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« on: July 03, 2009, 03:31:51 PM »

What is Cryptology?

Cryptology is the science of coding and decoding secret messages. (Crypto is the Greek root for secret or hidden). It is usually divided into Cryptography, which concerns designing cryptosystems for coding and decoding messages, and the more glamorous Cryptanalysis, which is concerned with ``breaking'' cryptosystems, or deciphering messages without prior detailed knowledge of the cryptosystem.

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 03:33:53 PM »

Check out Melissa's BeBo Account name...
   Melissa Huckaby    <melmad888>    Female, 28

Hmmm.
I'm noticing a lot of 8's.  Melmad888; Cinderella888 (Myspace); Melissa was 28; and of course lil Sandra was 8.

DoubleD was gonna post a thread on Cryptology...

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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 03:41:49 PM »

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666 and 888

'This is wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666' - Revelation 13:18.

Most people know that 666 is the number of the beast. Who or what the beast is, or why he should have a number is less certain ground.

Not many people will have heard of 888. Surprisingly 888 occurs in the Bible verse immediately following the one containing 666, quoted above. However it is hidden in the verse rather than clearly stated, as I will be explaining later.

Bible Numericís

Numbers in the Bible have significance. Seven, for example, is regarded as the number of spiritual perfection and of God. Thirteen is often associated with rebellion and Satan. Six is particularly the number of man and his works.

How do we know the meaning or significance of a given number?

The significance of numbers is established by their use both in Scripture and in nature. God created man on the sixth day in the Genesis account, and on the seventh day he rested from his works. He appointed 6 days for man's labor. After 600 years Noah, whose name means Rest, ceased from work and entered the ark. These and other scriptures, make 6 the number of man and of man's works apart from God. The seventh day is the Lord's Day. The Bible, especially the book of Revelation, is heavily patterned on the number 7. This indicates that 7 is the number of God.

The meanings of numbers are further illustrated and established by the study of Gematria or the numeric values of words. The Greeks and Hebrews did not have separate symbols, such as 1, 2 and 3, for numbers like we do. Instead, like the Romans, they used the letters of their alphabets. In Greek alpha represents 1 and beta 2 and so on up to iota, which is 10. After that kappa is 20, lambda 30 and so on up to ro, which is 100. Sigma is 200, tau 300 and so on up to omega, which is 800. These values are shown in the table below. (The number 6 was originally the letter digamma which later dropped out of use.) This means that you can take the letters of any word or name, and add them up to get a total value for the word. That value is called the gematria. The name Jesus (IhsouV in Greek) adds up to 888.


Many of the titles of Jesus have the number 8 as a prominent feature or factor. KurioV (Lord) has the value 800. CristoV (Christ) is 1480 which has the factors 37 x 8 x 5. (888 is 37 x 8 x 3). Alhqeia (truth) is 64 or 8 x 8. Swthr (Saviour) is 1408 or 8 x 8 x 22. OdoV (Way) is 344 or 8 x 43.

KosmoV (world) on the other hand has the gematria 600. The kosmos is the sphere of man's works apart from God. Many of the names and titles of Satan, such as drakwn (dragon) and ofiV (serpent), have the factor 13.

Over the centuries much time has been given to the study of numbers. Both men of God and students of the occult have been involved. The number 666 has excited much interest and the 153 fishes caught in the net have probably had more than 153 different explanations.

Bible numericís and gematria are certainly not everyone's cup of tea; so don't worry if you feel they aren't for you. However, I believe some knowledge of the subject is necessary for anyone who wants to understand the book of Revelation. This is especially true for those wanting to understand the meaning of 666, the number of the beast and its contrast with 888, the number of Jesus.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 04:04:21 PM »

This from someone that goes by HunkaHunka

Odd, two high profile abductions of blonde 8 year old girls , days apart,
one in the San Francisco area and one in the Toronto area, both of them involving female abductors, Sandra Cantu went missing on March 27th, and Victoria Stafford went missing on April 8.

