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« Reply #1620 on: July 08, 2009, 08:59:44 AM »

and if that becomes a problem I will go post it on my own boards  Monkey Devil!

These are monkey boards and you are a Monkey.  'nuff said!

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« Reply #1621 on: July 08, 2009, 09:04:18 AM »

hmmm maybe someone at school had been threatening lindsey, if you have older kids there up to 14 yrs old.  they might have been scaring her to death saying they were going to do this or that to her. 

gee could older kids have gotten her out and done something to her. 

and some 14 yr olds are running around with even older kids.  that is common in a small town, younger people are friends with older ones. 

we lived in a very small town and I saw a lot of younger kids with friends her were much older.  it was the norm there.  everyone knew everyone and they would all hang out. 

falling asleep over here, have to go to bed ugh.

DD, this got me thinking.  What about one kid that may have enticed her to go somewhere with her/him and led her to a place where there were more kids that she may have been "fighting" with?  Is there a hangout that should be checked out?



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« Reply #1622 on: July 08, 2009, 09:37:07 AM »

Another thought, did mlachester talk to anyone about sending Lindsey's brother home? 

It would stand to reason, if it was almost dark and the girls were walking towards Karak's house, and their young male escort was sent home, Lindsey would be walking back by herself.  After all, it was getting near dark, if she had to be in at ten, a onlooker/reasonable person, including mlachester, should know that would leave Lindsey to walk home alone.

I think mlachester (I am not saying knowingly) in calling attention to the kids fighting, put the spotlight on the fact that Lindsey was walking home alone.  Her brother, who was her escort, was sent home by ml.



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« Reply #1623 on: July 08, 2009, 10:08:18 AM »

Morning Monkeys.

I'm trying to find the article.  I thought NorthernRose posted it but I can't find it now.  It was about the park being searched for the first time since Lindsey has been missing because it was filled with campers for the long weekend.

Does anyone else remember this?  Don't you think this would give ample opportunity to someone if she was in the park?   

Also along the lines of older kids picking on her.  Maybe one of the older kids dared her to do something at night during the "witching hour" to prove something or other and something went wrong.  Thoughts?
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« Reply #1624 on: July 08, 2009, 10:10:27 AM »



From Rob's myspace from Rachel

Mar 12 2009 12:52 AM

Hey Rob..... How are things going for you? I havn't talked to you mom in a while but I probably should get ahold of her... So... Whats been going on? Working? What? When? Where? How???

http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326

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« Reply #1625 on: July 08, 2009, 10:23:11 AM »

According to mlachester comments ... in the past 911 was contacted when Lindsey came to her home seeking safety from her brother's abuse.  In my opinion this goes a long way in providing credibility to her words ... words that could be easily disputed.

mlachester does not claim to know what happened to Lindsey ... she is sharing her frustrations on what authorities are already aware.  She is sharing her frustration that the past allegation that warranted the 911 call was not taken seriously by LE and ... Lindsey driven home.  I believe that I would be doing likewise ... 

Does this indicate that Josh had anything to do with Linsey's disappearance.  Of course not.  However ... when mlachester's words are considered ... when Lindsey's own words are considered ... when Melissa's words are considered ... when Lindsey was witnessed two blocks from her home on the evening she disappearance is considered ... I believe this young man should not be dismissed as a person of interest.

IF Josh had anything to do with what happened to Lindsey ... I do not believe he would have acted alone after the fact.

In other words ... in the quest to find a missing little girl named Linsey ... no person known to have had a connection to this little in the last two hours prior to her disappearance should be given a pass as a person of interest until interrogated by LE and rule out and ...  that includes .... mlachester.

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« Reply #1626 on: July 08, 2009, 10:41:03 AM »

According to mlachester comments ... in the past 911 was contacted when Lindsey came to her home seeking safety from her brother's abuse.  In my opinion this goes a long way in providing credibility to her words ... words that could be easily disputed.

mlachester does not claim to know what happened to Lindsey ... she is sharing her frustrations on what authorities are already aware.  She is sharing her frustration that the past allegation that warranted the 911 call was not taken seriously by LE and ... Lindsey driven home.  I believe that I would be doing likewise ... 

Does this indicate that Josh had anything to do with Linsey's disappearance.  Of course not.  However ... when mlachester's words are considered ... when Lindsey's own words are considered ... when Melissa's words are considered ... when Lindsey was witnessed two blocks from her home on the evening she disappearance is considered ... I believe this young man should not be dismissed as a person of interest.

IF Josh had anything to do with what happened to Lindsey ... I do not believe he would have acted alone after the fact.

In other words ... in the quest to find a missing little girl named Linsey ... no person known to have had a connection to this little in the last two hours prior to her disappearance should be given a pass as a person of interest until interrogated by LE and rule out and ...  that includes .... mlachester.

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« Reply #1627 on: July 08, 2009, 10:54:59 AM »

Good Morning no rose colored glasses and ... thank you.

I pray this will be the day that answers are forthcoming in the Lindsey Baum case.

