Caylee Marie Anthony # 142 7/23/09 - 8/5/09

[crazybabyborg]

It's after 5:00! Where's George?

[Fanny Mae]

Of course none of the Anthonys ever thought that Casey would/could murder little Caylee, but imo they were aware of her very short fuse and also of her devious habit of malignant lying.   To have provided a real babysitter/playskool/daycare during the week for Caylee would have eased matters, imo, and perhaps maybe Casey could have spent her time more productively: ie. finishing high school, going to college, getting a real job, etc.   Addressing her lying should have been a top priority - that is serious.

Yes, it should have been, but I think it was easier to avoid and not look at any of the things Casey was doing, I believe they were afraid of Casey.

I think Casey used Caylee as her trump card and that did scare Cindy.  Cindy knew she had no legal right to Caylee. 

MIKI probably didn't have legal rights either, but she still did something anyway. JMO

MIKI had a case!!  Casey was not on drugs!!  DCF would not have removed Caylee from Casey for lying and stealing!  If that were the case, we all better all open our homes up because a lot of children would be removed.

Judges do not like to remove children from their mothers.  Reunification is a priority in FLorida.  I have worked in the system and have been through Florida Family court system.  Both are very broken, IMO!!

We will just need to agree to disagree.   

You said yourself we bring our life experiences here. You said you worked for the DFC at one time. The DFC in Florida doesn't have such a good track history, nor can I think of a state where it does. You said you had to deal with all this and spent $200,000 to do it. But you did what you had to do. That is my point.

There is a little boy lieing dead in a morgue in Idaho right now because of the Child Protective Services and the Court System. It sucks, big time! How much anyone did to overcome their bad decisions, I do not know. All I know is someone has to make the effort, no matter what. If we won't, who will?

I said earlier I did not want to debate this with you. I admire and respect you. We will not engage futher about this. I do not want to ruin a relationship with you or anyone else here on SM. I have my view, and you have yours. We will really leave it here and respect the fact that we all don't agree. 

[SunnyinTX]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo  it looks like conman snuck in without being interviewed and without georgie's assistance

[mytime]

Sunny, I agree with you, I honestly don't believe they thought Casey was capable of murder. They knew she had major problems, but I doubt if murder entered their minds.

What parent really could think their child was capable of murdering her own beautiful baby??  That would be a tough thing to accept.  IMO

Read my post #1717 on page 86.

Fanny, we all bring our own personal experiences to this board.  It appears you have great kids and grandkids and have done a great job.

However, that is not always the case.  I have a story that would curl your hair.  Sometimes, life is not that easy for everyone.  Not all parents have control over their kids and not from a lack of trying.  Not always is good help available to the average household.

Again, I am not defending the Anthony's.  They truly make me ill.  I personally don't want to judge their life before Caylee died because I do not know all the facts to base my opinion on.  However, I would agree - their actions have despicable after the fact.

P.S.  Denial is not just a river. It is a very real emotion.   

I get you, MT. Not all things are equal, and your experience is really different. George and Cindy had Casey from day one. You didn't............. that's a big difference. It's also true that some kids are born more of a challenge. Knowing more than I can post, I'll just say that Cindy and George are not in your league as a parent. No way.

ALL parents need the ability to put their children's well being above their own. Sometimes that means making hard decisions and making it hard for kids to continue on a given path, and protecting others from them; even their own children.

Thank you but....LOL!!  Look at PT - he was in such denial!!  Does that make him a bad father??  Not in my opinion!!

I think we can all agree on this -

Casey killed Casey!
Cindy and George are protecting Casey.
Cindy and George have acted in a despicable manner.
Caylee deserves far more respect!!

 

[KarmaRoundUp]

Sunny, I agree with you, I honestly don't believe they thought Casey was capable of murder. They knew she had major problems, but I doubt if murder entered their minds.

What parent really could think their child was capable of murdering her own beautiful baby??  That would be a tough thing to accept.  IMO

I totally agree, I can't imagine a parent's mind going in that direction.