Sandra Cantu Missing March 27, 2009


Victoria Stafford went missing April 8, 2009

Lets imagine for a moment that these two incidents are more than coincidentally related. First , Sandra Cantu disappears, and it is later
disclosed that Sandra was abducted and raped with a foreign object
by 28 year old Sunday School teacher Melissa Huckaby, who happens
to be the granddaughter of the pastor of the church , by the name of
Lane Lawless, and the mother of a five year old girl.

While all of this is happening, a girl of the same age at the other end of the continent, near Toronto, goes missing. Both of the girls are into fashionable clothes such as Hanna Montana items , Bratz purses, etc. Victoria Stafford
is still missing
, and now due to be featured on 'America's Most Wanted'.
The last time Victoria Stafford was seen, was on surveillance camera near her school, being led off by a young female stranger.

Sandra Cantu is found dead, murdered under what could be considered the most unlikely of conditions , in the care of a female Sunday school teacher, while way over on the other end of the continent, poor little
Victoria Stafford is still missing.

Can you imagine a better way to instill terror in mothers and fathers continent-wide, than to set up this type of scenario, and all of it over the
Easter weekend, when everyone is home watching tv:
Both Toronto and San Francisco are massive metropolitan centers, guaranteeing the cases gigantic local and national exposure . Both of these are not cities, but megalopolises, amalgamations of cities, and both of the abduction locations are smack in the suburban middle of a similarly huge accumulation of people.

In the Sandra Cantu case, even the most trusted figures are now suspect. No one can be trusted, therefore no children are safe. Sandra
was killed inside a church, by a female teacher, and sexually raped to boot. Both of the girls lived in bland, peaceful suburban regions, middle-class, smack in the
center of gigantic megalopolises composed of several cities, and both
evidently betrayed by females in or near a care setting.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 04:04:56 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 04:05:43 PM »

oops sorry...
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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 04:13:05 PM »

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Numerology

Numerology is the study of numbers, and the occult manner in which they reflect certain aptitudes and character tendencies, as an integral part of the cosmic plan. Each letter has a numeric value that provides a related cosmic vibration. The sum of the numbers in your birth date and the sum of value derived from the letters in the name provide an interrelation of vibrations. These numbers show a great deal about character, purpose in life, what motivates, and where talents may lie. Experts in numerology use the numbers to determine the best time for major moves and activities in life. Numerology is used to decide when to invest, when to marry, when to travel, when to change jobs, or relocate.

Pythagoras, the Greek mathematician who lived from 569-470 B.C., is said by many to be the originator of much of what we call numerology today. The actual origins of numerology predate Pythagoras, the most popular being from the Hindu Vedas.  In the twentieth century, the old science seems to magically reappear in the form of a series of books published from 1911-1917 by L. Dow Balliett and it was helped along in the 30's by Florence Campbell, and within the next few decades a wealth of literature was available to the public. Indeed, if you look at the past 90 years, it would seem that the science has moved very rapidly.  But perhaps all of this was known at a much earlier time, and it was just hiding from us for a while.

 What the Numbers Mean

 

Different numbers define different characteristics.  Numbers can change for us throughout our lives but the numbers we were born with influence our character, behaviour, strengths and weaknesses.  Below is a list of what these characteristics are:

 

Number 0 - Limitless, Unity, Nothingness, Boundless, Truth, Purity, Love, All, Alpha and Omega, Possibility, First Cause, Unmanifest, Breath of God, Unified Field, Source, Space, Consciousness, Cosmic Egg, God.

 

Number 1 - Beginning, New, Focused concentration, Goal-striving, Action, Independence, Originality, Courage, Invention, Leader, Self-reliant, Ambition, Pioneer, Will, Conscious Mind, Positive.

 

Number 2 - Duality, Division, Polarity, Choice, Gestation, Cooperation, Service, Harmony, Support, Waiting, Diplomacy, Patience, Psychic, Intuition, Adaptable, Empathic, Partnership, Mediator, Comparison, Receptive, Helper, Collecting, Reproduction, Balancer of Opposites, Subconscious Memory, Positive and Negative.

