Lively Case Discussion #546 11/19 - 11/21/2006

[LilPuma]

I take back what I just said about web translator - I used Babelfish this time and it worked like a charm.  No real clue as to any big news though.  
The redactie of our programme is at present busy with a closer study into the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway on Aruba. 18 person whose birthday it is little girl disappeared by the end of May 2005 without a trace after an evening steps in a discotheque. She stayed on the island for 5-daagse a holiday with a group schoolboys. Natalee have been seen for last then them after fence time of the disco with three boys in a car to the range drove. The three friends have been later arrested largely a week then appeared that they had lain concerning what they had done with the little girl. They Natalee firstly told the police force that them that night neatly at its hotel had turned off. But already fast this tale did not appear be correct. The three boys - Joran of of the ditch and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe - have been released however after course of time because of lack of proof nevertheless. Also Jorans father, right in training Paul of of the ditch, has some time been stuck. Moreover the police force has in Aruba and also in the Netherlands still potential suspected a number arrested. But always one had release them because of lack of proof. The matter has particularly been in America very large in the news, but in our country much attention has been also given. Every time however without this produced new, concrete starting points. People who know more concerning this matter are requested get in touch with our programme. All tips are treated confidentially.

[Peaches]

I take back what I just said about web translator - I used Babelfish this time and it worked like a charm.  No real clue as to any big news though.  
The redactie of our programme is at present busy with a closer study into the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway on Aruba. 18 person whose birthday it is little girl disappeared by the end of May 2005 without a trace after an evening steps in a discotheque. She stayed on the island for 5-daagse a holiday with a group schoolboys. Natalee have been seen for last then them after fence time of the disco with three boys in a car to the range drove. The three friends have been later arrested largely a week then appeared that they had lain concerning what they had done with the little girl. They Natalee firstly told the police force that them that night neatly at its hotel had turned off. But already fast this tale did not appear be correct. The three boys - Joran of of the ditch and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe - have been released however after course of time because of lack of proof nevertheless. Also Jorans father, right in training Paul of of the ditch, has some time been stuck. Moreover the police force has in Aruba and also in the Netherlands still potential suspected a number arrested. But always one had release them because of lack of proof. The matter has particularly been in America very large in the news, but in our country much attention has been also given. Every time however without this produced new, concrete starting points. People who know more concerning this matter are requested get in touch with our programme. All tips are treated confidentially.

In the above summary, does it seem like DeVries is pretty suspicious of the prime suspects?  And I mean, all of them....smarmy judge included.  He seems to indicate the story has received some attention in Holland despite the attempts of others to reassure us this is not so.

[Leslie]

Vader is the Dutch word for father?  Interesting.  I surmise that the deVries team got a tip or did some research in Holland about the Sloot
family or the van Rijn family prior to the trip to Aruba.

[LilPuma]

In the above summary, does it seem like DeVries is pretty suspicious of the prime suspects?  And I mean, all of them....smarmy judge included.  He seems to indicate the story has received some attention in Holland despite the attempts of others to reassure us this is not so.

I think so.  I think it sounds as if he thinks it's odd that these guys were released due to lack of evidence.  But I'm biased, so I'm reading that into it.  I wish I knew what his comment about Paulus being "stuck" meant.  Maybe Klaas, with all her experience, could give us a more accurate translation in this context.

[dkpen]

Hi everyone!

Has anyone seen and read these two articles?

http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=791
 
http://www.aruba.com/phpNews/wmview.php?ArtID=788

[2NJSons_Mom]

In the above summary, does it seem like DeVries is pretty suspicious of the prime suspects?  And I mean, all of them....smarmy judge included.  He seems to indicate the story has received some attention in Holland despite the attempts of others to reassure us this is not so.

I think so.  I think it sounds as if he thinks it's odd that these guys were released due to lack of evidence.  But I'm biased, so I'm reading that into it.  I wish I knew what his comment about Paulus being "stuck" meant.  Maybe Klaas, with all her experience, could give us a more accurate translation in this context.

Maybe in translation 'stuck' meant held.  Not sure.  