I agree, too. I do find it interesting that at the moment Cindy was faced with Casey's story, she did go there, though. "It smells like a dead body has been in the damn car.........."

I think the gap of possibility was bridging pretty quickly. I can't swear that Cindy had Casey in mind with that statement, but I think the possibility that Caylee was dead and that Casey was involved was most definitely in her mind at that moment.

Even George said that the smell from the car caused him to be wary when the trunk was opened, hoping it wasn't his daughter or grandaughter. Of course, at that point, they were on it. Cindy got serious about finding Casey.

And cindy also got serious about covering up the crime.

[A_News_Junkie_Monkey]

It's after 5:00! Where's George?

We are being kept in the dark today.  Looks like if conman is talking he finally showed up.  But, did they eat lunch?  No lunch tapes? 

[joesamas mama]

Of course none of the Anthonys ever thought that Casey would/could murder little Caylee, but imo they were aware of her very short fuse and also of her devious habit of malignant lying.   To have provided a real babysitter/playskool/daycare during the week for Caylee would have eased matters, imo, and perhaps maybe Casey could have spent her time more productively: ie. finishing high school, going to college, getting a real job, etc.   Addressing her lying should have been a top priority - that is serious.

Yes, it should have been, but I think it was easier to avoid and not look at any of the things Casey was doing, I believe they were afraid of Casey.

I think Casey used Caylee as her trump card and that did scare Cindy.  Cindy knew she had no legal right to Caylee. 

MIKI probably didn't have legal rights either, but she still did something anyway. JMO

MIKI had a case!!  Casey was not on drugs!!  DCF would not have removed Caylee from Casey for lying and stealing!  If that were the case, we all better all open our homes up because a lot of children would be removed.

Judges do not like to remove children from their mothers.  Reunification is a priority in FLorida.  I have worked in the system and have been through Florida Family court system.  Both are very broken, IMO!!

We will just need to agree to disagree.   

As it is here in Texas. My best friend just got custody of her great nephew on Monday. Had it not for the father being arrested Thursday before court for meth (he never had a drug charge or tested positive), the state would have never granted full custody of him and his brothers. It's is all about reunification and sending the kids back to their parents. 

[Fanny Mae]

Of course none of the Anthonys ever thought that Casey would/could murder little Caylee, but imo they were aware of her very short fuse and also of her devious habit of malignant lying.   To have provided a real babysitter/playskool/daycare during the week for Caylee would have eased matters, imo, and perhaps maybe Casey could have spent her time more productively: ie. finishing high school, going to college, getting a real job, etc.   Addressing her lying should have been a top priority - that is serious.

Yes, it should have been, but I think it was easier to avoid and not look at any of the things Casey was doing, I believe they were afraid of Casey.

I think Casey used Caylee as her trump card and that did scare Cindy.  Cindy knew she had no legal right to Caylee. 

MIKI probably didn't have legal rights either, but she still did something anyway. JMO

No I didn't have any legal rights but at the time I didn't know or care and I was quite willing to have her arrested if it went that far.

I know you would have, MIKI. And I imagine looking back it was the scariest moment in your life.   

[SunnyinTX]

I think we can all agree on this -

Casey killed Casey!
Cindy and George are protecting Casey.
Cindy and George have acted in a despicable manner.
Caylee deserves far more respect!!

 

 

[mytime]

Of course none of the Anthonys ever thought that Casey would/could murder little Caylee, but imo they were aware of her very short fuse and also of her devious habit of malignant lying.   To have provided a real babysitter/playskool/daycare during the week for Caylee would have eased matters, imo, and perhaps maybe Casey could have spent her time more productively: ie. finishing high school, going to college, getting a real job, etc.   Addressing her lying should have been a top priority - that is serious.

Yes, it should have been, but I think it was easier to avoid and not look at any of the things Casey was doing, I believe they were afraid of Casey.

