefield 62 
Knute Linborn 47 
Marion Longnure 23 
Charles W Lovell 25 
George Lowenthal 16 
Carl Lundhal 51 
August Lutgens 75 
Luis A Lux 59 
William S Lyons 41 
John M Magnusson 49 
Earl Malloy 28 
Clayton Manaugh 41 
Aaron Mann 22 
Ben Mason 35 
Arturo Manfredi 38 
Dominick W Mariano 44 
Roland Marx 30 
Guilemo Matarri 55 
John Mattson 34 
K Matumago 45 
George May 55 
George Meir 70 
 
 
 

 
 
 

 
 
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« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2009, 01:01:51 AM »

hmmm what if she married under her name of tieken, got the copy, changed the name on it to short, then took it to have it recorded, but whoever married them also recorded the one with the right name? 

she might not have ever wanted to marry gary d lawless, she just wanted her name changed so no one would know who she really was.  was she hiding from the law?  then she gets the divorce or he does? 

or like you said, she never was marylin tieken.  maybe she was a short, used the tieken name and gary got a divorce saying that was not her right name etc?

oh gee who knows  Monkey Devil!

DD, I've been trying to figure this out too.  I think it has something to do with money or hiding.  But none of her kids ever used tieken or short that we know of.
 
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« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2009, 07:52:41 PM »

DD  i think you might have mis-posted on the what do we know for sure thred.  i think gomes was born in the 20's?  not sure, i'll have to look....
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« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2009, 08:07:36 PM »

DD  i think you might have mis-posted on the what do we know for sure thred.  i think gomes was born in the 20's?  not sure, i'll have to look....
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yes, I just noticed that too, UGH.. that is her birth year not his.  grrr  Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2009, 08:26:21 PM »

well look at this --- an this is in solano county, the other county that duplicated marriage with gary d lawless is Napa county, so it is not happening just because one county decided to do this. 

so what is going on, do all counties give you a separate record for each previous name you had?   Monkey Devil!

California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about Manuel Gomes
Name: Manuel Gomes
Age: 44 
Est. Birth: abt 1929 
Spouse Name: Marylin E Tieken
Spouse Age: 36 
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1937 
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano 
 
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California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about Manuel Gomes
Name: Manuel Gomes
Age: 44 
Est. Birth: abt 1929 
Spouse Name: Marylin E Lawless
Spouse Age: 36 
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1937 
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano 
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« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2009, 08:27:15 PM »

hmmm and how come manuel gomes did not marry marylin E Short?  so it is not because they are doing a separate one for each previous name.  so what is going on?
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« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2009, 08:28:23 PM »

oh I know, marylin tieken is a conjoined twin so he has to marry them both?  Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2009, 08:29:00 PM »

seriously though, wth?
why would they be doing this?
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« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2009, 08:29:36 PM »

not only that, we can't find out what happens to either of these husbands.  where did they come from and where did they go?
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« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2009, 08:37:41 PM »

if anyone reading has been married twice can you go check your records and see if it lists you with two records under two different names?
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« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2009, 08:38:22 PM »

so... can we assume marylin tieken married a SHORT before she married gary d lawless?
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« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2009, 08:41:48 PM »

could this be the same manuel gomes, in the same county, who is getting a divorce in jan and then marries marylin tieken/lawless in october of the same year? 

California Divorce Index, 1966-1984
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Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Name: Marlene A Pountain
Location: Solano 
Date: Jan 1973
 
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