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« Reply #740 on: July 03, 2009, 04:58:21 PM »

I am off.

Have a nice afternoon Monkeys.

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Bye Janet  an angelic monkey  I don't get the dogs not picking up her scent, they had to, I'm guessing LE just don't want that released.


the dogs were my 1st clue.  Dogs do pick up scent.  your body gives off skin rafts.  they float all over.  they remain where you have been.  dogs pick up scent from them.  the only way there is no scent is "she never walked there or someone washed the whole street down LOL

the feds are on this, they know.  they just are trying to figure out where she was taken
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« Reply #741 on: July 03, 2009, 04:58:41 PM »

From reading all of this, and following as close as I can, it is obvious to me, someone is not being truthful or having trouble remembering what happened that night.

Yep every person to  have been in contact with or around this girl including friends both young and old  in town need to take poly's. jmho

There are different versions of many different things. I don't know if it's different stories, trouble remembering or crappy reporting. It happens in a lot of cases though.

Hi pink angel

I would agree with you except memory should not be a problem in regards to event that took place between 8:00 and 9:15 PM last Friday evening in regards to Linsey.  This little girl was reported missing by 11:00 PM.  There was no time for memory to fade for those who came into contact with her.  In my opinion ... recollection should not change.  If it does ... I begin to ask the hard questions.

IMO.

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I agree with you Janet. In regards to reporting though... I was interviewed for a couple of radio stations and papers in regards to Neveah's case. I'm just saying they often don't quote people exactly and often paraphrase what people say. Which can come across as a different story.
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« Reply #742 on: July 03, 2009, 05:01:34 PM »

I am off.

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Bye Ms Janet
Bye Janet  an angelic monkey  I don't get the dogs not picking up her scent, they had to, I'm guessing LE just don't want that released.


the dogs were my 1st clue.  Dogs do pick up scent.  your body gives off skin rafts.  they float all over.  they remain where you have been.  dogs pick up scent from them.  the only way there is no scent is "she never walked there or someone washed the whole street down LOL

the feds are on this, they know.  they just are trying to figure out where she was taken
I agree with you.
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« Reply #743 on: July 03, 2009, 05:02:47 PM »

Deenie, are you or me going to call the church and ask for Wayne? Where is that website. I will call! LOL!

They will either say.....WHO? or he isn't in right now. Either way we will get an answer if he is a minister there.

How do you pronounce his last name?
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« Reply #744 on: July 03, 2009, 05:03:39 PM »

NorthernRose timeline:

Thursday 25 June
Kayla spends the night at Lindsey's house

Friday 26 June
Lindsey and Kayla had been swimming all day at a friends house.
Lindsey showers and changes.They head over to Kayla's house to see if Kayla could spend the night again.

?Time(I'm thinking Lindsey's Mom stated somewhere what time they left the house to go to Kayla's house)~Lindsey,brother Josh and Kayla head over to Kayla's house to see if Kayla could spend the night again.The bike's chain is broke so Lindsey is walking the bike,gets tired and wants Josh to take the bike home,they argue,a family friend see's them arguing and sends Josh back home with the broken bike.

8:19- friends of Lindsey and kayla rented the movies the girls just happened to be with them at the time on the way to Kayla's.Also on the way to Kayla's the girls change their minds about who will stay where.They decide to ask if Lindsey could stay friday night at Kayla's because Kayla wanted to stay saturday night at Lindsey's house.

At Kayla's (9:10) - Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes
Or at Kayla's at 9:00PM,Lindsey stays about 10-15 minutes leaving at about 9:15PM

Leave Kayla's - She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.
Kayla either watches Lindsey go down Maple street a ways or.....Lindsey went up the hill on 6th street(and not down Maple)like Kara has stated.


So I think we now need Kara to tell us if Lindsey walked down Maple ST. or up the hill on 6th ST.Also.....if Kara knows if the girls went to the video store before Lindsey's shower/clothes change or did the video store trip happen on the way to Kayla's house.