 

Number 3 - Trinity, Union of Divine plus Human, Manifestation, Positive, Negative and Neutral, Expression, Subconscious Mind/Imagination, Creative, Optimistic, Enthusiasm, Expressive, Charming, Humour, Fun, Attractive, Friendly.

 

Number 4 - Practical, orderly, patient, logical, hard-working, loyal, builder, steadfast, frugal, responsible, earthy, planner, materially creative, green thumb, even tempered.

 

Number 5 - Adventure, change, freedom, exploration, variety, sensuality, unattached, curious, experienced, periodicity, knowledge seeker, knowledge teacher, traveller, imagination, child-like, playful.

 

Number 6 - Harmony, beauty, nurturing, love, marriage, family, responsibility, understanding, sympathy, healing, empathic, perfectionist, order, duty, comfort, service.

 

Number 7 - Philosopher, sage, wisdom seeker, reserved, inventor, stoic, contemplative, aloof, deep-thinker, introspective, spiritual, faith, esoteric, exotic, unusual, hidden, seeking perfection, ethereal, other worldly, enigma.

 

Number 8 - Achievement, abundance, executive, strength, self-disciplined, power, success, authority, psychology, entrepreneur, intensity, supervisor, provider, grandeur, material manifestor.

 

Number 9 - Endings, completion, humanitarian, compassionate, romantic, selfless, generous, philanthropic, loving, wisdom, idealist, artistic, spiritual healer, all allowing, other worldly, blending.

Common Number Sequences

111 - This sign is used to indicate that your thoughts are related to the start of a new cycle in your life.  What you are thinking about doing or changing is correct for the new phase of your life.

222 - This is a sign of confirmation that you are on the right path, doing the right thing and going in the right direction.  Continue with this train of thought.

333 - This sign indicates that your Spirit Guides agree with your thoughts and feelings and could be interpreted as a Cosmic 'Yes!' to questions you have asked or ideas you may have.

444 - This sign from your Spirit Guides signifies their disagreement with your thoughts and feelings and can be interpreted as a Cosmic 'No!' to questions you have asked or ideas you may have.

555 - When you see this sign a life changing thought or event has just occurred. You may not like it, or you may. Whatever the case your Spirit Guides are notifying you that a change in your life path direction has just occurred and it is time for you to change too.  Move with it, follow these thoughts.

666 - Your thoughts are out of balance right now, focused too much on the material world or due to mental or emotional imbalance.  This sign indicates your thoughts are not clear and you should not continue with this train of thought.  Let it pass.

777 - This sign indicates that a lesson has been learnt.  It is a sign of acknowledgment and achievement - you have learnt a lesson that your Spirit Guides want you to learn about your life.

888 - A phase of your life is about to end and this is a sign to give you forewarning to prepare. This number sequence may mean you are winding up an emotional, career, or relationship phase.

999 - Completion. This is the end of a big phase in your personal or global life. Your thoughts at the time of seeing this sign indicate that these thoughts will bring about the completion or end of a phase in your life.

000 - Unity with the Universe.  Your thoughts are in Unity with the Universe.  This sign indicates that your thoughts are in Unity with the Divine Wish for your life.
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 04:20:00 PM »

Hmmm
A Different take on things, for sure!  Reminds me of Luciferian Philosophy...Lucifer being the TRUE lightbearer....
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Satan Won War In Heaven Not Christians

