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« Reply #1720 on: July 28, 2009, 12:07:09 AM »

McCleary Police Officers
Chief George Crumb

Sergeant John Graham

Officer Randy Bunch

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D
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« Reply #1721 on: July 28, 2009, 12:07:48 AM »

I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
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« Reply #1722 on: July 28, 2009, 12:12:31 AM »

I'm going to sleep, I will think about all of this tomorrow 
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« Reply #1723 on: July 28, 2009, 12:13:39 AM »

DD,
Do you know Why Madi hasn't returned online?
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« Reply #1724 on: July 28, 2009, 12:14:07 AM »

DD,
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« Reply #1725 on: July 28, 2009, 01:18:43 AM »

McCleary Police Officers
Chief George Crumb

Sergeant John Graham

Officer Randy Bunch

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D


Thanks Northern Rose,  I see there is a lateral police officer's job opening in McCleary.  I wonder what that is, like an alternate officer?


Does anyone know when the disciplinary hearing is against someone from the ORV Park in McCleary?  I think it is this week.  Ta
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« Reply #1726 on: July 28, 2009, 02:19:54 AM »

I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
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« Reply #1727 on: July 28, 2009, 02:41:28 AM »

I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
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That would be wow to me if it is true, because this is something I pondered and felt.
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« Reply #1728 on: July 28, 2009, 02:44:24 AM »

Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?

apparently it was because people were digging up info on her family that she wasn't comfortable being out in the open b/c her kids and their friends started reading these blogs

LE probably told her to stop
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« Reply #1729 on: July 28, 2009, 02:44:43 AM »

I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
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Concerned, did you ever hear anything else?

Sorry, I have been out tonight, too hot inside! I have not heard anything else. I am so sorry to have started a rumor, or at least an unsubstantiated story. Maybe it will still happen, I don't know. But I do apologize for not having confirmation before posting.
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« Reply #1730 on: July 28, 2009, 03:04:05 AM »

This is when I felt something funny...

I swear in the beginning either McCleary chief of police or Elma, or the sheriff was a "Scott"...their last name. Does anyone remember that or is just me? Cause now I don't find them. now anywhere
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Again...

Maybe we should research LE


And again..lol...

I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!

Again...

It is very sad..... so very sad and it gets my blood boiling because of it...Through research this community and surrounding communities are flooded with ex cons, SO's etc.. I think there is major drug use going on and even when a child is missing it seems as if the community only cares about themselves getting in trouble for their wrongs so they stay away...Jus sayin, I don't know, but to be honest i would be leery of living there or in any of the surrounding areas.

Now I am really upset..lol


We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!


And maybe just a feeling of uncertainty because I would like to find Lindsey like all of us do and I find my mind wanders trying to figure it all out...
I would also like to make note that I don't believe this to be true of all community residences, but I have seen no signs in which I feel that the community, as a whole, is supportive of finding Lindsey. There are a chosen few (and I mean that literally) that do. And just making note: Do we truly know who to trust or listen too? No, we do not, it is a sad sad world!!! That is why I am non-conformist(in a good way..lol) in hopes I don't get sucked in to anything unethical or immoral...It is a tough world to take on...

 
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« Reply #1731 on: July 28, 2009, 03:37:00 AM »

Residential Listing

Councilmember Richard Vatne, Position 4

Richard J Vatne
Box 1355
Mccleary, WA 98557
(360) ***-****

http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qc=mccleary&qfilter

Richard Vatne was elected to the Council in 2004.  He served as Mayor from 1986 to 1990.  His current term ends December 31, 2009.

Richard has lived in McCleary for 30 years.  He is a retired small business owner.  He has one son.

Community Service:  He has more recently narrowed his activities to the City Council.  Previously he was active in the Chamber of Commerce, United Way, and numerous power utility councils and boards.

Council Goals:  growth; making the voters happy; make the cemetery look good; streets, sidewalks

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}


He was also married to Billie Vatne (nee self)

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx

we also have an SO

Ricky L Self

A map of the Offender's Neighborhood is not available
because of an invalid address.

