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Author Topic: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09 #1  (Read 272695 times)
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« Reply #1040 on: July 04, 2009, 09:25:17 PM »

For argument sake (not really cause I don't want to fight with anyone, I heart you all)

Just putting this out there:

Let's say mom or Josh had something to do with Lindsey being hurt or going missing. Where is Lindsey? Mom didn't have a car and Josh had only a broken bike.

The area has been searched.

Mom has passed a poly (or so LE has said) . Which she wouldn't have had she been covering for her son. I am sure one of the questions she would have been asked is "did you have anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance" "do you know anyone that might have anything to do with it" etc....


don't want to fight either but ron and misty (cummings) said they passed poly's as well and i thought you don't get 'told' if you passed or not...there is deception or no deception..sorry Monkeys but it HAS to work both ways.....just sayin'
I hear what you are saying, I'm not sure how that works if you are told or not.
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« Reply #1041 on: July 04, 2009, 09:26:58 PM »

i know i've said this like three times but i guess i'll say it again and see what anyone thinks....i get the feeling this could be a teenager or someone between the ages of 16-22 who may be an older sibling of one of lindsay's friends.... anyone else think this could be a possibility?
Very much this could be a possibility, I really think Lindsey knew the person.
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« Reply #1042 on: July 04, 2009, 09:28:44 PM »

Thanks for doing that DD  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #1043 on: July 04, 2009, 10:35:45 PM »


don't want to fight either but ron and misty (cummings) said they passed poly's as well and i thought you don't get 'told' if you passed or not...there is deception or no deception..sorry Monkeys but it HAS to work both ways.....just sayin'

My old man took one too and was told that he passed but I don't believe they are allowed to share that info until or unless it is released by authorities.
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« Reply #1044 on: July 04, 2009, 10:38:22 PM »

i know i've said this like three times but i guess i'll say it again and see what anyone thinks....i get the feeling this could be a teenager or someone between the ages of 16-22 who may be an older sibling of one of lindsay's friends.... anyone else think this could be a possibility?

This is not the first time that I've heard this mentioned. Someone on my work forum shared this same concern and I've been trying to find out which ones of their friends have older siblings. I'll keep you posted when I have some.


As for my previous post I don't know who those other ppl are that say they took the test so sorry I can't help there.
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« Reply #1045 on: July 04, 2009, 10:41:24 PM »

I have come up with some strange stuff on Erick the landlord.  Just to refresh everyone
JOHANSON ERICK O & JODI K own the house Lindsey's mom lives in .  Erick lives on Main street in Elma.  He is no stranger to court.

Johanson, Erick
Defendant  Thurston County Dist  24201  07-09-2003
2 Johanson, Erick
Defendant  Snohomish Superior  80-2-00391-5  01-31-1980
3 Johanson, Erick
Plaintiff  Thurston Superior  86-2-00791-9  04-16-1986
4 Johanson, Erick
Defendant  King Co Superior Ct  05-2-36517-0  11-03-2005
5 Johanson, Erick
Judgment Debtor  Thurston Superior  87-9-01023-9  07-31-1987
6 Johanson, Erick E
Defendant  King Co Superior Ct  -2-01707-  09-15-1975
7 Johanson, Erick O
Judgment Debtor  Thurston Superior  94-9-03014-3  10-25-1994
8 Johanson, Erick O
Judgment Debtor  Thurston Superior  95-9-00423-0  02-14-1995
9 Johanson, Erick Odin
Defendant  Thurston County Dist  69392  06-24-1992
10 Johanson, Erick Odin
Defendant  Tumwater Municipal  34954  04-17-1992
11 Johanson, Erick Odin
Defendant  Thurston County Dist  38095  01-14-1988
12 Johanson, Erick Odin
Defendant  Tumwater Municipal  34953  04-17-1992
13 Johanson, Erick Odin
Defendant  Thurston County Dist  C00256831  08-03-1998
14 Johanson, Erick Odin
Defendant  Thurston Superior  88-1-00395-9  07-19-1988

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist
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« Reply #1046 on: July 04, 2009, 11:07:51 PM »

I know you guys are really busy but someone just emailed me something that seems worth looking into and I thought I'd ask you guys since you seem to know what you are doing.

