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« Reply #1700 on: July 08, 2009, 07:05:50 PM »

HLN did 45 minutes on MJ and 2 minutes top on Lindsey. Just went over that she was missing and that dad is being shipped out to Iraq and Lindsey's birthday came and passed without being found. Nothing new.

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« Reply #1701 on: July 08, 2009, 07:06:15 PM »

sorry could not find the one vid with the Strawberry Blond woman talking ... Sad

8:31 on this Vid - NG asks about Neighbor who was stated to see Lindsey
The one who broke up argument with Josh

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/A5HZIC1lQ_E&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&quot;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/A5HZIC1lQ_E&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&quot;</a>
3:47: - Talks about Josh and Lindsey and the when they were walking

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/QAa6zS6o3X8&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/QAa6zS6o3X8&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&amp;border=1</a>

At 22 seconds - says Neighbor (*unknown name) spotted Lindsey 3 blocks from Lindsey's House.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/IhB9oz37Vs0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&amp;border=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/IhB9oz37Vs0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;rel=0&amp;border=1</a>
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« Reply #1702 on: July 08, 2009, 07:07:08 PM »

the reason it bothers me about this particular person letting her go home by herself is not that she is walking two blocks, it is because this woman though the fight was bad enough to send josh home, she obviously was concerned about the fighting.  seems she would have called the mother or made sure lindsey was not going home to another huge bad fight if no one was there.  that is my point.  no one else knew they were fighting like that, kara didn't, the mom didn't, etc. 

either the fight was really bad or it wasn't. is how I see it, and if you think it is bad enough to butt in and tell someone's child they have to go home, then you should also be concerned enough to get ahold of the mom or make sure the fight is not continuing...otherwise it must have not been so bad.  so then why make josh go home
Good point, or she could be like a neighbor I have that has no problem telling kids what to do, because she is a busy body, and likes to interfere. If the fight was that bad, which I'm beginning to think it wasn't anything but regular brother/sister fights, she would have called the mom I would think.

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« Reply #1703 on: July 08, 2009, 07:07:25 PM »

how did we come to the conclusion Marilyn was the person who sent Josh home, hmmmm was it in a posting Kara put up?


No, I read all her postings. Click her name and re-read them.

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« Reply #1704 on: July 08, 2009, 07:08:00 PM »

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« Reply #1705 on: July 08, 2009, 07:11:20 PM »

Thanks Deenie 
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« Reply #1706 on: July 08, 2009, 07:11:24 PM »

the reason it bothers me about this particular person letting her go home by herself is not that she is walking two blocks, it is because this woman though the fight was bad enough to send josh home, she obviously was concerned about the fighting.  seems she would have called the mother or made sure lindsey was not going home to another huge bad fight if no one was there.  that is my point.  no one else knew they were fighting like that, kara didn't, the mom didn't, etc. 

either the fight was really bad or it wasn't. is how I see it, and if you think it is bad enough to butt in and tell someone's child they have to go home, then you should also be concerned enough to get ahold of the mom or make sure the fight is not continuing...otherwise it must have not been so bad.  so then why make josh go home
Good point, or she could be like a neighbor I have that has no problem telling kids what to do, because she is a busy body, and likes to interfere. If the fight was that bad, which I'm beginning to think it wasn't anything but regular brother/sister fights, she would have called the mom I would think.

I am not no rose's busybody neighbor. Smile
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I am not a busybody. I just know how kids can blow stuff out of proportion and how quick kids are to go from screaming to clawing each other's eyes out anymore. I don't want any blood on my lawn.

If I hear a fight going on and there are not parents out there watching their children, I as an adult, have no problem stepping in and telling them to break it up and go home.

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« Reply #1707 on: July 08, 2009, 07:14:15 PM »

how did we come to the conclusion Marilyn was the person who sent Josh home, hmmmm was it in a posting Kara put up?


No, I read all her postings. Click her name and re-read them.