I think Casey used Caylee as her trump card and that did scare Cindy.  Cindy knew she had no legal right to Caylee. 

MIKI probably didn't have legal rights either, but she still did something anyway. JMO

MIKI had a case!!  Casey was not on drugs!!  DCF would not have removed Caylee from Casey for lying and stealing!  If that were the case, we all better all open our homes up because a lot of children would be removed.

Judges do not like to remove children from their mothers.  Reunification is a priority in FLorida.  I have worked in the system and have been through Florida Family court system.  Both are very broken, IMO!!

We will just need to agree to disagree.   

You said yourself we bring our life experiences here. You said you worked for the DFC at one time. The DFC in Florida doesn't have such a good track history, nor can I think of a state where it does. You said you had to deal with all this and spent $200,000 to do it. But you did what you had to do. That is my point.

There is a little boy lieing dead in a morgue in Idaho right now because of the Child Protective Services and the Court System. It sucks, big time! How much anyone did to overcome their bad decisions, I do not know. All I know is someone has to make the effort, no matter what. If we won't, who will?

I said earlier I did not want to debate this with you. I admire and respect you. We will not engage futher about this. I do not want to ruin a relationship with you or anyone else here on SM. I have my view, and you have yours. We will really leave it here and respect the fact that we all don't agree. 

Now I agree with you!! LOL

You can disagree with me...I know I am wrong a lot.  I also know that I have gone a little soft because I have taken too much time off from this thread. 

Maybe I am denial and just don't want to believe Caylee's death could have been prevented by her own grandparents!  I dispise them enough already!!   

[no rose colored glasses]

But why are the Anthonys behaving in such a horrific way? Do they feel guilt for what Casey had become and for what Casey did to Caylee? There is something missing here, there is more to the story, imo. The only thing logical in my eyes is they are also covering for something else, I don't know what the something else is. Is Casey holding something over her mom and dad's head for them to be behaving in such a manner? These people just drive me nuts, but I believe there is more to this terrible situation.

[mytime]

But why are the Anthonys behaving in such a horrific way? Do they feel guilt for what Casey had become and for what Casey did to Caylee? There is something missing here, there is more to the story, imo. The only thing logical in my eyes is they are also covering for something else, I don't know what the something else is. Is Casey holding something over her mom and dad's head for them to be behaving in such a manner? These people just drive me nuts, but I believe there is more to this terrible situation.

I hope you are right!  I can't imagine the Anthony's could have gone under the radar for so long!   

[Miki Monkey]

Of course none of the Anthonys ever thought that Casey would/could murder little Caylee, but imo they were aware of her very short fuse and also of her devious habit of malignant lying.   To have provided a real babysitter/playskool/daycare during the week for Caylee would have eased matters, imo, and perhaps maybe Casey could have spent her time more productively: ie. finishing high school, going to college, getting a real job, etc.   Addressing her lying should have been a top priority - that is serious.

Yes, it should have been, but I think it was easier to avoid and not look at any of the things Casey was doing, I believe they were afraid of Casey.

I think Casey used Caylee as her trump card and that did scare Cindy.  Cindy knew she had no legal right to Caylee. 

MIKI probably didn't have legal rights either, but she still did something anyway. JMO

No I didn't have any legal rights but at the time I didn't know or care and I was quite willing to have her arrested if it went that far.

I know you would have, MIKI. And I imagine looking back it was the scariest moment in your life.   

Yes..it was I thought I would lose them both, I never thought I could end up being arrested too  I don't regret it for a moment. I feel I got really lucky in the end.

[no rose colored glasses]

But why are the Anthonys behaving in such a horrific way? Do they feel guilt for what Casey had become and for what Casey did to Caylee? There is something missing here, there is more to the story, imo. The only thing logical in my eyes is they are also covering for something else, I don't know what the something else is. Is Casey holding something over her mom and dad's head for them to be behaving in such a manner? These people just drive me nuts, but I believe there is more to this terrible situation.