    * From: Kharak87@xxxxxxxxxxx
    * Date: 30 Nov 2006 17:29:27 -0800

If god allows a *** child to be savior then all therin must be
damned and better off without him. If there is a mark of the beast then
christ is the mark of the beast. For the forbidence of him being
created and then him existing is the worship thereof666. There is
nothing wrong with Satan, he is only the appropriation of gods ***
children (christians 666). There are all those others whom claim Satan
is evil although Peter hates Christ just as Satan does and He is
considered a Saint. Though if god loves Christ why would anyone wish to
be with God. For if one must worship sin God must be Eve and the bride
he gives unto a man is sin. This means God is 666 and all his Children
is and are 666. Satanism is and must be 888 as this is Peter as
well
.All the Christians are deemed to be accursed forever(deut2:14). No
one stops to think as Christ being 666 for he is the beast that is not,
was not, and will never be. So all those fools who think of a second
coming of Christ, is the damnation of God and his worship of 666. For
everthing I have read means this is an executible offense and Satan not
God and the Christians won the war. There is therefore a need for the
lie of the fall and Jesus(eve) though truth be told these are the ploys
of God to damn all men in response to his losing the war vs Satan. God
is Abel, Satan is Cain, Cain killed Abel and Jesus(Eve) the second
coming is Seth. So why are there so many Brain dead worshipers of
Christ? There are more Churches than there are schools, what are they
teaching? Whoredom? Sodomy?Necromancy? All damnation the second coming
thus is your life being lost rather than God dieing for the second
time(Seth).

Although Christ was the son of Gabriel(holy spirit 666) to fall and
worship Christ is the exlanitive of the Devil telling you not to
worship Jesus. THe Devil (Ahithophel) is only telling you that God lost
the war in Heaven( which is a department of hell). There is no heaven
or Jesus so Continue believing in Jesus and you will remain in the fire
forever!

Abel 920 +80= 1000
Seth 912+88= 1000
Cain 910+90=+1000
God ?
Adam 930+70=1000
Lamech=777
Satan =888
Peter=888
Jesus =666
Eve85, 93 =925
Abraham= 175
Lilith 105+857= 962 Lilith of Satan
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 07:22:23 PM »

You may have more luck if you combine the numerology aspect with the NEO PAGAN aspect. I did in past investigations. You would not believe what people warp their twisted little heads around in the name of power plays of children. Check out Denver for one, pagan central.

March 21 - ish is their high holy day, and Sandra was killed (I'm sure in MLH's uber-world, 'sacrificed' is what she may claim she had no choice to do) - before sundown of the 27th - before the high holy week was up.

In the pagan myth this equinox is when their god begins to court "the goddess". I'd like to know (1) whether MLH had made a play date with Sandra the week before (2) WHY Sandra's friend at school that day of the 27th indicated Sandra was going to run away. No one has ever followed up on that.

In the name melmad888 that's Melissa Madison 888. In the Christian numerology tradition 888 means Jesus Christ spelled out in Greek, a HUGE thing with some.

So, do we have a Neo Christian Pagan sacrificing a virgin for the Easter/Pagan High Holy day triple witching celebrations?

Yup, sounds just about what "some churches like that one"  ARE REPUTED to have been up to.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 07:42:44 PM »

You would not believe what people warp their twisted little heads around in the name of power plays of children.

Sorry I forgot to put in this example of twisted little heads:
Lesbian 'vampire' lovers jailed for teen murder http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=112494&in_page_id=34

Also I forgot to put the #3 part of the 'triple witching' theory:
#3  In Celtic paganism, which some followers of 'Pagan Christianity' adhere to... there is an old tradition of human sacrifice which "they say" died out in the 19th century. That may be so for some, but not all, the repoting media is filled with ongoing occurences of such  worldwide.
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"There is enough evidence that we can say that the ancient Celts did practice and perform some form of human sacrifice. There is a great deal of evidence that these sacrifices were both voluntary and involuntary in nature and that the sacrificed were intermediaries that took the petitions of their people directly before the Gods of their clan. In another mythology one person's life is sacrificed so that a noble member of hierarchy would be healed of his terminal illness, thus showing a belief that one sacrificed would give way for another to be saved. The Romans recorded that Druids sacrificed humans, specifically condemned criminals often by placing them in human shaped wicker baskets to be burned alive. Archeological records reveal a number of sacrificial deaths, such as "Triple-deaths". In Triple deaths the victim was drowned, stoned, and impaled on a spear simultaneously; another form was to be blugeoned, garroted and drowned. "

So in addition to the triple witching aspect of the date of her murder, we have most likely a triple witching set of more than one MECHANISMS of injury which details are being withheld, so as not to INFLAME the public. If her death was not a quick one, that would inflame the public to likely storm the jail cell in which the witch is wishing she were dead.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2009, 08:07:55 PM »

Welcome Sweetie Pi !
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2009, 08:37:38 PM »

Welcome Sweetie Pi !