Is there any way to find out what kind of meetings these are that are being held? McCleary is Monday night but it could bring in outside people often enough to make the town familiar...

http://recoverycoalition.org/localgroups.htm
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« Reply #1047 on: July 04, 2009, 11:09:20 PM »

Kara

Was Melissa notified that Lindsey was not spending the night at your home and ... was walking home?

I was wondering how Melissa knew to be concerned that her daughter was not home by 10:00 PM.

Thank you.

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Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1
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« Reply #1048 on: July 04, 2009, 11:10:31 PM »

hmmm a lot of superior courts too. 
good info NR...
maybe we can find what for or more info
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« Reply #1049 on: July 04, 2009, 11:23:47 PM »

I know you guys are really busy but someone just emailed me something that seems worth looking into and I thought I'd ask you guys since you seem to know what you are doing.

Is there any way to find out what kind of meetings these are that are being held? McCleary is Monday night but it could bring in outside people often enough to make the town familiar...

http://recoverycoalition.org/localgroups.htm

looks like recovery programs.  basically they are like AA/NA, overcoming some kind of victimization etc.  they are christian based, meaning they are through christian churches who use prayer and GOD in the recovery process rather than ONLY a higher power in comparison to regular AA/NA or other victimization recovery
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« Reply #1050 on: July 04, 2009, 11:27:32 PM »

one more thing about recovery groups.  a lot of times people are ORDERED BY THE COURT to attend recovery programs, this is not only AA/NA, many of the christian based groups will qualify to the courts. 

many of the people who are ORDERED BY THE COURT to attend these group meetings have no intention on quitting whatever it is they are attending the group for; they HAVE to go to the meetings as part of their probation/parole. 

there is a chance these groups might bring in parolees to the groups or druggies or even sex addicts etc, who have no intention on trying to overcome their addictions.  this could be something which causes outside criminals, sex offenders, etc to come into mccleary, who otherwise would not be there.
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« Reply #1051 on: July 04, 2009, 11:31:00 PM »

I know you guys are really busy but someone just emailed me something that seems worth looking into and I thought I'd ask you guys since you seem to know what you are doing.

Is there any way to find out what kind of meetings these are that are being held? McCleary is Monday night but it could bring in outside people often enough to make the town familiar...

http://recoverycoalition.org/localgroups.htm

looks like recovery programs.  basically they are like AA/NA, overcoming some kind of victimization etc.  they are christian based, meaning they are through christian churches who use prayer and GOD in the recovery process rather than ONLY a higher power in comparison to regular AA/NA or other victimization recovery

Thank you. I tried calling the chief and he could not understand what I was asking he simply said that the church was not obligated to tell them about any meetings. But could not seem to grasp that I was asking if they could look into what type of meetings they were and if it brought in people from outside of McCleary.
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« Reply #1052 on: July 04, 2009, 11:31:42 PM »

here they tell you about it on there site,
yes, it is just like I said.

http://recoverycoalition.org/support.htm
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« Reply #1053 on: July 04, 2009, 11:36:11 PM »

I know you guys are really busy but someone just emailed me something that seems worth looking into and I thought I'd ask you guys since you seem to know what you are doing.

Is there any way to find out what kind of meetings these are that are being held? McCleary is Monday night but it could bring in outside people often enough to make the town familiar...

http://recoverycoalition.org/localgroups.htm

looks like recovery programs.  basically they are like AA/NA, overcoming some kind of victimization etc.  they are christian based, meaning they are through christian churches who use prayer and GOD in the recovery process rather than ONLY a higher power in comparison to regular AA/NA or other victimization recovery

I Agree.  They even list the 12 steps to recovery so either AA or NA.  Do SO's also go through a recovery program like this?
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« Reply #1054 on: July 04, 2009, 11:37:12 PM »

one more thing about recovery groups.  a lot of times people are ORDERED BY THE COURT to attend recovery programs, this is not only AA/NA, many of the christian based groups will qualify to the courts. 

many of the people who are ORDERED BY THE COURT to attend these group meetings have no intention on quitting whatever it is they are attending the group for; they HAVE to go to the meetings as part of their probation/parole. 

there is a chance these groups might bring in parolees to the groups or druggies or even sex addicts etc, who have no intention on trying to overcome their addictions.  this could be something which causes outside criminals, sex offenders, etc to come into mccleary, who otherwise would not be there.