I could be wrong but ... I somehow believe that the silence in the media may imiply that stuff is going on behind the scenes.

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« Reply #1628 on: July 08, 2009, 11:03:42 AM »

I agree that Josh should be questioned, but I have big doubts as to whether he has anything to do with this.  He's a 12 year old kid himself.  Not that 12 year olds aren't capable of committing crimes--they certainly are.  I posted a few examples yesterday.  But I question whether a 12 year old child is capable of holding out this long and not drawing some attention to himself, especially since yesterday was his sister's birthday.  It just seems more likely to me that he'd experience some emotional fallout or personality changes if he was involved in his sister's disappearance.  12 year olds have a difficult time dealing with ordinary, everyday issues.  This assumes, of course, that the adults in his life aren't covering for him, which is always a possibility.
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« Reply #1629 on: July 08, 2009, 11:10:14 AM »

Kara ... or a Monkey
I don't want to know her * name  ..just relation to Lindsey.
Who is this girl? I saw her pic on one of Lindsey's friend/family myspaces
I am getting confused
She likes to show her chest in photo's ( don't know what it is with taking pics in the bathroom)

http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5

I wish her Dad would see these - I think he would shut her space down.


From Here....
http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5   

To Here...
http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326

To Here:16th Friend Down ... Rick....
http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964 

IS THIS THE SAME GUY????
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey
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« Reply #1630 on: July 08, 2009, 11:16:57 AM »

I agree that Josh should be questioned, but I have big doubts as to whether he has anything to do with this.  He's a 12 year old kid himself.  Not that 12 year olds aren't capable of committing crimes--they certainly are.  I posted a few examples yesterday.  But I question whether a 12 year old child is capable of holding out this long and not drawing some attention to himself, especially since yesterday was his sister's birthday.  It just seems more likely to me that he'd experience some emotional fallout or personality changes if he was involved in his sister's disappearance.  12 year olds have a difficult time dealing with ordinary, everyday issues.  This assumes, of course, that the adults in his life aren't covering for him, which is always a possibility.


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Your take on the topic of Josh did cross my mind.  There was a comment on the KING site from a reader who claimed that Josh was at the vigil for his sister.  We know that Melissa did not attend the vigil.  It would make sense if there was any covering up for Josh if "something bad happened" ... his mother would not let him out of her sights.

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This heartbreaking story has effected so many people in our little county. Lindsey was a friend of my grandaughter and has broke so many hearts. Why has the mother not showed any emotion? We are not letting our children out of our sight. Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil? Give me a break. Lindsey and my grandaughter share the same birthday. Same day and same year. We are lighting an extra candle for her little friend on her birthday cake. For you Lindsey. We will celebrate your life no matter where you are God is watching over you and he has his arms around you. The reason it took her daddy so long is because when you are government property you go when they say. He was probably crazy till they let him go. Give that father a break. He at least has showed more emothion than the mother.Our prayers go out to you Lindsey.

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« Reply #1631 on: July 08, 2009, 11:19:22 AM »

Credit to Northern Rose for posting the above quote from KING onto the forum.

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« Reply #1632 on: July 08, 2009, 11:47:09 AM »

I would be interested in reading how you believe a 12 year old boy could have done this  and gotten away with it for this long and not break. What else do we have besides the lady who has an obvious problem with the josh and the mom? I am honestly asking and not trying to attack anyone.

Is there any other information regarding the arson fire set by some kind of devise? That to me is very interesting. Is this the area they had spoken about searching? I was thinking it was, but now I am not sure. I know there was a reference to Forks and there is a forks road in that area, would that send someone off to blow up the area? 
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« Reply #1633 on: July 08, 2009, 11:49:47 AM »

Kara ... or a Monkey
I don't want to know her * name  ..just relation to Lindsey.
Who is this girl? I saw her pic on one of Lindsey's friend/family myspaces
I am getting confused
She likes to show her chest in photo's ( don't know what it is with taking pics in the bathroom)

http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5

I wish her Dad would see these - I think he would shut her space down.


From Here....
http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5   

To Here...
http://www.myspace.com/Zidane326

To Here:16th Friend Down ... Rick....
http://www.myspace.com/myplace1964 

IS THIS THE SAME GUY????
http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey

The photobucket is not coming up. Who did you see  the young guy or the 45 year old guy?  BTW, his myspace is now on pissed off....

These myspaces, 
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« Reply #1634 on: July 08, 2009, 12:11:13 PM »

Good Morning no rose colored glasses and ... thank you.

I pray this will be the day that answers are forthcoming in the Lindsey Baum case.

I could be wrong but ... I somehow believe that the silence in the media may imiply that stuff is going on behind the scenes.

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Good Morning, yes I think behind the scenes LE has some good idea about what happened to Lindsey, at least I certainly hope so.
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« Reply #1635 on: July 08, 2009, 12:16:42 PM »

I would be interested in reading how you believe a 12 year old boy could have done this  and gotten away with it for this long and not break. What else do we have besides the lady who has an obvious problem with the josh and the mom? I am honestly asking and not trying to attack anyone.