I don't know how things got twisted. ::shrugs::

When I click her name I don't get all of the postings.
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« Reply #1708 on: July 08, 2009, 07:14:17 PM »

ty Deenie! Smile
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« Reply #1709 on: July 08, 2009, 07:16:28 PM »

how did we come to the conclusion Marilyn was the person who sent Josh home, hmmmm was it in a posting Kara put up?


No, I read all her postings. Click her name and re-read them.

I don't know how things got twisted. ::shrugs::

When I click her name I don't get all of the postings.


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« Reply #1710 on: July 08, 2009, 07:18:49 PM »

I will admit this has gotten abit confused. I know I read that it is believed the woman is marilyn and I am not starting rumors.


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« Reply #1711 on: July 08, 2009, 07:22:38 PM »

Posted today http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50242377.html
LYNNWOOD, Wash. -- A 40-year-old man was arrested Tuesday for the rape of a 13-year-old Lynnwood girl in 2002, and investigators credit a DNA sample for helping solve the six-year old case. The attack happened in the early morning hours of Dec. 22, 2002 at the girl's apartment in the 500 block of 164th Street SW.
Police say the man got into the apartment somehow and went into the girl's bedroom, where she just happened to have two other 13-year-old girlfriends staying the night.
The man raped the girl who lived there, but left the other two girls alone, who ended up sleeping through the entire ordeal. Police say the man threatened to shoot everyone in the apartment if she didn't comply with his attack.
Detectives don't know how or why he chose this girl, and at the time there were no leads and the case went cold. But the break came recently, when detectives got word of a DNA match that led them to Dennis Wiseman. He was arrested at his apartment without incident, and detectives say it's the same apartment he lived in at the time of the rape, and it's not too far from the victim's apartment.
He's now in the Snohomish County Jail for investigation of first degree rape and burglary. Police say the suspect's criminal history includes prior burglary convictions but no sex crimes that detectives are aware of.
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I am glad they Got him .. Let see if he will get jail time ??
Lynnwood Washington is One hour 48 min drive " one way" from McCleary
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« Reply #1712 on: July 08, 2009, 07:36:57 PM »

Hi Monkeys
I am not sure if this helps = http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html

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Now hope has turned to anxiety and alarm among frustrated search teams - and the whole town, population 1,550.

The mother is also at a loss.
She says her daughter is upset about her recent divorce, but doesn't have money to run away - and has never tried to run away before. Her mom doubts at this point that Lindsey is trying to hide.

"If somebody does have her, I wish they would just drop her off somewhere where she can get to a pay phone and call 911 or call home, so that we can come and get her," she says, sobbing.

Melissa McCann, a family friend, said, "This is a small town. These things don't happen. And yet here they are. She comes from her friend's (house) a lot, so it doesn't make sense that she didn't show up at home. We're just baffled."

Lindsey's father lives in Tennessee. Police have contacted him, and he's not suspected of any involvement in Lindsey's disappearance.
Pimentel said it's strange that nobody saw anything unusual.
"Such a small community like this - you can't do much in a town this size without everybody knowing about it," he said. "Everybody in town knows she's unaccounted for."

Not sure if Melissa McCann is the woman that speaks in the NG interviews. NG does not personally interview her they just show " snippets" of this unknown woman talking .. for brief seconds.. Says she is Family friend but no name is offered that I recall. She has long reddish blond hair and is med complexion ..in the NG videos.
I will go look ..

oh DD you have Mail ..

 


The following is very troubling to me.  The implication is that Lindsey was approach by a stranger in a vehicle in the past and ... her mother is aware and ... even the LE is aware.

Considering LE's awareness is alluded to in mlachester comment ... I am inclined to believe her words ... words that can so easily be refuted if they do not reflect the truth.

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Reply #633 on: July 03, 2009, 04:17:15 AM


mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862715#msg862715
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« Reply #1713 on: July 08, 2009, 07:40:36 PM »

Please forgive me everyone for going through this again as I am still on the confused vine.  I just want to make sure I understand.