Thank you Klaasend, for the welcome. The Cantu murder is off the radar unfortunately.  Legal decisions today will keep it there, for better or worse.

My opinion: Whenever "religion" / "church" is involved the patterns of "sordidities" are very predictable but complex, as there are so many players/goals at work - money, control, providing product to remain under the radar...  but all that makes it easier. Various "church" elders who hold absolute power over their flock almost invariable devolve to pedophilia - incl. on their own, with the wives looking the other way.

I met the woman who wrote this:
http://www.mrm.org/leaving-the-saints  (check "Abrahamic Sacrifice", good book to read) ... and watched her carefully and drew my own conclusions which I will not state here, except that IMO she was telling the truth, but her healing was very far from over, IMO.

Those kinds of sordid events are often recorded regardless of whether the final goal is to put the product on the black market for the highest prices, or for theirown perverted reasons. The recordings are not necessarily done with videocameras per se.

We are never going to find out the true extent of what happened there from the powers that be. And that is just wrong, because unless the light of day is shed on cults like this, it will happen again.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 10:48:01 PM »

Sweetie pi, thank you so much for the information. I had wondered about this and had spoken to a few people regarding it. Your posts are very enlightening to me. Thank you.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 12:06:20 AM »

Glad this thread is finally up & going for Sandra's case... an angelic monkey
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CALIFORNIA OCCULT Murders                 USA             ...     ...     14+
aka    1972    1975    CA
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Verdict/Urteil: Unsolved

 

In February 1975, California's Department of Justice issued a confidential report stating that fourteen unsolved murders in the past three years had been committed by a single man. Six victims had been found near Santa Rosa, in Sonoma County; five were found in San Francisco, with one each in Redding, Marysville, and Monterey.

The murders were distinguished from a host of other unsolved homicides by similar disposal of the bodies and the killer's fondness for retaining souvenirs . The chain of homicides began on February 4, 1972, when Maureen Strong and Yvonne Weber, both twelve years old, vanished on their way home from a Santa Rosa skating rink. Their skeletons were found December 28, on an embankment near a rural road in eastern Sonoma County. The killer had removed the clothing and a single gold earring from each victim.

On March 4, 1972, Kim Allen, a l9-year-old co-ed, vanished while hitchhiking in Santa Rosa. Her nude body, strangled with clothesline, was found in a creek bed; there were superficial cuts on her chest, rope burns on her wrists and ankles. Once again, the clothing, handbag, and one gold earring were missing.

On November 21, 1972, 13-year-old Lori Kursa vanished from a Santa Rosa market. She was nude upon discovery, three weeks later, and the cause of death was listed as a broken neck. She still had wire loops in her ear lobes, but her earrings had been removed.

The killer shifted to San Francisco with spring, strangling Rosa Vasquez and dumping her nude body on May 29, 1973. Fifteen-year-old Yvonne Quilantang received similar treatment on June 9. Angela Thomas was found naked and dead July 2, but she had been smothered. On July 13, Nancy Gidley was snatched from a local motel and strangled, her nude body dumped in a high school parking lot. The "occult" angle surfaced that same month, after Caroline Davis was kidnapped on July 15. A runaway from Shasta County, she was last seen thumbing for rides on Highway 101, near Santa Rosa. Poisoned with strychnine, she was found on July 31, at the precise spot where the first two victims were discovered seven months earlier. On the bank above her body, searchers found a strange design arranged from twigs form two interlocking squares.

