Lindsey Baum #2 7/10/09 - 7/28/09

[doubledecker]

I just want to know why no one is helping!!!!  we need a MEAN LOOK button GRRRRR 

seriously why is no one helping with this?  what is wrong with people.  Lindsey could still be alive and out somewhere with these monsterous people/person, going through who knows what, and people are sitting around thinking well maybe it is better they don't get involved  WTH !!!  let it be their child and see how they would feel.  This is about Lindsey getting some help, NOT KARA... I don't know why people are not helping her, who cares what the reason is for not helping KARA< but can't they see beyond that and help LINDSEY.  If I lived up there I would go kick some (^(^(@yohhyh@(t(t%(@*^r*_ ABOUT NOW.  grrr..
sorry but I have known about this for some time and I am just plain furious that SOME people will act like this.

okay I 'm not saying anymore about this, I am just straight up MAD

DD ... I believe the residence of McCleary suspect what happened to Lindsey Baum but are not as outspoken in their suspicions as a former Mccleary residence.

IMO.

Janet

even so, no matter what they suspect, Lindsey is still missing, she might be alive, she might not be alive, but still someone should be out there looking for her.  There just is no excuse whatsoever for people not want to help look for her no matter who they think did this and nor matter if they even believe she is not alive.  She still needs to be found.  I just don't understand people.  ugh. 

[Tamikosmom]

Considering Melissa Baum has passed a polygraph in regards to her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter ... I will go out on a limb and suggest that she is between a rock and a hard place concerning whether she truly desires the truth to be exposed.

Just speculating.

Janet

[pink angel]

one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.

DD there was some talk about how some of the locals have been turned off by the over aggressive attempts by certain people trying to obtain donations in Lindsey's name. Which is a shame because the locals are the ones that might hold the clues to what happened to Lindsey.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3956526&postcount=8
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3986591&postcount=682

[doubledecker]

just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.

I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.

okay I am a total liar, I am still on this subject ugh... yes I think that is one of the reasons, they don't like someone so they are not about to help.  then we have the OTHER people(they know who they are) just don't want to get INVOLVED>  why would someone feel they should not get involved.  who are they worried about?

see something is just wrong here.  maybe they should take the search center to ELMA... where are all the church people, can't they find a building?  you know, all those people who are home praying>  Well sorry, but if someone is praying for God to help, God calls on someone to help, so God did his job, and someone is not listening to him.  grrr. 

omg.  I have to get out of here.

[no rose colored glasses]

one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.

DD there was some talk about how some of the locals have been turned off by the over aggressive attempts by certain people trying to obtain donations in Lindsey's name. Which is a shame because the locals are the ones that might hold the clues to what happened to Lindsey.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3956526&postcount=8
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3986591&postcount=682

I saw that also, but I really think too that perhaps the family is not well liked.

[doubledecker]

one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.

DD there was some talk about how some of the locals have been turned off by the over aggressive attempts by certain people trying to obtain donations in Lindsey's name. Which is a shame because the locals are the ones that might hold the clues to what happened to Lindsey.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3956526&postcount=8
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3986591&postcount=682

my god the laura recovery is involved in this, Amber Dubois' family got involved, it is not like they are sending money to kara or melissa to go eat pizza for god's sake.  who cares who is asking for the donations as long as there is a search center and some equipment to print up the flyers, buy gas to go look, help to organize searches etc... what the heck are people thinking, Kara does not drive, lindsey's mom has no car, so I guess they are suppose to go out there walking through the woods and all over by themselves trying to locate lindsey. 

are these people crazy

[pink angel]

O/T sorta. There is a 8 year old boy missing from Boise, ID.

He asked at 7 pm Friday night to go to a friend's birthday party and was told no by his parents. He went missing and was last seen at 9:30 Friday night. No Amber Alert ::shakes head:: and it's Monday...he is still missing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5793.0

[doubledecker]

one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.

DD there was some talk about how some of the locals have been turned off by the over aggressive attempts by certain people trying to obtain donations in Lindsey's name. Which is a shame because the locals are the ones that might hold the clues to what happened to Lindsey.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3956526&postcount=8
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3986591&postcount=682

my god the laura recovery is involved in this, Amber Dubois' family got involved, it is not like they are sending money to kara or melissa to go eat pizza for god's sake.  who cares who is asking for the donations as long as there is a search center and some equipment to print up the flyers, buy gas to go look, help to organize searches etc... what the heck are people thinking, Kara does not drive, lindsey's mom has no car, so I guess they are suppose to go out there walking through the woods and all over by themselves trying to locate lindsey. 

are these people crazy

okay I posted this before I even read the links, I am on a tangent sorry.  okay after reading. well don't give money to just anyone, take it to the bank... and get it deposited in the Search fund, to be used ONLY for that.  who is overseeing the fund?  I am sure with the people helping kara with this that they know how to set up a legit fund.  Amber's family was up there, the laura recovery people were up there, they all know how to set this stuff up.

[KarmaRoundUp]

I wonder since the Baum's and KaraK's families were fairly new to the area, they are considered "outsiders?" I know that Melissa had some ties, but she had been gone for years. Did KaraK have some previous ties to the area?

