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« on: June 24, 2009, 05:21:40 PM »

Just want a list of the things we KNOW 100%, and what have we accomplished by doing all of this genealogy work etc?

We certainly dug up a LOT of sex offenders and criminals by the name of LAWLESS
yes we have not connnected them to CLL's family

I believe we have most all the names of the Lawless family CLL "claims" to be from. 
Mother
Father
Brother
Aunts, uncles, grandparents, great-grandparents
Nieces, Nephews, Children, grandchildren
in-laws

If we go back to where it really matters, we find most all of the Lawless family CLL claims is connected to Washington in one of the towns on the first map on our map thread.  Most of them stay there.  CLL on the other hand ends up leaving and going to cali and staying there.


We can't find any REAL info(confirmed with records) for a clifford lane lawless who CLL would be.  We can't find any records to confirm anything about a Lane Lawless who he might be.   All we have are news articles where the famliy calls him LANE, and some address files where he lists himself as Lane, Pastor Lane, Lane P, Clifford Lane, C Lane, etc.  We find nothing to confirm his birth, his marriage, his kids' births. 

His "religious schooling" dates are a mess and nothing adds up. 

We read in a news article he is leaving for the Navy, but there are no military records for that name.

He is a contact person for a roofing company that does not really exist.

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2009, 05:27:54 PM »

although we have found MANY sex offenders and criminals with the last name of LAWLESS, the only ones we can connect up so far is:

Luanne (umpteen last names) married to Gerald Dee Lawless- 1st cousin of CLL
we can confirm through court docs FORGERY charges for her

Brynne Cole Lawless - son of luanne above
we can confirm through court docs Assault/Battery charges on him

we have not tied any of the other sex offenders/criminals to Cll's
Mother
Father
Brother
Aunts, uncles, grandparents, great-grandparents
Nieces, Nephews,

other than of course Melissa Lawless/Huckaby.

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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2009, 05:36:18 PM »

We know Judy Lawless/nee purks, daughter of CLL and mother of Melissa
took Melissa's daughter to a ranch in Oregon.  Ranch belongs to someone in the family.

We have found a whole lawless line connected to Grants Pass Oregon,
we have not yet connected this grants pass oregon line to CLL's line

We do know this grants pass oregon line is connected to a Lawless line out of Redding California.

We also know Timothy John Lawless(arrested on 10 cts of child sex charges out of sacrament CA) is connected to the Redding area, but we have not been able to hook his line to the grants pass/redding line.

We know Timothy Lawless, brothers, mother is living all over northern cali and they all have court records to confirm this.
We never can determine where their father Gary D Lawless is, where he came from or where he went.  Neither can we figure out who the step-father Manuel Gomes is, which they all use his last name as an aka.


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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2009, 05:38:39 PM »

We find a Ronald Sutton Lawless line in southern cali, and his x wife shares a phone number with Gary Duane Lawless, brother of Timothy John Lawless (in the sac jail on 10 child sex counts)
yet we can't figure out how timothy lawless' father connects to the Ronald Sutton Lawless family or if he really does.  However, being the brother shares a phone number with that family you would think they connect. 

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2009, 05:40:18 PM »

We have a Lawless line in Kansas/Oklahoma with could be the missing father of timothy john lawless, but we can't connect them. 


There is a Anna Leona Lawless in Northern California in the same towns as Timothy's family, but still have not been able to connect them yet either.

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2009, 05:41:10 PM »

We have a texas Lawless line who also has connections to Colorado
In this line is Gary Dee Lawless, deceased. 
We can't connect this line to any other lines either.
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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 05:46:13 PM »

We have a gomes family living across the street from Melissa and CLL in the MHP. 
This gomes' family is good friends with Bacchetti dairy family. 
There is a Manuel Gomes in this family who is deceased.

Timothy lawless' mother married a Manuel Gomes. 

But we can't figure out if these two Gomes families connect.