That is exactly what I was thinking and on Friday nights meetings are held in Shelton and Olympia which are only minutes away but McCleary is a common cut through to get to both places. Depending on meeting length that may put people coming back through McCleary around that time...maybe?
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« Reply #1055 on: July 04, 2009, 11:37:30 PM »

I know you guys are really busy but someone just emailed me something that seems worth looking into and I thought I'd ask you guys since you seem to know what you are doing.

Is there any way to find out what kind of meetings these are that are being held? McCleary is Monday night but it could bring in outside people often enough to make the town familiar...

http://recoverycoalition.org/localgroups.htm

looks like recovery programs.  basically they are like AA/NA, overcoming some kind of victimization etc.  they are christian based, meaning they are through christian churches who use prayer and GOD in the recovery process rather than ONLY a higher power in comparison to regular AA/NA or other victimization recovery

Thank you. I tried calling the chief and he could not understand what I was asking he simply said that the church was not obligated to tell them about any meetings. But could not seem to grasp that I was asking if they could look into what type of meetings they were and if it brought in people from outside of McCleary.

wow, they are not going to even ask the church what type of recovery meetings they have?  unreal. 

for all we know they could have sex addiction recovery with mandatory sex offenders attending.  If I were you I would call the church yourself and ask what kind of recovery programs they have.  you should also ask them if they qualify to accept mandatory attendance for court ordered parolees etc.  Or you could call the probation/parole office and ask them. 

this is crazy the police will not go ask a church something gee is the church off limits or something?:
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« Reply #1056 on: July 04, 2009, 11:39:22 PM »

At the base of the page that I posted a link to it shows a closed group for sexual addiction but nothing else. So I don't know if we ever had any of those held here or not. I hope not.
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« Reply #1057 on: July 04, 2009, 11:40:38 PM »


wow, they are not going to even ask the church what type of recovery meetings they have?  unreal. 

for all we know they could have sex addiction recovery with mandatory sex offenders attending.  If I were you I would call the church yourself and ask what kind of recovery programs they have.  you should also ask them if they qualify to accept mandatory attendance for court ordered parolees etc.  Or you could call the probation/parole office and ask them. 

this is crazy the police will not go ask a church something gee is the church off limits or something?:

I'm going to try and contact the Sheriffs or FBI instead of local PD maybe I can get them to look into it. I'll let you know!
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« Reply #1058 on: July 04, 2009, 11:40:51 PM »

I know you guys are really busy but someone just emailed me something that seems worth looking into and I thought I'd ask you guys since you seem to know what you are doing.

Is there any way to find out what kind of meetings these are that are being held? McCleary is Monday night but it could bring in outside people often enough to make the town familiar...

http://recoverycoalition.org/localgroups.htm

looks like recovery programs.  basically they are like AA/NA, overcoming some kind of victimization etc.  they are christian based, meaning they are through christian churches who use prayer and GOD in the recovery process rather than ONLY a higher power in comparison to regular AA/NA or other victimization recovery

Thank you. I tried calling the chief and he could not understand what I was asking he simply said that the church was not obligated to tell them about any meetings. But could not seem to grasp that I was asking if they could look into what type of meetings they were and if it brought in people from outside of McCleary.

12 step programs are supposed to be anonymous.  Only your sponsor knows what you choose to tell them and no one can divulge that you belong to one except yourself.  I had a family member with a drinking problem and he went to AA years ago.  I doubt it has changed much.
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« Reply #1059 on: July 04, 2009, 11:42:52 PM »

a lot of sex offenders also have drug and alcohol problems and so the courts, parole/probation will order them to attend meetings. 

most of the time these meetings are in the evenings and it would not be uncommon for them to release out about 9 pm or so. 

I use to work with parolees, teens at risk etc, and they had to attend these meetings.  and a lot of the christian based groups do qualify for the court ordered ones.  I really think this needs to be checked out.
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