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« Reply #1740 on: July 28, 2009, 10:31:00 AM »

DD, I believe you will find a "Self" in the Cantu case.
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« Reply #1741 on: July 28, 2009, 12:38:45 PM »


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i think that based on the facts we do have would fit the scenario of someone in LE being involved.  however would that totally discount the information you have on the adam campbell lookalike and the eyewitness?

I still would not discount the person who thought they saw Adam Campbell, or looking for a "look-a-like" and the Heavy-set guy who might actually also be the BIG GUY behind the shell station. 

I have a "feeling" the police might think the lady is totally mistaken, NOT that anyone said that to me, they said nothing like that, but I THINK they might not believe her or think she is mistaken or something.  I believe she believes what she saw, and she believes it is adam campbell, and I can tell you I don't believe she has changed her mind about that at all.  However, because the detective followed up and replied to me about it, and because I am a position to give more info and they are not asking me to do so, I would think they have written off adam campbell totally OR, they can do whatever they have to do without any more info/help. So I just leave it at that.  but I am not going to say NOT to keep trying to figure out who Adam knows.  He might very well know "something".  He might very well be trying to tell it, and he might very well have told the police something.  I don't know.  But those 2 posts are not the only effort adam has made to try to tell someone "something" but whatever it is he is trying to tell someone, very hard to understand what it is.  So its all a big "GUESS" as to what is going on with adam.  And as I said earlier, he might be a witness to something or heard something for all I know and trying to tell someone. 

Now did that lady actually see "ADAM"  she says she did.  she is sure.  but it is easy to mistake someone for someone who looks so much like a person, so again, who did she really see?  And.... did she really see LINDSEY?  I don't know, she is sure she did.  And I believe full well she believes she did, she is sure.  is it all a case of mistaken id's, I don't know, but the woman is not nuts... she might be mistaken, as anyone can be, but she is not some nut. 

so at this point I have to take it that the police know what they are doing, and they are doing it.  IF they aren't then hmmm is all I can say.  I do know they listened, they acted, and they responded.  So it is not like they ignored any of this.

so we can still try to figure it out or look for an adam look-a-like, or we can believe the police are taking care of it all.  I don't want to get the police on my bad side.  LOL.  And I don't want to make a mess of something they are investigating.  But I also wonder about all these things and wonder if it would help if we looked for the adam look-a-like, or we tried to decipher what he is saying, etc. 

he posted on lindsey's guestbook for some reason, who knows why.  It seems to me he THINKS he can help.  now is the guy a weirdo who just thinks he is helping, or is he interjecting himself into a washington missing child because he lived there and saw it on the news and got interested, or does he have real info?  who knows.  Do I try to figure that out? I am not sure. 

I really don't know where to go on this, so I just sit still about it
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« Reply #1742 on: July 28, 2009, 12:42:39 PM »

DD, I believe you will find a "Self" in the Cantu case.

there are a LOT of names in the Cantu case that are popping up in the Lindsey case, but we are in washington not far from where all the Lawless originated.  And a lot of the people in the Lindsey case have ties to the same towns in washington as the lawless do, so there is bound to be a lot of the same names.  I have not had the time to see if there are immeditate family ties, but I suspect we might even find a few, but that is expected in these little washington towns.  Now if I find someone in the immediate family of someone in the lindsey case married into someone in the Cantu case I will then go HMMMMMMMMMMMMM... and I really would not be shocked to find that LOL
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« Reply #1743 on: July 28, 2009, 12:46:18 PM »

the self name shows up on LARSON Rd, where the police were searching that road by the RR

the self name also shows up on 6th street. 

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« Reply #1744 on: July 28, 2009, 12:47:04 PM »

16 LARSON MCCLEARY, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, SHERI M (Age 55)
SELF, TRAVIS MICHAEL (Age 28)
SELF, NICHOL MICHELLE (Age 31)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, MICHAEL D (Age 60)
SELF, NICHOL MICHELLE (Age 31)
SELF, TRAVIS MICHAEL (Age 28)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, MICHAEL D (Age 60)
SELF, SHERI M (Age 55)
SELF, TRAVIS MICHAEL (Age 28)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, SHERI M (Age 55)
SELF, MICHAEL D (Age 60)
SELF, NICHOL MICHELLE (Age 31)


   
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« Reply #1745 on: July 28, 2009, 12:48:13 PM »

6 LARSON MCCLEARY, WA


MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, SHERI M (Age 55)
SELF, MICHAEL D (Age 60)
SELF, NICHOL MICHELLE (Age 31)
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« Reply #1746 on: July 28, 2009, 12:48:52 PM »

128 6TH MCCLEARY, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
SATSOP, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, WILLIAM N (Age 78)


MCCLEARY, WA
Possible Relatives:

SELF, GEORGIA L (Age 75)
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« Reply #1747 on: July 28, 2009, 12:49:26 PM »

170 S Sixth St McCleary, WA

hmm in the original list these show up at 170 6th st, but I found them also at 128 6th, but now they are not showing up at 170 6th in the other database? ???