The question is:  Is Melissa familiar with the Bacchetti/Silva Dairy through her neighbors across the street in the MHP?
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2009, 06:50:37 PM »

Are the men who are missing or we cannot find all within the same age?
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2009, 07:26:59 PM »

Are the men who are missing or we cannot find all within the same age?


clifford lane lawless, abt 1931(according to addresses records)
Gary D Lawless (Father of Timothy Lawless), abt 1933(according to marriage record to Marylin Tieken
Manuel Gomes (Step-father of Timothy Lawless), abt 1937  (according to marriage record to Marylin Tieken
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2009, 08:08:42 PM »

Are the men who are missing or we cannot find all within the same age?


clifford lane lawless, abt 1931(according to addresses records)
Gary D Lawless (Father of Timothy Lawless), abt 1933(according to marriage record to Marylin Tieken
Manuel Gomes (Step-father of Timothy Lawless), abt 1937  (according to marriage record to Marylin Tieken


ooops manuel gomes (step-fathrer of Timothy Lawless), abt 1929 (according to marriage record to Marylin Tieken
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2009, 01:45:10 AM »

Hi DD:) Do we know if Marylin Gomes/Tieken/lawless is still alive?
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2009, 02:04:01 AM »

Hi DD:) Do we know if Marylin Gomes/Tieken/lawless is still alive?

I have not found a death record for her.  That one poster said she died about 10 years ago or so or something, but I really have my doubts that person really knew anything. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2009, 02:06:33 AM »

Why do we not believe CLL and Gary Lawless are one in the same? Did we discount that? Is there a military or a birth record for Gary lawless?
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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2009, 02:13:56 AM »

I found this, I don't know if we have seen this already?

GOMES, Marylin E (TIEKEN)[LAWLESS]; 61; Chico CA; Chico E-R; 1998-12-9; bcr
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http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=gomes&type=Keyword&Start=850

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« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2009, 02:20:27 AM »

Why do we not believe CLL and Gary Lawless are one in the same? Did we discount that? Is there a military or a birth record for Gary lawless?

the only thing we have for gary d lawless who married marylin Tieken/Short is on the marriage record which states he is born abt 1933 and they were married in Napa, CA

And we have nothing for CLL except news articles stating whatever his family said to the news, and then his supposed age and names HE lists on his addresses or the church tells us.  which puts his birth abt 1931.  His brother paul george is born 1927 and is on the 1930 census with supposed father george webster lawless and supposed mother jessie grace dicus. If CLL is born after 1929 he will not show up on the 1930 census and there is no access to the 1940 census yet, so there is no was to tell when he is really born or who he was actually living with then. 


cll supposedly married connie harris in 1960 in Modesto(no records), but being there is no record of it, we don't know that other than the church says so. 

Marylin married gary d lawless June 6, 1968 in Napa.

with what documented info we have on these two at this time there is no way of telling who either of them actually are.  It is always POSSIBLE they are the same person.  But there would really be some juggling of marriages and kids if they are.
all of marylin's boys would be born after CLL supposedly married Connie.

CLL's kids, we can't find their birth records. 

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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2009, 02:22:26 AM »

I found this, I don't know if we have seen this already?

GOMES, Marylin E (TIEKEN)[LAWLESS]; 61; Chico CA; Chico E-R; 1998-12-9; bcr
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http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=gomes&type=Keyword&Start=850



Seems like it is the same person
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« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2009, 02:26:09 AM »

I found this, I don't know if we have seen this already?

GOMES, Marylin E (TIEKEN)[LAWLESS]; 61; Chico CA; Chico E-R; 1998-12-9; bcr
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http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=gomes&type=Keyword&Start=850



that must be her, would be the right age, she was born 1937, making her 61 in 1998. 

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« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2009, 02:30:58 AM »

and here is son jeffrey carl lawless
LAWLESS, Jeffrey Carl; 31; Chico CA; Chico E-R; 1999-3-11; bcr
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2009, 02:34:26 AM »

So out of the 4 people, connie, maryline, Clifford and Gary who has birth records?

Trying to keep this straight,
There are birth records for maryline's kids which list Gary lawless as father.
There are no birth records for Connies kids
There is a marriage license for M and G
There is no marriage license for Connie and Lane
There is a death cert for Marylin
Connie is still alive
Gary has disappeared into thin air
Lane is alive and well.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2009, 02:41:25 AM »

So out of the 4 people, connie, maryline, Clifford and Gary who has birth records?

Trying to keep this straight,
There are birth records for maryline's kids which list Gary lawless as father.
There are no birth records for Connies kids
There is a marriage license for M and G
There is no marriage license for Connie and Lane
There is a death cert for Marylin
Connie is still alive
Gary has disappeared into thin air
Lane is alive and well.


there is a listing in the obits for marylin, there is no record of her death in the ss records; At least not under tieken, lawless, gomes.

There could be birth records for CLL's kids but not in cali.  There is no marriage record for CLL in cali, where they say he was married.

there is not a lot available online for washington records.
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