Josh, Kayla and Lindsey walk to Kayla's house.
Lindsey and Josh get in fight over bike at/near Shell. 
Bike gets left at Shell.
The 3 of them keep walking to Kayla's.
Kayla and Lindsey get under Josh's skin.
Neighbour A is visting a friend on Maple and sees the fight, sends Josh home.
Kayla and Lindsey make it to Kayla's house
Few minutes pass and Lindsey walks home alone back down Maple.
Neighbour A now on her way to work says she sees Lindsey walking home between 5th and 6th
Second Neighbour B - also says they saw Lindsey walking home in this same area.

Neighbour A - works for the county but not in McCLeary, does not live on Maple, was visting a friend. 

I am still confused how Neighbour A can see the fight (she was outside visiting with the other neighbour or just going to her car to hear it?) and yet we have heard nothing about the friend she was visiting confirming what Neighbour A saw and did.  I am further confused how neighbour A can be going to work , presumably from her home which is not on Maple and yet still confirm seeing Lindsey on Maple between 5th and 6th.  Maple does not apprear to connect to anything as you get close to Kara's house and from the images I would not think you could see down maple that far if you are comming off the main road or a side street to say it was Lindsey.




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« Reply #1714 on: July 08, 2009, 07:44:15 PM »


I am not a busybody. I just know how kids can blow stuff out of proportion and how quick kids are to go from screaming to clawing each other's eyes out anymore. I don't want any blood on my lawn.

If I hear a fight going on and there are not parents out there watching their children, I as an adult, have no problem stepping in and telling them to break it up and go home.



pink angel ... that would be my reaction too.  However ... the altercation would have to be out of control or have the potential IMO of esculating to a point that it is out of control ...  prior to intervening.

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« Reply #1715 on: July 08, 2009, 07:49:17 PM »

The reason I was asking where Josh went and if he went straight home etc is the person I have labeled Neighbour A in my last post.  If this person saw the fight that was bad enough for her to intervene, did she go back to Lindsey's house and speak to her mom about it?  Did she catch up with Josh somewhere and see if he was ok? 

Neighbour A really bothers me.
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« Reply #1716 on: July 08, 2009, 07:49:29 PM »

Northern  all of it ......... ALL of It.  Making everyone nuts Yes.
You can read it and read it and just does not add UP.

Ok one more local woman's comment - via the case
www.king5.com

I am posting this so people can see what are thoughts of those who live in town. This woman has her own opinions about brother Josh

Her name is " Mamahead" 
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor
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This heartbreaking story has effected so many people in our little county. Lindsey was a friend of my grandaughter and has broke so many hearts. Why has the mother not showed any emotion? We are not letting our children out of our sight. Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil? Give me a break. Lindsey and my grandaughter share the same birthday. Same day and same year. We are lighting an extra candle for her little friend on her birthday cake. For you Lindsey. We will celebrate your life no matter where you are God is watching over you and he has his arms around you. The reason it took her daddy so long is because when you are government property you go when they say. He was probably crazy till they let him go. Give that father a break. He at least has showed more emothion than the mother.Our prayers go out to you Lindsey.

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« Reply #1717 on: July 08, 2009, 07:54:30 PM »

the reason it bothers me about this particular person letting her go home by herself is not that she is walking two blocks, it is because this woman though the fight was bad enough to send josh home, she obviously was concerned about the fighting.  seems she would have called the mother or made sure lindsey was not going home to another huge bad fight if no one was there.  that is my point.  no one else knew they were fighting like that, kara didn't, the mom didn't, etc. 

either the fight was really bad or it wasn't. is how I see it, and if you think it is bad enough to butt in and tell someone's child they have to go home, then you should also be concerned enough to get ahold of the mom or make sure the fight is not continuing...otherwise it must have not been so bad.  so then why make josh go home
Good point, or she could be like a neighbor I have that has no problem telling kids what to do, because she is a busy body, and likes to interfere. If the fight was that bad, which I'm beginning to think it wasn't anything but regular brother/sister fights, she would have called the mom I would think.