Looking for you guys to comment about my observations here.

Does the timeline work OK this way?

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« Reply #745 on: July 03, 2009, 05:12:36 PM »

Deenie, are you or me going to call the church and ask for Wayne? Where is that website. I will call! LOL!

They will either say.....WHO? or he isn't in right now. Either way we will get an answer if he is a minister there.

How do you pronounce his last name?

Either Mr. Wayne lied to the reporter or the reporter got his church wrong. I just called the church and the lady said he is NOT a pastor/minister at their church. She has never heard of him.
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« Reply #746 on: July 03, 2009, 05:14:41 PM »

Maybe things are just not being explained too well, I don't know. It seems there are conflicting stories about Lindsey getting to Kayla's house, Lindsey leaving Kayla's house.

So Lindsey, Kayla and the brother all walked over to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night. On the way to Kara's house, Lindsey and her brother had a fight about a bike. The neighbor broke up the fight and sent the brother on his way. The girls go to Kara's house to ask if Lindsey could spend the night, Kara you said she couldn't, is that correct? I have a few questions if you dont mind answering...

Why did the girls just not call you to ask. I thought they were at Lindsey's house, they were not?

So was the brother going over to kara's house as well or did he just meet up with the girls? (I thought the  fight happened earlier in the day)

What is the story with the bike?

It is certainly your right, but what was the reasons you didn't want Lindsey to spend the night?

did Lindsey hang out for a little while or did Lindsey just leave? If she stayed, what did the girls do?

Lindsey left your house at about 9:30, correct?

Did Kayla spend the night with Lindsey the night before?

Thank you for answering what you can.




From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night. Kayla also said that she wanted mainly to be able to stay the next night (Saturday) which is why she (Lindsey)  did not push me to try and get me to let her stay.

They were at Lindsey's house right before heading to my house. Lindsey bathed and changed clothes because they had been swimming all day at a friends house.

The bike did not have a chain (it belonged to her brother) and she was pushing herself around on it (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

I did tell her no to staying the night as did my old man. I told her no because I was trying to write that night and we were suppose to go out the following morning to look for seashells (I wanted to try making seashell candles). When the girls are together they don't like to sleep and are very loud. - Scott (my old man) had said no because he works nights typically (not that night though) and has very little time home. And the time he usually is home our house is typically full with my kids (4) and their friends so he was hoping for some peace and quiet.

Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes but I don't even think it was a full 5 minutes before heading back home.

She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.

Kayla did spend the night at Lindsey's house the night before.

For another post: It was friends of Lindsey and kayla that rented the movies the girls just happened to be with them at the time. That was at 8:19pm.

Please let me know if I missed anything.

Timeline

Thursday 25 June
Kayla spends the night at Lindsey's house

Friday 26 June
Lindsey and Kayla had been swimming all day at a friends house

8:19 - friends of Lindsey and kayla rented the movies the girls just happened to be with them at the time

After 8:19 (8:29) ](lets assume it takes 10 minutes to get from video store to Lindsey's house)- They were at Lindsey's house right before heading to my house. Lindsey bathed and changed clothes

After bath 8:59 (is 30 minutes to bath and change closes reasonable?)- she was pushing herself around on the bike (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) If my timings are correct it only leaves 10 minutes to get from Lindsey's house to Kayla's house and there is no time to be pushing a bike around for some time.it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

At Kayla's (9:10) - Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes

Leave Kayla's - She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.

Looking for you guys to comment about my observations here.

Bumping this we can see how my origional timeline and Karma's fit in with what Kara had posted.
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« Reply #747 on: July 03, 2009, 05:15:27 PM »

Deenie, are you or me going to call the church and ask for Wayne? Where is that website. I will call! LOL!

They will either say.....WHO? or he isn't in right now. Either way we will get an answer if he is a minister there.

How do you pronounce his last name?

Either Mr. Wayne lied to the reporter or the reporter got his church wrong. I just called the church and the lady said he is NOT a pastor/minister at their church. She has never heard of him.

