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Re: Lindsey Baum #2
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McCleary Police Officers
Chief George Crumb
Sergeant John Graham
Officer Randy Bunch
http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D
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Quote from: concernedmommyinwa on July 27, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
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I'm going to sleep, I will think about all of this tomorrow
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DD,
Do you know Why Madi hasn't returned online?
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Quote from: Live*Learn*Love on July 28, 2009, 12:13:39 AM
DD,
Do you know Why Madi hasn't returned online?
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Quote from: Northern Rose on July 28, 2009, 12:07:09 AM
McCleary Police Officers
Chief George Crumb
Sergeant John Graham
Officer Randy Bunch
http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D
Thanks Northern Rose, I see there is a lateral police officer's job opening in McCleary. I wonder what that is, like an alternate officer?
Does anyone know when the disciplinary hearing is against someone from the ORV Park in McCleary? I think it is this week. Ta
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Quote from: Sister on July 28, 2009, 12:07:48 AM
Quote from: concernedmommyinwa on July 27, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
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Concerned, did you ever hear anything else?
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Quote from: Sister on July 28, 2009, 12:07:48 AM
Quote from: concernedmommyinwa on July 27, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
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That would be wow to me if it is true, because this is something I pondered and felt.
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Quote from: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
Quote from: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 12:45:40 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?
apparently it was because people were digging up info on her family that she wasn't comfortable being out in the open b/c her kids and their friends started reading these blogs
LE probably told her to stop
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Quote from: Sister on July 28, 2009, 02:19:54 AM
Quote from: Sister on July 28, 2009, 12:07:48 AM
Quote from: concernedmommyinwa on July 27, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
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Concerned, did you ever hear anything else?
Sorry, I have been out tonight, too hot inside! I have not heard anything else. I am so sorry to have started a rumor, or at least an unsubstantiated story. Maybe it will still happen, I don't know. But I do apologize for not having confirmation before posting.
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This is when I felt something funny...
Quote from: love4ever on July 25, 2009, 10:23:48 PM
I swear in the beginning either McCleary chief of police or Elma, or the sheriff was a "Scott"...their last name. Does anyone remember that or is just me? Cause now I don't find them. now anywhere
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Again...
Quote from: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:00:48 PM
Maybe we should research LE
And again..lol...
Quote from: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:11:28 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!
Again...
Quote from: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:20:01 PM
It is very sad..... so very sad and it gets my blood boiling because of it...Through research this community and surrounding communities are flooded with ex cons, SO's etc.. I think there is major drug use going on and even when a child is missing it seems as if the community only cares about themselves getting in trouble for their wrongs so they stay away...Jus sayin, I don't know, but to be honest i would be leery of living there or in any of the surrounding areas.
Now I am really upset..lol
Quote from: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:25:46 PM
We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!
And maybe just a feeling of uncertainty because I would like to find Lindsey like all of us do and I find my mind wanders trying to figure it all out...
I would also like to make note that I don't believe this to be true of all community residences, but I have seen no signs in which I feel that the community, as a whole, is supportive of finding Lindsey. There are a chosen few (and I mean that literally) that do. And just making note: Do we truly know who to trust or listen too? No, we do not, it is a sad sad world!!! That is why I am non-conformist(in a good way..lol) in hopes I don't get sucked in to anything unethical or immoral...It is a tough world to take on...
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Re: Lindsey Baum #2
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July 28, 2009, 03:37:00 AM »
Residential Listing
Councilmember Richard Vatne, Position 4
Richard J Vatne
Box 1355
Mccleary, WA 98557
(360) ***-****
http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qc=mccleary&qfilter
Richard Vatne
was elected to the Council in 2004. He served as Mayor from 1986 to 1990. His current term ends December 31, 2009.
Richard has lived in McCleary for 30 years. He is a retired small business owner.
He has one son.
Community Service: He has more recently narrowed his activities to the City Council. Previously he was active in the Chamber of Commerce, United Way, and numerous power utility councils and boards.