An unnamed described the sculpture as a witchy symbol understood to designate "the carrier of spirits." On July 22, 1973, the nearly-nude body of Nancy Feusi was found near Redding, California, the cause of death obscured by decomposition.

On November 4, the scene shifted back to San Francisco with discovery of Laura O'Dell's nude, strangled body. Therese Walsh, age 22, was hitching rides from Malibu to Garberville when she met her killer on December 22, 1973. Raped , hog-tied and strangled, she was dumped near the spot where Kim Allen was found in March 1972.

According to police, the same man murdered Brenda Merchant, at Marysville, by stabbing her to death on February 1, 1974, discarding her semi-nude corpse beside a rural road. On September 29, 14-year-old Donna Braun, nude and strangled, was found floating in the Salinas River near Monterey.

And so, presumedly, the murders ceased. A fifteenth victim, inadvertently omitted from the government's report, was Jeannette Kamahele, age 20, a co-ed who disappeared on April 25, 1972, while hitchhiking near Santa Rosa. Her skeletal remains were finally unearthed on July 6, 1979, hog-tied in a shallow grave within 100 yards of Lori Kursa's final resting place.

The "occult" theory's chief proponent was Sergeant Erwin Carlstedt, of Sonoma County. Impressed by the sticks found at one murder scene, he also found significance in victims being dumped along the east side of a road. In passing, Carlstedt told associates that seven women killed in Washington, between January and July 1974, had been abducted in the waning (sacrificial) phase of the moon. The 1975 report suggested that the killer was "familiar with witchcraft or the occult , because of a witchcraft symbol found during the Caroline Davis case and the possible occult involvement in the missing females in the states of Oregon and Washington."

Unfortunately for the Carlstedt thesis, all the victims killed in Washington were ultimately linked to the "Ted" case, credited to Theodore Bundy. (Research into Bundy's movements has exonerated him from all involvement in the California murders.)
 
Likewise, the reputed "witchcraft symbol" proved to be a piece of childish art, constructed by a small boy on vacation as a likeness of his family's car and trailer. Slayer Harvey Carignan has been suggested as a suspect in the unsolved murders, based upon a traffic ticket he collected in Solano County, east of Santa Rosa, on June 20, 1973. Again, no solid evidence exists, and one week later Carignan was claiming victims in the state of Minnesota, leading to his ultimate arrest in September 1974. He was in jail when Donna Braun was murdered, and the other bodies showed no evidence of Carignan's traditional resort to beating with a hammer.

An intriguing theory published during 1986, by author Robert Graysmith, credits the elusive "Zodiac" with these and many other unsolved homicides. The point is moot, until such time as a solution is discovered. In the meantime, we can only say that one or more sadistic killers may be still at large within the Golden State.
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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2009, 01:04:50 PM »

sorry I have been away from the sandra cantu case for a bit.  I have been over on the lindsey baum case trying to figure out where that girl is before time runs out.  ugh.

glad to see this thread, and sorry I did not get around to it, but urgency in missing persons when the first go missing, kind of overshadows the other cases. 

I am so glad there are people on this board who know there are "groups" of people out there who are committing murders etc.  These things need to be discussed. People need to be informed.  Trying to explain these things does not go over well a lot of the time.  I am always hesitant to blurt out what I think about this subject.  I have been called crazy so many times Monkey Devil!

I believe melissa is a "coder".  I have from the very beginning of the case.  I believe she is connected to someone who is involved in other murders and I have always thought there is a group whose stomping grounds include tracy cali and its outskirts. 

It's going to take some time for us to sort through all of this stuff with melissa and sandra's case. 


I had been looking for a "substitute" abduction.  I thought Sanda's abduction and the perp's "purpose" had went wrong ad therefore there could be another abduction/murder to take the place of Sandra.  After reading the above posts about the other girls I will look at those, maybe one of those is the "substitute"  ugh

 

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« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2009, 01:09:32 PM »

You may have more luck if you combine the numerology aspect with the NEO PAGAN aspect. I did in past investigations. You would not believe what people warp their twisted little heads around in the name of power plays of children. Check out Denver for one, pagan central.