Thank you pink.   This is smelling familiar.
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« Reply #748 on: July 03, 2009, 05:17:15 PM »

Deenie, are you or me going to call the church and ask for Wayne? Where is that website. I will call! LOL!

They will either say.....WHO? or he isn't in right now. Either way we will get an answer if he is a minister there.

How do you pronounce his last name?
Hi Pink, I have the website .. http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/index.shtml

I guess you would pronounce it - Watt-knee .. Watne

I am still confused over that too. I mapped the church from Olympia to McCleary " I used Maple Street" and it is a 30 minute drive one way.  I just wonder if this is the same church. I would think in such small town people would go to a Church within their city and not travel out so far. Since everyone keeps saying it is a tight knit community.
I dunno 
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« Reply #749 on: July 03, 2009, 05:22:30 PM »

I have a question ..
Where is the Bike?

Does LE have it for finger prints ??

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« Reply #750 on: July 03, 2009, 05:26:53 PM »

Deenie, are you or me going to call the church and ask for Wayne? Where is that website. I will call! LOL!

They will either say.....WHO? or he isn't in right now. Either way we will get an answer if he is a minister there.

How do you pronounce his last name?
Hi Pink, I have the website .. http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/index.shtml

I guess you would pronounce it - Watt-knee .. Watne

I am still confused over that too. I mapped the church from Olympia to McCleary " I used Maple Street" and it is a 30 minute drive one way.  I just wonder if this is the same church. I would think in such small town people would go to a Church within their city and not travel out so far. Since everyone keeps saying it is a tight knit community.
I dunno 


Okay. I just called Callie, (she called me back right away, nice lady) who wrote the article for the Daily World. She is printing a retraction today because he contacted her. He is a missionary not a minister.

She thought it funny though that the church never heard of him though (re: my call), she is going to investigate further and let LE know this information.
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« Reply #751 on: July 03, 2009, 05:28:54 PM »

I have a question ..
Where is the Bike?

Does LE have it for finger prints ??



Josh took the bike home with him, IIRC Kara said.
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« Reply #752 on: July 03, 2009, 05:29:37 PM »

 I had a different church I had thought it was, then thought I was mistaken when someone said the other one.  let me get the one I had on the map.  I think it was up around pine street.  let me go find it.  it is on the map with all the red squares I made on it, somewhere in these threads.  LOL
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« Reply #753 on: July 03, 2009, 05:31:33 PM »

Deenie, are you or me going to call the church and ask for Wayne? Where is that website. I will call! LOL!

They will either say.....WHO? or he isn't in right now. Either way we will get an answer if he is a minister there.

How do you pronounce his last name?
Hi Pink, I have the website .. http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/index.shtml

I guess you would pronounce it - Watt-knee .. Watne

I am still confused over that too. I mapped the church from Olympia to McCleary " I used Maple Street" and it is a 30 minute drive one way.  I just wonder if this is the same church. I would think in such small town people would go to a Church within their city and not travel out so far. Since everyone keeps saying it is a tight knit community.
I dunno 


Okay. I just called Callie, (she called me back right away, nice lady) who wrote the article for the Daily World. She is printing a retraction today because he contacted her. He is a missionary not a minister.

She thought it funny though that the church never heard of him though (re: my call), she is going to investigate further and let LE know this information.
Thanks PinkAngel
What is the difference between a minister and a missionary,if you know?
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« Reply #754 on: July 03, 2009, 05:32:34 PM »

Deenie, are you or me going to call the church and ask for Wayne? Where is that website. I will call! LOL!

They will either say.....WHO? or he isn't in right now. Either way we will get an answer if he is a minister there.

How do you pronounce his last name?
Hi Pink, I have the website .. http://www.ecconline.cc/ecconline/index.shtml

I guess you would pronounce it - Watt-knee .. Watne

I am still confused over that too. I mapped the church from Olympia to McCleary " I used Maple Street" and it is a 30 minute drive one way.  I just wonder if this is the same church. I would think in such small town people would go to a Church within their city and not travel out so far. Since everyone keeps saying it is a tight knit community.
I dunno 


Thanks Deenie. I was impatient and searched your posts. LOL!

