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Author Topic: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09 #1  (Read 566145 times)
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« Reply #400 on: July 01, 2009, 05:55:16 PM »

OK, you guy's are going to think I've been on SM too long  But I'm just throwing this out there...

Could Lindsey Baum's disappearance be related to Amber Dubois disappearance?

Similarities:

1. Both girls on-line users
2. Both girls disappeared walking a familiar route, and then vanished
3. Amber's case maroon pick up thought to be outfitted for some kind of construction/Construction at Lindsey's school
4. Amber's cell phone last pinged heading north (location undisclosed) we have all speculated that the phone was on I-5

Maybe it's something, probably nothing...but you never know.

its always possibly there is someone transient moving around all over, hit one are, drive 100's of milies and hit another.  choosing places by who they see or talk /stalk on the net. 

amber liked to write, so does lindsey. 

I always say never rule out anything no matter how crazy it might sound, because we are dealing with crazy people who will go to any lengths to find someone they feel they can grab. 

I personally believe there are murders/abductios all over the usa that are connected, so get an idea, brainstorm and start digging.   
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« Reply #401 on: July 01, 2009, 05:56:59 PM »

Thanks Pink you are the greatest. HOnestly it took me 3 months to learn my way around my little town, lol.

The LE isn't saying anything about an alternate route no do they mention 6th street.

It doesn't make sense that if she went up 6th street (this alternate route) and then the person seeing her at the end of Maple....almost to 3rd st.



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« Reply #402 on: July 01, 2009, 06:00:15 PM »

Hi my Monkeys in Lindsey's Cage.
I have not posted in Lindsey's cage but have been reading the News on her case.
I just read the article posted about incite on Lindsey, her family and area.

I have seen to that there is a woman here " Kara" who is posting on Lindsey/family/area's behalf. Good to have you here Kara.

My brain keeps going back to the Myspace accts. I just looked at Kayla's myspace. She logged in as of today, she changed her age to 100. I did see her myspace the other day and I can see " believe it or not" that she has added more stuff to her page. One that was certainly not there the other day a survey " Ask me any Bedroom question"  then shows a cartoon of a man and woman in a romantic pose.
Isn't Kayla 10-12 yrs old.. 
My Daughter was a myspace nut when she was younger .. 14 and up. She is now grown out of it *almost 19 now- and hardly uses her myspace. Yet my ex's daughter who I claim my own - she just turned 15 and uses her myspace as if it were oxygen. (she does not live with me) She has in the past posted some very suggestive things/pictures/verbage and I have called her out on it. I have told her to "remove" that Now. And she does what I say. I have no clue if her Mom ever checks her page... from what I have seen " I do not think so"  One time when she was 14,  she actually posted her phone number on the myspace bulletin board. put her phone number up and typed I am really lonely .. only Boys can call me.
I about flipped my lid. I told her that Every Single friend you have on Myspace now has your phone number and Anyone who is a friend of theirs too has access of it .. if they see your bulletin. I said to her " you just sent your home phone number to every possible freak in the world" .. with Your cute little photo. Listed phone number that anyone could look up her address.  After you post a bulletin you cannot retract it.
These girls could be posting OUT side of their myspace page - by sending out these bulletins into myspace land .. and their parents would not be able to trace them " Unless the settings are set for "saving them" within their personal account".

All it takes is one Moody Moment of a Young Girl who is bored, Mad, frustrated or just lonely and is seeking attention ... to type something and send it off into cyberland.
Its like Fishing. The girl throws the Worm " Her cute Picture and Message" out then catches the Freak...who most turn out to be SO's Men posing as teens and or preteens - to latch on and gain their trust. To develop and online friendship.
My experience with Myspace: ( Not throwing judgment at Lindsey's Mom)
When my Daughter had her account she was 14.. I had her password. And our computer was in the Living room ..not tucked away into her bedroom. * It does not guarantee your childs safety... but there was no way in hell that that computer would be in her bedroom. Otherwise she would be on it all night and talking to god knows who.   
I too would randomly pick on one of her friends and email them - and ask them Who are You? and not sign MOM..and I wait for them to respond. I would ask my Daughter who is this? If she didn't have a reasonable response I would delete them.  I knew most of her friends from her school. Or was a sibling of a friend ..the majority of her friends were all Girls. Which means nothing too .. anyone can use any photo.
These Girls do not understand the Power behind the Keyboard. They can't ..their kids.
I am praying for Lindsey.



I agree.