Convicting Crime:  Attempted Child Molestation-2  Degree:  0
RCW: 9A.44.086

http://ml.waspc.org/offender.aspx?pid=205117&name=Self,%20Ricky%20L&address=0xx%20Doc&city=Skagit%20CO%20&zip=98273
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« Reply #1732 on: July 28, 2009, 03:45:32 AM »

Ricky L Self

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist
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« Reply #1733 on: July 28, 2009, 04:04:23 AM »

This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other I am going to bed...Gnight..
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« Reply #1734 on: July 28, 2009, 08:35:12 AM »


unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.

It wasn't supposed to be the same guy.  We are asking if they possilby look alike, or could be mistaken for each other.  particularly from a distance. 
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I think they could be mistaken for the same guy,especially from a distance and in the dark and if they have about the same build.


Gladwin Sex Offender Violates Parole
Police Find Child Porn On Suspect's Computer

http://www.wnem.com/news/16952647/detail.html

http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=259516


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« Reply #1735 on: July 28, 2009, 09:28:36 AM »

Residential Listing

Councilmember Richard Vatne, Position 4

Richard J Vatne
Box 1355
Mccleary, WA 98557
(360) ***-****

http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qc=mccleary&qfilter

Richard Vatne was elected to the Council in 2004.  He served as Mayor from 1986 to 1990.  His current term ends December 31, 2009.

Richard has lived in McCleary for 30 years.  He is a retired small business owner.  He has one son.

Community Service:  He has more recently narrowed his activities to the City Council.  Previously he was active in the Chamber of Commerce, United Way, and numerous power utility councils and boards.

Council Goals:  growth; making the voters happy; make the cemetery look good; streets, sidewalks

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}


He was also married to Billie Vatne (nee self)

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx

we also have an SO

Ricky L Self

A map of the Offender's Neighborhood is not available
because of an invalid address.

Convicting Crime:  Attempted Child Molestation-2  Degree:  0
RCW: 9A.44.086

http://ml.waspc.org/offender.aspx?pid=205117&name=Self,%20Ricky%20L&address=0xx%20Doc&city=Skagit%20CO%20&zip=98273


I've seen the SELF name all through my research, let me look through my names.
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« Reply #1736 on: July 28, 2009, 09:37:00 AM »

goodmorning monkeys,

so i'm guessing there has been no news on a police officer being arrested?
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« Reply #1737 on: July 28, 2009, 09:38:22 AM »

This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other I am going to bed...Gnight..

exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it.  I keep trying.  But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother.  It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up. 

But I'll keep at it. 

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as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL  ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them.  Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec. 

I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it.  same for those in political office.  You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases).  I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them.  one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL.  This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....   
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« Reply #1738 on: July 28, 2009, 09:41:52 AM »

This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other I am going to bed...Gnight..

exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it.  I keep trying.  But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother.  It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up. 

But I'll keep at it. 

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as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL  ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them.  Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec. 

I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it.  same for those in political office.  You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases).  I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them.  one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL.  This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....   

with all that said... I must say, the ones I did talk to were all VERY nice, shocked the heck out of me
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« Reply #1739 on: July 28, 2009, 10:08:58 AM »

This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other I am going to bed...Gnight..

exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it.  I keep trying.  But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother.  It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up. 

But I'll keep at it. 

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as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL  ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them.  Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec. 

I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it.  same for those in political office.  You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases).  I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them.  one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL.  This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....   

dd-we are so lucky to have you on this board.  i have worked closely with the police on many cases and became friendly with some of them, and i can say that they all admitted there was lots of corruption in the police force (as we all know)...abuse of power can be a very scary thing (like the movie Gone Baby Gone for instance...if you havent seen it, see it!)

i think that based on the facts we do have would fit the scenario of someone in LE being involved.  however would that totally discount the information you have on the adam campbell lookalike and the eyewitness?
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