My aunt travels 45 minutes every Sunday to go to her church. She moved from that area years ago but is dedicated to her church. You never know.

He may well be a missionary for that church and the lady that I talked to at the church didn't recognize his name. I trust Callie will be able to find out more and she is putting him on LE's radar.
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« Reply #755 on: July 03, 2009, 05:34:29 PM »

gee my poor brain

the one you have is on pine
 
the one I marked on the map is on simpson north of maple
it is olympic christian center. 
but that might very well not be right either.

I read that evergreen was an offshoot of olympia christian something, so I had thought that was it, but I could have been wrong, and thought I was when someone foud the other one on pine street. 

might want to check out the one I found and see if he is there?
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« Reply #756 on: July 03, 2009, 05:38:47 PM »

I had a different church I had thought it was, then thought I was mistaken when someone said the other one.  let me get the one I had on the map.  I think it was up around pine street.  let me go find it.  it is on the map with all the red squares I made on it, somewhere in these threads.  LOL

He has done missionary work for that HarvetMoon group or whatever it was called.

A missionary is   someone who attempts to convert others to a particular doctrine or program - they help spread the word.
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« Reply #757 on: July 03, 2009, 05:39:41 PM »

DD,going by this website for Amy Mullins,it was a Steve H. Mullins who murdered her.


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2007:

On Monday, July 23rd, friends and family organized a search party of their own and found Amy's body near the back of the property where she had previously lived with her estranged husband. After the discovery of Amy's body, her estranged husband, Steven H. Mullins was taken into custody and booked on suspicion of murder. He is currently being held at the Thurston County Sheriffs Department on 1st degree murder charges. His bond is being held at 1 million dollars.

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« Reply #758 on: July 03, 2009, 05:43:57 PM »

Thank You Pink Angel

I just read again Karma's add ins .. the post above with the Blue font..
I feel guilty but this is not about anything but Helping to find Lindsey.
My wheels are turning in my head.
Reading this article that Pink just posted.
http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt

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Kampen moved to town in January from Arizona, and practically from the moment her daughter Michaela met Lindsey, they were fast friends. Brassy, sassy girls with big senses of humor, the two were practically “attached at the hip,” Kampen said.
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Going back to Karma/Kara
Kara refers to Scott as her old man .. so I am speculating they are not married??
I don't know.
Kara's myspace in AZ
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says single in 2008

http://searchservice.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=sitesearch.results&qry=Kara%20Kampen&type=People&orig=friend_finder-search&srchBy=All

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I may grabbing straws here, but who is this Scott ?
Why would he be upset..he must have been ..for it to be stated. It was not a simple conversation of his response .. just a flat out No. That Lindsey could not stay the night.
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Where am I going with this ..not sure. All I do know is that Men who are not Bio Dads act different and can be a mixed bag of emotions when it comes to children that take over their lives. Especially if they are paying for them to live with them or He lives with them and is the outsider... attempting to be a parental role.
Something is not jiving.

That and I have to say I so appreciate Kara adding info to the cage, I am not trying to point fingers .. I am trying to help Lindsey.


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« Reply #759 on: July 03, 2009, 05:44:57 PM »

DD,going by this website for Amy Mullins,it was a Steve H. Mullins who murdered her.


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2007:

On Monday, July 23rd, friends and family organized a search party of their own and found Amy's body near the back of the property where she had previously lived with her estranged husband. After the discovery of Amy's body, her estranged husband, Steven H. Mullins was taken into custody and booked on suspicion of murder. He is currently being held at the Thurston County Sheriffs Department on 1st degree murder charges. His bond is being held at 1 million dollars.



I think he is the father of the 27 year old one... I THINK, I did not make certain with a legal document, but both steven M and steven H are listed together.  it is the steven M 27 who is listed with her.  her aka is Bailey.
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