March 21 - ish is their high holy day, and Sandra was killed (I'm sure in MLH's uber-world, 'sacrificed' is what she may claim she had no choice to do) - before sundown of the 27th - before the high holy week was up.

In the pagan myth this equinox is when their god begins to court "the goddess". I'd like to know (1) whether MLH had made a play date with Sandra the week before (2) WHY Sandra's friend at school that day of the 27th indicated Sandra was going to run away. No one has ever followed up on that.

In the name melmad888 that's Melissa Madison 888. In the Christian numerology tradition 888 means Jesus Christ spelled out in Greek, a HUGE thing with some.

So, do we have a Neo Christian Pagan sacrificing a virgin for the Easter/Pagan High Holy day triple witching celebrations?

Yup, sounds just about what "some churches like that one"  ARE REPUTED to have been up to.



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« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2009, 01:13:35 PM »

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CALIFORNIA OCCULT Murders                 USA             ...     ...     14+
aka    1972    1975    CA
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Verdict/Urteil: Unsolved

 

In February 1975, California's Department of Justice issued a confidential report stating that fourteen unsolved murders in the past three years had been committed by a single man. Six victims had been found near Santa Rosa, in Sonoma County; five were found in San Francisco, with one each in Redding, Marysville, and Monterey.

The murders were distinguished from a host of other unsolved homicides by similar disposal of the bodies and the killer's fondness for retaining souvenirs . The chain of homicides began on February 4, 1972, when Maureen Strong and Yvonne Weber, both twelve years old, vanished on their way home from a Santa Rosa skating rink. Their skeletons were found December 28, on an embankment near a rural road in eastern Sonoma County. The killer had removed the clothing and a single gold earring from each victim.

On March 4, 1972, Kim Allen, a l9-year-old co-ed, vanished while hitchhiking in Santa Rosa. Her nude body, strangled with clothesline, was found in a creek bed; there were superficial cuts on her chest, rope burns on her wrists and ankles. Once again, the clothing, handbag, and one gold earring were missing.

On November 21, 1972, 13-year-old Lori Kursa vanished from a Santa Rosa market. She was nude upon discovery, three weeks later, and the cause of death was listed as a broken neck. She still had wire loops in her ear lobes, but her earrings had been removed.

The killer shifted to San Francisco with spring, strangling Rosa Vasquez and dumping her nude body on May 29, 1973. Fifteen-year-old Yvonne Quilantang received similar treatment on June 9. Angela Thomas was found naked and dead July 2, but she had been smothered. On July 13, Nancy Gidley was snatched from a local motel and strangled, her nude body dumped in a high school parking lot. The "occult" angle surfaced that same month, after Caroline Davis was kidnapped on July 15. A runaway from Shasta County, she was last seen thumbing for rides on Highway 101, near Santa Rosa. Poisoned with strychnine, she was found on July 31, at the precise spot where the first two victims were discovered seven months earlier. On the bank above her body, searchers found a strange design arranged from twigs form two interlocking squares.

An unnamed described the sculpture as a witchy symbol understood to designate "the carrier of spirits." On July 22, 1973, the nearly-nude body of Nancy Feusi was found near Redding, California, the cause of death obscured by decomposition.

On November 4, the scene shifted back to San Francisco with discovery of Laura O'Dell's nude, strangled body. Therese Walsh, age 22, was hitching rides from Malibu to Garberville when she met her killer on December 22, 1973. Raped , hog-tied and strangled, she was dumped near the spot where Kim Allen was found in March 1972.

According to police, the same man murdered Brenda Merchant, at Marysville, by stabbing her to death on February 1, 1974, discarding her semi-nude corpse beside a rural road. On September 29, 14-year-old Donna Braun, nude and strangled, was found floating in the Salinas River near Monterey.