I also noticed DeVries website has a story about a young man who died in Curacao and his Columbian girlfriend has fled, or is in hiding/missing out of fear (per babelfish translation I did earlier, which may not be interpreted precisely by moi)

San, good point about getting hopes up...the Dutch AMW reenactment of the disappearance didn't do much, as far as we know.

[Tylergal]

I bet the "shocking" news is something about Paul.  We know Joran's history but nothing about his father.

That man?

[Tylergal]

I bet the "shocking" news is something about Paul.  We know Joran's history but nothing about his father.

Wouldn't it be shocking that it wasn't what we thought and this DeVries person claims Joran is innocent and he believe he had nothing to do with it.  Now that is something that would shock me.

Sometimes I believe they are saying this stuff to get our attention and once they do wham they hit us in the face.

Not one thing has gone this familys way since day one.  I am not getting my hopes up with this show.

I totally agree with you, San.  I think there are more snakes in Aruba and Holland than in the Reptilaporium in Florida.

[klaasend]

My translation of the statement on the De Vries website:

The editorial office of our program is currently busy with a closer study into the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway, 18yr old girl, who disappeared in Aruba at the end of May 2005 without a trace after an evening dancing in a discotheque. She stayed on the island for 5 days with a group of students.

Natalee was last seen leaving the disco with three boys in their car driving down the street.The three friends were later arrested after over a week when it appeared that they had lied concerning what they had done with the girl. They first told the police they dropped Natalee off that night at her hotel.  But quicky this tale did not appear to be correct.

The three boys - Joran van der Sloot and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe - have been released however after a period of time because of lack of proof.  Also Jorans father, judge in training Paul van der Sloot, was also detained for some time. Moreover the police force in Aruba and also in the Netherlands have detained a number of potential suspects but always they've been released because of lack of proof.

The matter has been particularly big in the American news, but in our country it has also been given attention.  Every time however without producing new, concrete starting points.

People who know more concerning this matter are requested get in touch with our program. All tips are treated confidentially.

[klaasend]

Update from Victor/Lazlo regarding his message:

Sorry for jumping in, but the OP is not exactly what I said (maybe I should repost it after all...)

I did say I was told one thing that I did not knew, and which if true is shocking.

That specific part has nothing to do with J2K.

[dkpen]

I'm with you on the De Vries show.

It was said he found info about Jorans temper and how he tossed a chollar into the bay/water, or that someone came forward stating he/she saw Joran toss a chollar into the bay/water.

Remember Joran has anger behavor problems and perhaps he learned something more on this proving Joran has a pattern of these kinds of uncontrollable acts.

I am sure no one closely involved(Sloots,Kalpoes ect) in this case came forward to report anything to De Vries. Hopfully a citizen from Aruba was brave enough to come forward and speak to De Vries openly and tell the truth or at least give him a climpse on the corruption in Aruba and cover-up concerning Natalees case.

On the cannibalism statement....I know that there is a religion practiced that has sacrificial rituals at a certain time of year(ie festival) and it was said to me awhile back that they eat the vital organs of a virgin. (ie heart, liver, kidneys) I know it's something no one wants to think about but it is possible some truth could be in it. From msmarples M&C with all the unexplained deaths, especially within the younger community, who knows. Satanic rituals are all over the world and involve a lot of gruesome activities. FYI

[dkpen]

My translation of the statement on the De Vries website:

The editorial office of our program is currently busy with a closer study into the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway, 18yr old girl, who disappeared in Aruba at the end of May 2005 without a trace after an evening dancing in a discotheque. She stayed on the island for 5 days with a group of students.

Natalee was last seen leaving the disco with three boys in their car driving down the street.The three friends were later arrested after over a week when it appeared that they had lied concerning what they had done with the girl. They first told the police they dropped Natalee off that night at her hotel.  But quicky this tale did not appear to be correct.

The three boys - Joran van der Sloot and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe - have been released however after a period of time because of lack of proof.  Also Jorans father, judge in training Paul van der Sloot, was also detained for some time. Moreover the police force in Aruba and also in the Netherlands have detained a number of potential suspects but always they've been released because of lack of proof.

The matter has been particularly big in the American news, but in our country it has also been given attention.  Every time however without producing new, concrete starting points.