When you pull on Lindsey's page, her picture isn't on there but her real life name is. Right in the page title in your browser. You see an age, a name, she lists her town and any sicko out there now has target that can be tracked down. Sees comments about being scared, brother going to juvie and it "screams" problems at home.

It scares the hell out of me. 
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« Reply #403 on: July 01, 2009, 06:07:11 PM »

You should never use your real name online. Unless you need to do so for business. All the social network sites, use your real first name, if you have to register a last name come up with a nonsense-ical last name that you use for all sites and let your friends and family know, so they can find you to connect.

It's so important to protect your safety, even as an adult. If someone has your last name and town, they can track you down.




Kids should never use their names or list what town they are from, what school they go to, or any information that could be used to identify them off the computer.
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« Reply #404 on: July 01, 2009, 06:10:51 PM »

Thanks Pink you are the greatest. HOnestly it took me 3 months to learn my way around my little town, lol.

The LE isn't saying anything about an alternate route no do they mention 6th street.

It doesn't make sense that if she went up 6th street (this alternate route) and then the person seeing her at the end of Maple....almost to 3rd st.



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« Reply #405 on: July 01, 2009, 06:15:27 PM »

You should never use your real name online ?

OY! Chit...

Oh well Greta S. and Bill O. are in trouble too, I suppose.. lol

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« Reply #406 on: July 01, 2009, 06:16:40 PM »

I am not sure why that is now on her MySpace. I know it has been being monitored but she has not been out of my site except when I spoke with the FBI this morning which was right outside my door and I've not seen her take a survey. I know some dumba@@es like to send them to her and she has made poor choices in the past as to answering those things which along with the YoVille thing is why we banned her from having access to it freely.

I will be looking into that immediately (because I do try to check at least once a day so you should at least notice 1 log in a day). The computer that they are allowed to use in right next to mine on the same desk and only logged into when we log it in for them. But a good majority of the girls around here have each others MySpace passwords - that is how we found out Lindsey's - so I imagine a password change until we can disable the accounts may be in order. - I do appreciate you pointing that out though.

I agree that all the possible issues associated with MySpace were not clear to us simply because you think you are paying enough attention and what not but something like this does bring out the extra measures that can be taken to make online time a safer experience and I can promise that those will be implemented. Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.
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« Reply #407 on: July 01, 2009, 06:20:33 PM »

KaraK, would you know why Lindsey's aunt is making comments on another forum, that Lindsey walked all by herself, there was no little friend walking halfway with her? Thanks.
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« Reply #408 on: July 01, 2009, 06:24:52 PM »

Kara ... or a Monkey
I don't want to know her * name  ..just relation to Lindsey.
Who is this girl? I saw her pic on one of Lindsey's friend/family myspaces
I am getting confused
She likes to show her chest in photo's ( don't know what it is with taking pics in the bathroom)

http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5

I wish her Dad would see these - I think he would shut her space down.
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« Reply #409 on: July 01, 2009, 06:25:04 PM »

from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
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just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this
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« Reply #410 on: July 01, 2009, 06:26:28 PM »

Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.
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What you need to do is meet with the teachers and school board and talk to them about implementing a net safety class for parents and kids. Make it mandatory!!

http://www.netsmartz.org/educators.htm

They have programs here.
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« Reply #411 on: July 01, 2009, 06:27:23 PM »

from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
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just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this
I am so glad you brought this up, I thought I was making to much of that, but see that I wasn't.
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« Reply #412 on: July 01, 2009, 06:28:01 PM »

from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
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just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this

It says right there DD. She believes it's between midnight and one.
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« Reply #413 on: July 01, 2009, 06:29:02 PM »

Witching hour I thought was midnight to 3am.
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« Reply #414 on: July 01, 2009, 06:32:54 PM »

I am not sure why that is now on her MySpace. I know it has been being monitored but she has not been out of my site except when I spoke with the FBI this morning which was right outside my door and I've not seen her take a survey. I know some dumba@@es like to send them to her and she has made poor choices in the past as to answering those things which along with the YoVille thing is why we banned her from having access to it freely.

I will be looking into that immediately (because I do try to check at least once a day so you should at least notice 1 log in a day). The computer that they are allowed to use in right next to mine on the same desk and only logged into when we log it in for them. But a good majority of the girls around here have each others MySpace passwords - that is how we found out Lindsey's - so I imagine a password change until we can disable the accounts may be in order. - I do appreciate you pointing that out though.