I am not no rose's busybody neighbor. Smile

see we all have different ideas about how people act in certain situation, usually based upon what WE would do, so getting different people who think differently helps, so we can see that what we might think is abormal and way out of line for someone to be doing, is not out of line to someone else.   so... I guess maybe the lady was acting normal.  oh god help that woman if she ever told my kid to go home LOL Monkey Devil!

but I can see that others think that is okay and not abnormal so maybe to the lady it was normal too. 

sometimes I see thinks much differently than other people do.  I grew up in the wild mountain towns where you just don't go jumping onn people's kids.  either the kid will knoock you senseless or their parent will LOL
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« Reply #1718 on: July 08, 2009, 07:58:05 PM »

Northern  all of it ......... ALL of It.  Making everyone nuts Yes.
You can read it and read it and just does not add UP.

Ok one more local woman's comment - via the case
www.king5.com

I am posting this so people can see what are thoughts of those who live in town. This woman has her own opinions about brother Josh

Her name is " Mamahead" 
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor
Mamahead:
This heartbreaking story has effected so many people in our little county. Lindsey was a friend of my grandaughter and has broke so many hearts. Why has the mother not showed any emotion? We are not letting our children out of our sight. Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil? Give me a break. Lindsey and my grandaughter share the same birthday. Same day and same year. We are lighting an extra candle for her little friend on her birthday cake. For you Lindsey. We will celebrate your life no matter where you are God is watching over you and he has his arms around you. The reason it took her daddy so long is because when you are government property you go when they say. He was probably crazy till they let him go. Give that father a break. He at least has showed more emothion than the mother.Our prayers go out to you Lindsey.

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Deenie I am so sorry if my confusion is making you go GRRRRRRR.  It has been making me go GRRRRR for a few days now.  This Neighbour A person can move around quick and sure sees Lindsey alot in a very short time frame.   May be nothing, may be something.  Very few minutes from the fight till when she sees her again and yet the second sighting was her on the way to work.  IF she was just leaving her friend's on Maple then she went home and grabbed what she needed for work and headed out?  How can she see down Maple if she does not live there for the second sighting?

And OMG like DD said - what made Neighbour A feel she had a right to intervene?  If I felt that compelled you would bet your last dollar I would have called the mom (cell phone technology is a wonderful thing) OR gone straight to mom's house to let them know what just happened so the story could not change when kids got home.  Even better, if she knew Lindsey and Kayla , why did she not go straight with the girls the few house and speak to Kara as the fight just happened?
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« Reply #1719 on: July 08, 2009, 08:01:35 PM »

Please forgive me everyone for going through this again as I am still on the confused vine.  I just want to make sure I understand.

Josh, Kayla and Lindsey walk to Kayla's house.
Lindsey and Josh get in fight over bike at/near Shell. 
Bike gets left at Shell.
The 3 of them keep walking to Kayla's.
Kayla and Lindsey get under Josh's skin.
Neighbour A is visting a friend on Maple and sees the fight, sends Josh home.
Kayla and Lindsey make it to Kayla's house
Few minutes pass and Lindsey walks home alone back down Maple.
Neighbour A now on her way to work says she sees Lindsey walking home between 5th and 6th
Second Neighbour B - also says they saw Lindsey walking home in this same area.

Neighbour A - works for the county but not in McCLeary, does not live on Maple, was visting a friend. 

I am still confused how Neighbour A can see the fight (she was outside visiting with the other neighbour or just going to her car to hear it?) and yet we have heard nothing about the friend she was visiting confirming what Neighbour A saw and did.  I am further confused how neighbour A can be going to work , presumably from her home which is not on Maple and yet still confirm seeing Lindsey on Maple between 5th and 6th.  Maple does not apprear to connect to anything as you get close to Kara's house and from the images I would not think you could see down maple that far if you are comming off the main road or a side street to say it was Lindsey.






thank you very much.  you are the kind of person who like logic puzzles?   

very good.  I agree with what you say, it just is too weird to me.  its all possible but I think something is still screwed up.  might might just be me, but I question the whole thing
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