Georgia L Self
170 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: William N Self


William N Self
170 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
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Household: Georgia L Self


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« Reply #1748 on: July 28, 2009, 12:56:19 PM »


this is my old FEESER map but it does show larson and 6th, all get a map of SELF addresses on a map later.

larson is on the map I have of the michael feeser area almost up north of jim mullin creek

We know the police were down this road.  which house were they searching? 

I searched the names of anyone connected to any of the houses on that road,
this is when I ran into the self names on that road.

I had found them on 6th street also when I searched all of 6th street to see who lived on 6th.

this is kind of interesting really, we have self names on larson where the police searched when searching by the RR tracks. 

We have self names on 6th where the dog's supposedly trailed, so have to figure out the addresses and see where the houses are on 6th, if they are north or south of maple.
I know the 200 block is south but forgot where the 100 block is. 

let me go figure all this stuff out and get it all organized.


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« Reply #1749 on: July 28, 2009, 12:59:50 PM »

here is my research on where the SELF names show up. 
I only bumped into them while research LARSON  & 6th, there could be more, I will have to look at that today. 

do we have any photos of the SELF people?  do they look like adam or the heavy set guy or the BIG GUY?

Larson
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/which-house-did-they-search-on-larson-t174.html

6th
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/who-is-on-6th-st-mccleary-t14.html

this way you can see who all is connected to them et
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« Reply #1750 on: July 28, 2009, 01:01:05 PM »

bb in a bit, have some chores still to do ugh.  then I will get the SELF stuff all organized and see if the Ricky Self is connected, which I am sure he is.  Maybe he was on 6th and Larson? 
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« Reply #1751 on: July 28, 2009, 01:11:29 PM »

Thanks DD. I know that some cops are corrupt, but I sure hope this isn't what happened, this is upsetting to me to even think this. I have no doubt this woman believes what she saw, but a lot of times people think they saw the perp and then when there is a lineup they pick the wrong person, or can't pick.
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« Reply #1752 on: July 28, 2009, 01:26:56 PM »

Thanks DD. I know that some cops are corrupt, but I sure hope this isn't what happened, this is upsetting to me to even think this. I have no doubt this woman believes what she saw, but a lot of times people think they saw the perp and then when there is a lineup they pick the wrong person, or can't pick.

this is very true, so there is no way to know if she REALLY saw ADAM or if she saw someone who looks like him.  However, because he is posting on Lindsey's guestbook and wanting to help, then you have to wonder.  If not, boy did he pick the wrong time to post on there.
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« Reply #1753 on: July 28, 2009, 01:28:19 PM »

one other thing, she saw these two men in the area where jeffrey smiley was.... fort lewis property.  you have to wonder, what is it with fort lewis property and these SO's?  are they camped out there homeless? 
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« Reply #1754 on: July 28, 2009, 01:31:43 PM »

adam is registered as homeless at one point, he is also registered in ROY WA at some point, and this is right by there. 

he is also registered at 6th street in yakima, and there are a lot of other SO's registered on 6th in yakima, it is like the whole street is full of them.  so did he take off and travel around with others? 

see I said I was not going to do this LOL  but I am sitting her asking these questions?  Could he have hooked up with some other homeless SO he met, knew something, trying to tell it, but can't contact the police because he is out of compliance?  that is possible. 

I just don't know, and I guess I should not need to know, but dang do I wonder
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« Reply #1755 on: July 28, 2009, 01:35:49 PM »

one other thing, she saw these two men in the area where jeffrey smiley was.... fort lewis property.  you have to wonder, what is it with fort lewis property and these SO's?  are they camped out there homeless? 
That has been bothering me for awhile now. Is Fort Lewis closed, or is the base still open?
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« Reply #1756 on: July 28, 2009, 01:35:54 PM »

I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.
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« Reply #1757 on: July 28, 2009, 01:36:00 PM »

btw, I lost adam's birthdate, I really need that. ugh. anyone have it?
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« Reply #1758 on: July 28, 2009, 01:37:56 PM »

one other thing, she saw these two men in the area where jeffrey smiley was.... fort lewis property.  you have to wonder, what is it with fort lewis property and these SO's?  are they camped out there homeless? 
That has been bothering me for awhile now. Is Fort Lewis closed, or is the base still open?
Fort Lewis is an active base. The area around Roy is used for training exercises.
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« Reply #1759 on: July 28, 2009, 01:38:42 PM »

I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.
I'm not familiar with WSP training.
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