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« on: June 23, 2009, 06:26:52 PM »

starting this thread to sort out Marilyn Elizabeth Tieken who married Gary D Lawless the same day under her name of Marilyn Tieken and also Mariln Short.  why marriages under two different names the same day.  And where is the divorce under the short name before she marries Manuel Gomes.  And which Manuel Gomes is this? Why do her lawless boys use the Gomes name. 

I'll go gather up what records I already have, then we can go from there.
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2009, 06:33:05 PM »

DD there was a thread somewhere we talked about the marriage of Gary Lawless to Marilyn Tieken and we wondered if Gary was CLL remebered? The question was asked why their lives paralled one another? What happened with that?
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2009, 06:36:07 PM »

I don't know where that is, but if I run into it I will either pull the info over here, or link to it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 06:40:43 PM »

the marilyn Tieken and boys and her marriages records/genealogy is all on page #2 and page #3 of the genealogy thread, beginning on page #2 Reply #38. 

I will go get the actual records/certificate info and post it here.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 06:43:21 PM »

here is one of my very first posts about this, so I will just copy and post it here, has all the basics in it

Name: Timothy J Lawless
Birth Date: 11 Dec 1964
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Glenn


brother
Name: Gary D Lawless
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1966
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


brother
Name: Jeffrey C Lawless
Birth Date: 21 Nov 1967
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken
Birth County: Napa


Mother of all boys above
Name: Marylin Elizabeth Tieken
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1937
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Forman
Birth County: Napa

Mother married Gary D Lawless AFTER all boys above were born
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 30
Est. Birth: abt 1938
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Spouse Age: 35
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1933
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother divorces Gary D Lawless a month After she married himcaifornia divorce
Name: Marylin E Ticken
Spouse Name: Gary D Lawless
Location: Napa
Date: Jul 1968

Mother is also married to Gary D Lawless using the last name of SHORT, on the very same day she married him under the last name if Tieken


Name: Gary D Lawless
Age: 35
Est. Birth: abt 1933
Spouse Name: Marylin E Short
Spouse Age: 30
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1938
Date: 6 Jun 1968
Location: Napa


Mother then marries Manuel Gomes
Name: Marylin E Tieken
Age: 36
Est. Birth: abt 1937
Spouse Name: Manuel Gomes
Spouse Age: 44
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1929
Date: 30 Oct 1973
Location: Solano

I found no divorce for marilyn and manuel gomes
 
 

 
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 06:45:14 PM »

Since then have learned a lot more. 

here are the full names of the boys

Timothy John Lawless aka Gomes
Gary Duane Lawless, aka Gomes
Jeffrey Carl Lawless, aka Gomes

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Gary D Lawless - we have never been able to figure out who he is
Mother Marilyn Elizabeth Tiekne aka Marilyn E Short, aka Marilyn E Gomess
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 06:47:22 PM »

The mother and the boys all have criminal records with arrests in Butte County, Glen County, and I forget where else.  They have court docs in Butte County, Glen County, Tehema County, Shasta County.  They also have addresses in all of these places.  You can find most of this info on the first few pages of the Timothy Lawless thread(the huge thread)
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 06:56:29 PM »

i going to be calling her m.  or mary a lot.  don't want anyone confused..yet..'cause just wait
m. e. tiekin (forman)
dob 3-20-1937

'wedding' of gary lawless to m. e. tiekin -her est yob 1938
'wedding' of gary lawless to m. e. short -her est yob  1938

divorce of gary lawless to m. e. tiekin- her est yob 1938
divorce of gary lawless to m.e.  short (don't even know if theydid divorce)

wedding of m.e. tiekin to Gomes -est yob is back to 1937.

how did she grow younger while with lawless?
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2009, 06:58:15 PM »

Since then have learned a lot more. 

here are the full names of the boys

Timothy John Lawless aka Gomes
Gary Duane Lawless, aka Gomes
Jeffrey Carl Lawless, aka Gomes

Father
Gary D Lawless - we have never been able to figure out who he is
Mother Marilyn Elizabeth Tiekne aka Marilyn E Short, aka Marilyn E Gomess
i tell ya HE is Short...don't worry, i wont get started on that (yet) Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2009, 07:02:10 PM »

we have researched every line we could find with any Gary Lawless which we thought might fit.  Some of these are in the genealogy thread, others are scattered in the HUGH thread.  We could never make anything "fit".