People who know more concerning this matter are requested get in touch with our program. All tips are treated confidentially.

hmmmm this sounds to me like De Vries didn't get very far and are asking for those to come forward if they have information. I don't like the sound of that.  

[Elaine]

It was said he found info about Jorans temper and how he tossed a chollar into the bay/water, or that someone came forward stating he/she saw Joran toss a chollar into the bay/water.

Remember Joran has anger behavor problems and perhaps he learned something more on this proving Joran has a pattern of these kinds of uncontrollable acts.

I have the feeling that Joran has "tossed" a lot of people around on that island...............Hello Monkeys!!

[Kat_Gram]

I did say I was told one thing that I did not knew, and which if true is shocking.

Shocking ? What could shock us at this point in time ? Hmmm silly time:
Joran has a criminal past dating back to pre school. He was running with scissors and stabbed another little kid. After that, Anita was always at the school where Joran was, to head off trouble.

[Elaine]

I did say I was told one thing that I did not knew, and which if true is shocking.

Shocking ? What could shock us at this point in time ? Hmmm silly time:
Joran has a criminal past dating back to pre school. He was running with scissors and stabbed another little kid. After that, Anita was always at the school where Joran was, to head off trouble.

Did he really do this? I never heard about this one, although, it would not shock me at all.

[klaasend]

My translation of the statement on the De Vries website:

The editorial office of our program is currently busy with a closer study into the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway, 18yr old girl, who disappeared in Aruba at the end of May 2005 without a trace after an evening dancing in a discotheque. She stayed on the island for 5 days with a group of students.

Natalee was last seen leaving the disco with three boys in their car driving down the street.The three friends were later arrested after over a week when it appeared that they had lied concerning what they had done with the girl. They first told the police they dropped Natalee off that night at her hotel.  But quicky this tale did not appear to be correct.

The three boys - Joran van der Sloot and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe - have been released however after a period of time because of lack of proof.  Also Jorans father, judge in training Paul van der Sloot, was also detained for some time. Moreover the police force in Aruba and also in the Netherlands have detained a number of potential suspects but always they've been released because of lack of proof.

The matter has been particularly big in the American news, but in our country it has also been given attention.  Every time however without producing new, concrete starting points.

People who know more concerning this matter are requested get in touch with our program. All tips are treated confidentially.

hmmmm this sounds to me like De Vries didn't get very far and are asking for those to come forward if they have information. I don't like the sound of that.  

DKPen - I wouldn't say that.  This message was posted on the De Vries site a month ago.  It's just providing their readers some background into the case.

[Elaine]

Klaasend, you are great!! Lazlo made that post, then probably got im'ed to "take it down quick" before a monkey read it...but he wasn't fast enough!

[Kat_Gram]

I did say I was told one thing that I did not knew, and which if true is shocking.

Shocking ? What could shock us at this point in time ? Hmmm silly time:
Joran has a criminal past dating back to pre school. He was running with scissors and stabbed another little kid. After that, Anita was always at the school where Joran was, to head off trouble.

Did he really do this? I never heard about this one, although, it would not shock me at all.

Sorry, I was making it up !    
Nothing to do with J2K ?  Hey, there are plenty of players on Aruba that have something in their closets ! !  Wonder what ? Oh, I am so impatient ! !

[Elaine]

I did say I was told one thing that I did not knew, and which if true is shocking.

Shocking ? What could shock us at this point in time ? Hmmm silly time:
Joran has a criminal past dating back to pre school. He was running with scissors and stabbed another little kid. After that, Anita was always at the school where Joran was, to head off trouble.

Did he really do this? I never heard about this one, although, it would not shock me at all.

Sorry, I was making it up !    
Nothing to do with J2K ?  Hey, there are plenty of players on Aruba that have something in their closets ! !  Wonder what ? Oh, I am so impatient ! !

Yes, I reread that, and figured you had! But, at this point it sounds like something he would have done!

[Peaches]

Me, too, Kat.

Nice work on the translation, Klaas.

Teenager wants the computer.

Nite all.

Sunfreak, if you're reading, I don't have your number.  You have mine.  Call me if you need something.  Hugs.