I hope you are right!  I can't imagine the Anthony's could have gone under the radar for so long!   

I just don't know what to think anymore with this, I can understand wanting to be supportive of your daughter, but to completely ruin your own lives in the process, makes no sense to me. I asked in the beginning of this case, did anyone really love Caylee in that family, and I guess the best they could love her they did. Are they just trying to save Casey, because they can't save Caylee? I just believe they are hiding something, something disturbing, or maybe it is easier for me to think that way, to try to make a little sense out of all of this 

[KarmaRoundUp]

Depo update:

Miki~5PM thursday
CBB~high noon thursday
Gypsy~till lunch thursday
Northern~dark wed. or 5PM thursday
NewsJunkie~2PM thursday or till dark wed.
Karma~2PM wednesday
 

[Miki Monkey]

But why are the Anthonys behaving in such a horrific way? Do they feel guilt for what Casey had become and for what Casey did to Caylee? There is something missing here, there is more to the story, imo. The only thing logical in my eyes is they are also covering for something else, I don't know what the something else is. Is Casey holding something over her mom and dad's head for them to be behaving in such a manner? These people just drive me nuts, but I believe there is more to this terrible situation.

I hope you are right!  I can't imagine the Anthony's could have gone under the radar for so long!   

I agree, there is more to this tale than is being told...I remember KC saying "don't worry I didn't tell them anything" to Lee, I have often wondered what that "anything" was. I don't doubt there is some unexplained reasoning behind George and Cindy's behavior, no parent no matter how despicable acts in a manner so atrocious that the whole country despises them.

[no rose colored glasses]

But why are the Anthonys behaving in such a horrific way? Do they feel guilt for what Casey had become and for what Casey did to Caylee? There is something missing here, there is more to the story, imo. The only thing logical in my eyes is they are also covering for something else, I don't know what the something else is. Is Casey holding something over her mom and dad's head for them to be behaving in such a manner? These people just drive me nuts, but I believe there is more to this terrible situation.

I hope you are right!  I can't imagine the Anthony's could have gone under the radar for so long!   

I agree, there is more to this tale than is being told...I remember KC saying "don't worry I didn't tell them anything" to Lee, I have often wondered what that "anything" was. I don't doubt there is some unexplained reasoning behind George and Cindy's behavior, no parent no matter how despicable acts in a manner so atrocious that the whole country despises them.

Exactly, and I for one am going to go completely nuts trying to figure this family out. I should just stop thinking about them, but I can't. Have never seen a family like this before. I thought Jackie Peterson was bad, compared to Cindy she is a saint. 

[mytime]

But why are the Anthonys behaving in such a horrific way? Do they feel guilt for what Casey had become and for what Casey did to Caylee? There is something missing here, there is more to the story, imo. The only thing logical in my eyes is they are also covering for something else, I don't know what the something else is. Is Casey holding something over her mom and dad's head for them to be behaving in such a manner? These people just drive me nuts, but I believe there is more to this terrible situation.

I hope you are right!  I can't imagine the Anthony's could have gone under the radar for so long!   

I agree, there is more to this tale than is being told...I remember KC saying "don't worry I didn't tell them anything" to Lee, I have often wondered what that "anything" was. I don't doubt there is some unexplained reasoning behind George and Cindy's behavior, no parent no matter how despicable acts in a manner so atrocious that the whole country despises them.

Exactly, and I for one am going to go completely nuts trying to figure this family out. I should just stop thinking about them, but I can't. Have never seen a family like this before. I thought Jackie Peterson was bad, compared to Cindy she is a saint. 

    and Jackie was bad!! 

[MuffyBee]

It's after 5:00! Where's George?

Maybe doing another costume change?  Perhaps something more along the lines of evening attire?   

[no rose colored glasses]

It's after 5:00! Where's George?

Maybe doing another costume change?  Perhaps something more along the lines of evening attire?   

Anything is better than wearing Cindy's shorts