Now there has to be a reason why marilyn tieken marries gary d lawless after all 3 boys are born, only to divorce him one month later, and also to have two marriage records to him under two different names for her, on the very same day.  then her kids decide to use the Gomes name who she marries several years later.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2009, 07:05:33 PM »

Since then have learned a lot more. 

here are the full names of the boys

Timothy John Lawless aka Gomes
Gary Duane Lawless, aka Gomes
Jeffrey Carl Lawless, aka Gomes

Father
Gary D Lawless - we have never been able to figure out who he is
Mother Marilyn Elizabeth Tiekne aka Marilyn E Short, aka Marilyn E Gomess
i tell ya HE is Short...don't worry, i wont get started on that (yet) Monkey Devil!

I'm just giving a rundown of what we do know so far, what we have looked for and not found, and where to find info already on the board.  Feel free to discuss whatever you think.  We are going to have to brainstorm in order to figure out what we should look for next. 

I'll try to look for any new docs I can find that might help
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2009, 07:07:20 PM »

all three boys were born years before they got married.  all three boys had the last name of lawless.  are they really his sons?  were tinkin and lawless in relationship all that time?  it just seems a little odd (exp when you remember this was the 60's) that they were ok with having this long term relationship which netted three children in four years, and then got married...  twice..., on the same day, and tinkin turned into short the second time.
 ::MonkeyEek::then they (well, lawless and tinkin, not short) got divorce a WHOLE month later.   
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2009, 07:14:01 PM »

ok..
did tinkin and lawless file to get marriage lic.  at the same place (or the same day)  as short and lawless?  if so, how..i would think that the file clerk would remember the people she had just seen the same day.  and the fact that the bride now has a different name.
who signed the marrage lic?  was it the same person for both?  again, how?
how did they get such a quick divorce in 1968 with three kids on the line. a month?  is lawless on the birth cert? or did they turn into lawless's later?
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 07:20:15 PM »

we have researched every line we could find with any Gary Lawless which we thought might fit.  Some of these are in the genealogy thread, others are scattered in the HUGH thread.  We could never make anything "fit".

Now there has to be a reason why marilyn tieken marries gary d lawless after all 3 boys are born, only to divorce him one month later, and also to have two marriage records to him under two different names for her, on the very same day.  then her kids decide to use the Gomes name who she marries several years later.

Conjugal visits? Or a wife can not testify against her husband?
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2009, 07:21:56 PM »

Back in 1968 it wasn't as easy to get a divorce as the no fault divorce was not a law until the 1970's.
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2009, 07:24:49 PM »

What happens in the case of bigamy? Does the marriages end in divorce?
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2009, 07:25:47 PM »

# Comment by Marella ó May 4, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

I have known Tim Lawless (formerly Gomes) for many years. He changed his name several years ago. Told me he wanted to use his motherís maiden name instead of his step-fathers. I have seen the arrest report and read all the blogs here and on SM - and I find it difficult to believe. I knew him before he married Chona (she had a small daughter) together they have a son. I have worked with him in the IT field for a long time. The picture in the hat IS Tim Lawless, the other pics Iíve seen trying to determine if it is him also, ARE NOT. We who know him are shocked.

Marella-
I appreciate you weighing in. I have heard the same from other colleagues of his, and I guess yours. I have to be honest, I would strap in, this is going to get worse before it gets better. I spent a great number of years early as an IT Consultant for Fortune 500 Clients- I KNOW what kind of access he had and his capabilities; I would be very interested to know whatís on his computers.
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this is from blinks site a while back.
guess tim went from lawless to gomes to lawless
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2009, 07:26:44 PM »

# Comment by Marella ó May 4, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

I have known Tim Lawless (formerly Gomes) for many years. He changed his name several years ago. Told me he wanted to use his motherís maiden name instead of his step-fathers. I have seen the arrest report and read all the blogs here and on SM - and I find it difficult to believe. I knew him before he married Chona (she had a small daughter) together they have a son. I have worked with him in the IT field for a long time. The picture in the hat IS Tim Lawless, the other pics Iíve seen trying to determine if it is him also, ARE NOT. We who know him are shocked.

Marella-
I appreciate you weighing in. I have heard the same from other colleagues of his, and I guess yours. I have to be honest, I would strap in, this is going to get worse before it gets better. I spent a great number of years early as an IT Consultant for Fortune 500 Clients- I KNOW what kind of access he had and his capabilities; I would be very interested to know whatís on his computers.
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this is from blinks site a while back.
guess tim went from lawless to gomes to lawless
now how could lawless be his mothers maiden name?
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2009, 07:30:56 PM »

What happens in the case of bigamy? Does the marriages end in divorce?
any marriage after the first doesn't count (in the eyes of the law)  but, this is where it gets sticky...if man marries woman 1, then marries woman 2, legally man and woman 2 aren't married.  but if woman 2 wants to marry different man, she's gonna' have to divorce man 1 to make her marriage to man 2 legal
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2009, 07:32:02 PM »

maybe that was his way of explaining it to people? Good catch though!
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