And so, presumedly, the murders ceased. A fifteenth victim, inadvertently omitted from the government's report, was Jeannette Kamahele, age 20, a co-ed who disappeared on April 25, 1972, while hitchhiking near Santa Rosa. Her skeletal remains were finally unearthed on July 6, 1979, hog-tied in a shallow grave within 100 yards of Lori Kursa's final resting place.

The "occult" theory's chief proponent was Sergeant Erwin Carlstedt, of Sonoma County. Impressed by the sticks found at one murder scene, he also found significance in victims being dumped along the east side of a road. In passing, Carlstedt told associates that seven women killed in Washington, between January and July 1974, had been abducted in the waning (sacrificial) phase of the moon. The 1975 report suggested that the killer was "familiar with witchcraft or the occult , because of a witchcraft symbol found during the Caroline Davis case and the possible occult involvement in the missing females in the states of Oregon and Washington."

Unfortunately for the Carlstedt thesis, all the victims killed in Washington were ultimately linked to the "Ted" case, credited to Theodore Bundy. (Research into Bundy's movements has exonerated him from all involvement in the California murders.)
 
Likewise, the reputed "witchcraft symbol" proved to be a piece of childish art, constructed by a small boy on vacation as a likeness of his family's car and trailer. Slayer Harvey Carignan has been suggested as a suspect in the unsolved murders, based upon a traffic ticket he collected in Solano County, east of Santa Rosa, on June 20, 1973. Again, no solid evidence exists, and one week later Carignan was claiming victims in the state of Minnesota, leading to his ultimate arrest in September 1974. He was in jail when Donna Braun was murdered, and the other bodies showed no evidence of Carignan's traditional resort to beating with a hammer.

An intriguing theory published during 1986, by author Robert Graysmith, credits the elusive "Zodiac" with these and many other unsolved homicides. The point is moot, until such time as a solution is discovered. In the meantime, we can only say that one or more sadistic killers may be still at large within the Golden State.


this is one of the cases I have researched and studied over the years.  Anyone with some time to really look at these cases, it will help you see what might be going on.  there are a lot of similarities with many of these cali cases.  These old cali murders can give you a lot of insight.
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« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2009, 01:21:24 PM »

the thing about most of these other cali cases is there is so much misinformation out there.  So you have to be really careful what you use as sources to understand them.  I have found it is more helpful to just study the case docs and come to your own understanding rather than read books where they steer you in the direction who THEY want to be the perp. 

looking at the docs for the sonoma murders, zodiac, btk, fishhead beach murders, michigan murders, etc; comparing things in the actual docs and mapping these things.  Paying close attention to location names, dates, etc.  a Pattern will develop.  then when you take a look at a new case and you see the same patterns you can start to predict where that case is going.  Most people will boo-ha-ha this thinking, but I'll never be convinced otherwise.  I have seen too much of it... so much so, cases are very predictable right off.
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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2009, 01:31:23 PM »

the thing about most of these other cali cases is there is so much misinformation out there.  So you have to be really careful what you use as sources to understand them.  I have found it is more helpful to just study the case docs and come to your own understanding rather than read books where they steer you in the direction who THEY want to be the perp. 

looking at the docs for the sonoma murders, zodiac, btk, fishhead beach murders, michigan murders, etc; comparing things in the actual docs and mapping these things.  Paying close attention to location names, dates, etc.  a Pattern will develop.  then when you take a look at a new case and you see the same patterns you can start to predict where that case is going.  Most people will boo-ha-ha this thinking, but I'll never be convinced otherwise.  I have seen too much of it... so much so, cases are very predictable right off.
Hey DD!!!!
Great to see you ...
I was hoping you would have some amazing insight (as usual).  I will keep those cases in mind!  And stick with the documents....I thought that doc on the unsolved crimes in California was most interesting!

When you get a chance can you take a *Purks walk*...
I want to see if you think there are really connections with the Coopers, Johnson's & Harris"....
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