I agree that all the possible issues associated with MySpace were not clear to us simply because you think you are paying enough attention and what not but something like this does bring out the extra measures that can be taken to make online time a safer experience and I can promise that those will be implemented. Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.
Kara if you know your daughters Email or " Username" (for any site) or any nicknames that are frequently used ... Try this site.
www.pipl.com
All you do is plunk in say " User name" and it will chase that name all over the internet and will pull up any site that has that User name attached. Same with with email, first last name as well applies.
I found myspace accounts that my daughter made when she was 12 ... Yes I did. She didn't use them for long. Maybe a Month. But I found this out from using this Pipl Site.
Its free, you do not have to login and you can use it as many times as you like. No strings attached. If I were you too ..chase your home phone number, cell phone if your daughter has one.

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« Reply #415 on: July 01, 2009, 06:36:00 PM »

Biggest online worries now are what to do elsewhere because as long as there is access to computers outside the home and free email addresses it is not always as easy as monitoring and throwing up blocks and such.
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What you need to do is meet with the teachers and school board and talk to them about implementing a net safety class for parents and kids. Make it mandatory!!

http://www.netsmartz.org/educators.htm

They have programs here.

http://www.ikeepsafe.org/iksc_educators/
http://www.radkids.org

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« Reply #416 on: July 01, 2009, 06:38:39 PM »

Thanks Pink you are the greatest. HOnestly it took me 3 months to learn my way around my little town, lol.

The LE isn't saying anything about an alternate route no do they mention 6th street.

It doesn't make sense that if she went up 6th street (this alternate route) and then the person seeing her at the end of Maple....almost to 3rd st.



I agree.

As of yesterday there was no mention of an alternate route and ... then there are the witnesses.

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Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
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Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2

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« Reply #417 on: July 01, 2009, 06:40:08 PM »

What is the Witching Hour?
   
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The witching hour is a time of night when supernatural creatures are believed to be particularly active, making it a prime time of night for witchcraft. Many people think of midnight specifically as the witching hour, while others more generally associate it with the dead of night, the dark hours when few people are awake and about. The association of darkness and supernatural activity is quite ancient, although the term “the witching hour” itself only dates back to around the early 1800s; terms like “the witching time of night” were used prior to this period.

Darkness has had mystical associations in many human cultures, perhaps because it is difficult to see at night, causing skewed perceptions of the world. In the middle of the night, people are also presumably more tired, and therefore potentially susceptible to events which may feel supernatural. Traditional witch doctors, shamans, and other supernatural practitioners have often worked at night, belying the idea that only dark magic is practiced at night.

Many people historically believed that the witching hour marked a period of greater activity by witches, demons, ghouls, and other creatures who are not of this world. In some regions of the world, people still try to avoid going out at night during the witching hour, while people who are interested in supernatural events may make a deliberate effort to be out and about at midnight or thereabouts. While belief in the supernatural is generally on the fringes of many modern societies, even pragmatic people have been known to comment that the depths of the night do sometimes feel a bit eerie and mysterious, especially during a new moon.

Members of the neopagan community may perform ceremonies at a late hour to take advantage of the belief that the connection between the supernatural world and the real world is stronger during the witching hour. The witching hour also crops up in many fantasy books, and people may jokingly refer to it in the context of a late night out. In many societies, people who are out late at night are often viewed with suspicion, due to centuries of superstition about the things that happen late at night.

One certainly need not be superstitious to believe in the witching hour. The late hours of the night often do seem to have a different quality than the early evening and the daytime, perhaps because of the lack of people and the darkness. The witching hour often reveals lots of creatures you never see during the day, such as owls, bats, and other nocturnal animals, and this perhaps explains their traditional association with witchcraft in many cultures.
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« Reply #418 on: July 01, 2009, 06:40:47 PM »

Kara ... or a Monkey
I don't want to know her * name  ..just relation to Lindsey.
Who is this girl? I saw her pic on one of Lindsey's friend/family myspaces
I am getting confused
She likes to show her chest in photo's ( don't know what it is with taking pics in the bathroom)

http://www.myspace.com/ebony_luvs_jerry5

I wish her Dad would see these - I think he would shut her space down.


how old is this girl?

she has umpteen boyfriends, wishing she could MEET someone, swimming at the ponds, is that the creek? 
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« Reply #419 on: July 01, 2009, 06:42:30 PM »

from article
Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.
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just how much does lindsey know about "the witching hour"?  what hours does she believe the witching hour is?  this could make a huge difference.  I would like to know which hours she thinks this is? I know most posters will not follow me on this, but there is a really good reason I ask this

It says right there DD. She believes it's between midnight and one.

well I know the article says that but just how much from where does lindsey really know about.  I'm just trying to figure out who she might know or have been around.
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