Is there any other information regarding the arson fire set by some kind of devise? That to me is very interesting. Is this the area they had spoken about searching? I was thinking it was, but now I am not sure. I know there was a reference to Forks and there is a forks road in that area, would that send someone off to blow up the area? 
But how do we know this lady has an obvious problem with Josh and his mom? What if she is telling the truth, and someone else is lying about it?
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« Reply #1636 on: July 08, 2009, 12:41:53 PM »

I would be interested in reading how you believe a 12 year old boy could have done this  and gotten away with it for this long and not break. What else do we have besides the lady who has an obvious problem with the josh and the mom? I am honestly asking and not trying to attack anyone.

Is there any other information regarding the arson fire set by some kind of devise? That to me is very interesting. Is this the area they had spoken about searching? I was thinking it was, but now I am not sure. I know there was a reference to Forks and there is a forks road in that area, would that send someone off to blow up the area? 
But how do we know this lady has an obvious problem with Josh and his mom? What if she is telling the truth, and someone else is lying about it?

I suppose to me it adds up and makes  sense that Kara was telling the truth about her. Her actions that night when she saw Lindsey walking by herself as night was falling, didn't add up to someone who had an interest in protecting what she says is an abused child. But regardless of all of that, it just doesn't make sense how this boy could have done this and gotten away with it for this long. I would think the family has been questioned, including Josh. If there is a theory of how he could have done this then I would like to hear about it. Maybe there is something I have not thought of.

Onto something else..this is a comment left on a news site. Kara are you familiar with this place? 

http://www.theolympian.com/northwest/story/903072.html
i was driving thru central park and just past the firestation is a tree farm and i saw a couple cars and unmarked car with a light bar in the back on and people walking around with dogs? im wondering if maybe they were searching for lindsey...I hope someone comes forward soon this is a tradidy..McCleary will never be the same...Whoever has Lindsey should drop her off somewhere so she can go home to her family and her beloved Dog Kandance.....Come home soon Lindsey! People all around the world are praying for your return
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« Reply #1637 on: July 08, 2009, 12:45:15 PM »

Morning Monkeys.

I'm trying to find the article.  I thought NorthernRose posted it but I can't find it now.  It was about the park being searched for the first time since Lindsey has been missing because it was filled with campers for the long weekend.

Does anyone else remember this?  Don't you think this would give ample opportunity to someone if she was in the park?   

Also along the lines of older kids picking on her.  Maybe one of the older kids dared her to do something at night during the "witching hour" to prove something or other and something went wrong.  Thoughts?
Here is one of the articles, I am still trying to find the other one.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49891642.html
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« Reply #1638 on: July 08, 2009, 12:45:40 PM »

Hi NRCG ~ I see you are back on.  Found that discussion.  It begins on Pg 65 and goes through page 67 (of this thread).

I have no point other than the fact that the name from the interview jumped out at me and I find it spooky.
Thank-you, I appreciate your help 
I'm confused?
I thought we had already established the connection to Forks,WA.Forks,WA is a town that they filmed at or mentioned in the Twilight series books and the town is all dressed up like the Twilight books.
I think that is the connection to that post.....Lindsey+Twilight+Forks,WA.


http://www.forkswa.com/twilight.html

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« Reply #1639 on: July 08, 2009, 12:49:40 PM »

One of the reader comments .  Anyone local or if Kara comes by, can you please explain why Forks?

This girl twitters, does Facebook and prolly has a cellphone, too. What do parents expect? Ten year olds do not need these things. This child most likely is far away from that town with someone she met via one of the above. Hope she comes home soon.

Of course, if she is not found soon they should look up in Forks.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49891642.html

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this is something else I am thinking to look into, this post, the poster, etc.  we really don't know what they meant, might be something cryptic for all we know.  I will try to check more on this





I checked with my daughter as she has read the series.  It is based in Forks Washington.  When I googled it they have turned it into a huge Twighlight tourism thing - tours, gifts shops, parties, etc.

http://www.afterthebite.com/2506442

hi Northern, yes that is one Forks, but tracygirl was trying to compare the post with her map
I bumped that post to go with tracygirl's map so she can compare it with her map with FORK
she was looking for that post so I found it for her.
I hope this links right, I don't know how to post a pic of a webpage. Anyhow, wasn't there a reference to Forks? The mapquest directions list a forks drive or street. thought it maybe something,

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Fall+Creek&1s=WA&1y=US&1l=46.626942&1g=-123.724167&2c=Mccleary&2s=WA#a/maps/l:::Fall+Creek:WA::US:46.626942:-123.724167:::1/l:::McCleary:WA::US:47.053299:-123.264198:city:Grays+Harbor+County:1/m:hyb:15:47.053896:-123.264635:0:::::/io:1:::::f:EN:M:/e

Me bad.  I read that wrong.  I now understand.  Yup the fork road is close to the arson event.  Well doesn't that get interesting.  I sure hope LE had searched that area this weekend like they said they were going to.
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