I have always wondered if Kara had ties to McCleary or family in WA.I think Kara was asked this at one time and she may have said something about researching McCleary and it seemed like a nice little town.I know she does have family in WA though.

[KarmaRoundUp]

just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.

Very true

[JessStar]

People can hold terrible grudges even when the well being of a child is involved. I witnessed this first hand when I was a kid. My parents were feuding with a neighbor. I was riding my bicycle really fast down our street (it was a big hill) and I wrecked right in front of the neighbor's house. I was a bloody mess. The neighbor was out watering his grass right by the street. He saw everything. Instead of coming over to see if I was okay, he turned away and began spraying another area of his lawn. I was 11 at the time. I'll never forget that as long as I live.

[KarmaRoundUp]

just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.

I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.

No Rose,did you get to read the whole post before it was squashed?

[pink angel]

just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.

I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.

No Rose,did you get to read the whole post before it was squashed?

It was links to his juvi charges or court schedule something to that effect. He did have a court date the day after Lindsey said "my brother is going to juvi", on her myspace page.

I am sure she heard her mom talking about how if he pleaded guilty or was found guilty that juvi could be one of the options for the judge to  hand down for her brother. She probably assumed he would be going and posted as such.

jmo

[pink angel]

The charges were related to a fire. It wasn't abuse or domestic related.
What kind of fire or where the fire was, I don't know.

[doubledecker]

so I guess the whole town refuses to help look for lindsey or refuses to help with a search center because they don't like someone or because people are mad or because they are asked for donations to help in a search center, or ONE guy had a can at the bear festival asking for help to pay melissa's bills.  .  so now the locals are mad and McCleary is not going to help.  okay fine, what about the rest of the world.  so NO ONE is going to help.  so just let the perp stay out there and grab another child off their streets.  then what?  hey go to mccleary to grab kids off the street because the locals don't care.

wow!!! if they get the money to rent a building, will anyone rent them one?  what if they buy a travel trailer to set up a search center, will anyone let them park it anywhere?  or if they set up a search center who will go there to help search?  NO ONE?  because some people are mad?  is everyone in McCleary mad? 

so no one does a thing... wonderful !!!! gee...

so are the people in Elma mad also?  what about melissa's friend in elma, can't they set it up over there?  what about a room in that Nice church where they take in all the people wanted by the law, gee lindsey and josh even went there, can't they open up one of the rooms to the church to use as a search center, heck they say they are there 24/7 praying, so what would it hurt to have a search center in one of those rooms? 

or a trailer in their parking lot. 

what about wayne watne's church, guess josh attended there, can't they allow them to set up in their parking lot? 

are they not allowed to rent the community center?  oh but wait, even if they did no one would come to help, right?  because the whole town is mad at them. 

I'm really really really am out of here for awhile.  so if I don't answer it is because I am not reading until I get UN-mad

 

 

[pink angel]

Oh my....while reading WS,look what a poster found about Josh Baum:

 

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86169&page=3

Hyldo wrote:

She made that comment on June 17. Using the Washington court records name search and searching JB's name, I found that an individual with JB's name had a review hearing (in a felony case!) on June 18 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court. It seems likely to be JB's case as the case history includes an entry labeled "Stmnt Of Juv Offndr/plea of Guilty".

I think Lindsey probably heard her mother talking about the appearance and, while he wasn't actually being sent to a juvenile center on that date, an 11 year old girl wouldn't really know the distinction between going to court and going to juvy.

I should add that I learned the case was a felony-level case by taking the case number that I obtained from the name search and then searching by case number on the superior court case number search page.

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.superiorSearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

I cant get that info through the search of the courts, but I do remember the statement being said about Josh going to Juvi, and I wondered what for? 

Try searching the case number:
15 Baum, Joshua S
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  09-9-80050-4  04-09-2009
16 Baum, Joshua S
Defendant  G H Co Superior  09-8-00024-5  03-02-2009

If that doesn't work I could just post the info here but seeing how he's a juvenile I don't know if that's allowed?

bump

[Fanny Mae]

Considering Melissa Baum has passed a polygraph in regards to her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter ... I will go out on a limb and suggest that she is between a rock and a hard place concerning whether she truly desires the truth to be exposed.

Just speculating.

Janet

I am agreeing with you 100%. However, I don't see how she could have passed a lie detector test, in that case. Stranger things have happened though. And yes, I think KaraK has been way more forthcoming than MB has. JMO

[no rose colored glasses]

People can hold terrible grudges even when the well being of a child is involved. I witnessed this first hand when I was a kid. My parents were feuding with a neighbor. I was riding my bicycle really fast down our street (it was a big hill) and I wrecked right in front of the neighbor's house. I was a bloody mess. The neighbor was out watering his grass right by the street. He saw everything. Instead of coming over to see if I was okay, he turned away and began spraying another area of his lawn. I was 11 at the time. I'll never forget that as long as I live.

    I'm sorry, but I do know exactly what you are saying, I think that the family is not well liked perhaps and that is the reason. I know it might not make sense, but that is how things are with some people.

[no rose colored glasses]

just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.

I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.

No Rose,did you get to read the whole post before it was squashed?

Darn it no, just something about a fire, I went back to look and didn't see anything else.

[no rose colored glasses]

Has the water tower been searched?