Council Goals: growth; making the voters happy; make the cemetery look good; streets, sidewalks
http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}
He was also married to
Billie Vatne (nee self)
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx
we also have an SO
Ricky L Self
A map of the Offender's Neighborhood is not available
because of an invalid address.
Convicting Crime: Attempted Child Molestation-2 Degree: 0
RCW: 9A.44.086
http://ml.waspc.org/offender.aspx?pid=205117&name=Self,%20Ricky%20L&address=0xx%20Doc&city=Skagit%20CO%20&zip=98273
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Ricky L Self
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist
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This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other
I am going to bed...Gnight..
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July 28, 2009, 08:35:12 AM »
Quote from: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:09:42 PM
Quote from: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 09:23:10 PM
unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.
It wasn't supposed to be the same guy. We are asking if they possilby look alike, or could be mistaken for each other. particularly from a distance.
Good morning Monkeys
I think they could be mistaken for the same guy,especially from a distance and in the dark and if they have about the same build.
Gladwin Sex Offender Violates Parole
Police Find Child Porn On Suspect's Computer
http://www.wnem.com/news/16952647/detail.html
http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=259516
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Re: Lindsey Baum #2
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July 28, 2009, 09:28:36 AM »
Quote from: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 03:37:00 AM
Residential Listing
Councilmember Richard Vatne, Position 4
Richard J Vatne
Box 1355
Mccleary, WA 98557
(360) ***-****
http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qc=mccleary&qfilter
Richard Vatne
was elected to the Council in 2004. He served as Mayor from 1986 to 1990. His current term ends December 31, 2009.
Richard has lived in McCleary for 30 years. He is a retired small business owner.
He has one son.
Community Service: He has more recently narrowed his activities to the City Council. Previously he was active in the Chamber of Commerce, United Way, and numerous power utility councils and boards.
Council Goals: growth; making the voters happy; make the cemetery look good; streets, sidewalks
http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}
He was also married to
Billie Vatne (nee self)
http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx
we also have an SO
Ricky L Self
A map of the Offender's Neighborhood is not available
because of an invalid address.
Convicting Crime: Attempted Child Molestation-2 Degree: 0
RCW: 9A.44.086
http://ml.waspc.org/offender.aspx?pid=205117&name=Self,%20Ricky%20L&address=0xx%20Doc&city=Skagit%20CO%20&zip=98273
I've seen the
SELF
name all through my research, let me look through my names.
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goodmorning monkeys,
so i'm guessing there has been no news on a police officer being arrested?
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Quote from: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 04:04:23 AM
This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other
I am going to bed...Gnight..
exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it. I keep trying. But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother. It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up.
But I'll keep at it.
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as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them. Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec.
I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it. same for those in political office. You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases). I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them. one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL. This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....
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Quote from: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 04:04:23 AM
This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other
I am going to bed...Gnight..
exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it. I keep trying. But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother. It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up.
But I'll keep at it.
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as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them. Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec.
I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it. same for those in political office. You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases). I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them. one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL. This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....
with all that said... I must say, the ones I did talk to were all VERY nice, shocked the heck out of me
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Re: Lindsey Baum #2
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Quote from: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 09:38:22 AM
Quote from: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 04:04:23 AM
This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other
I am going to bed...Gnight..
exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it. I keep trying. But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother. It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up.
But I'll keep at it.
____________
as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them. Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec.
I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it. same for those in political office. You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases). I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them. one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL. This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....
dd-we are so lucky to have you on this board. i have worked closely with the police on many cases and became friendly with some of them, and i can say that they all admitted there was lots of corruption in the police force (as we all know)...abuse of power can be a very scary thing (like the movie Gone Baby Gone for instance...if you havent seen it, see it!)
i think that based on the facts we do have would fit the scenario of someone in LE being involved. however would that totally discount the information you have on the adam campbell lookalike and the eyewitness?
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===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
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