Lively Case Discussion #546 11/19 - 11/21/2006

[dkpen]

On 6-27-05 it was reported that "Several years ago the [rock] quarry dried up and the body of someone long-missing was found."  [Aruba did not make this known in reporting its crime statistics - it has only ever reported "petty street theft".]

[dkpen]

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Humm, even our infamous female teachers who had relations with their mail students?

Well, there are levels and degrees but basically, yes.  I was not however aware of any of these students never being seen or heard from again.
I do think there is a difference in sexual exploitation and murder for sex.  One is very permanent and final.

And it is for those predators I would reserve the harshest judgment.

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Yes, I also think there is a difference as well, I was as usual just playing devils advocate.

Better be careful doing that, we might start asking why there are no female serial killers and why women are the victims something like 4000 to one and other things that do not reflect well on that position.  

It can be a difficult one to defend.  But basically ANY people who cannot control themselves need to be contained or put down so they do not harm the rest of us.

And I don't think the mafia from any part of the world would be foolish enough to get involved in the abduction of somebody's American teen age daughter.  They are the last people that want to bring heat and publicity on themselves and they are usually not extremely stupid or they don't last long.

The world is awash in desperate women and children who can be taken with no one to come after them.  I just can't see one getting involved in something like this.

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Anna are you so sure about that?  The Mafia is well connected in these kinds of crimes. Hell, even in the USA they are. Sex slavery is very big in USA as well as other countries and the mafia are in the center of it all. It brings multi billion dollar profits to them each year. That and money laundering, casinoes, drugs ect. Anything that has to do with the top dollar coming in.

[dkpen]

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Humm, even our infamous female teachers who had relations with their mail students?

Well, there are levels and degrees but basically, yes.  I was not however aware of any of these students never being seen or heard from again.
I do think there is a difference in sexual exploitation and murder for sex.  One is very permanent and final.

And it is for those predators I would reserve the harshest judgment.

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Exactly Anna.  Look how much recidivism there is amongst rapists & pedophiles.  It's obvious that whatever our penal system (no pun intended) is doing is not working.  I would vote on harsher penalties anyday.

I recall a few years ago there was a repeat offender (cannot remember if it was pedophile or just sorry old rapist) who asked the "penal" system, to castrate him because he knew he could never change and felt it fair to himself and anyone he might abuse, this would be in the best interests of himself and society.  I agree that three strikes and castration occurs.

There are other means of raping someone without using their private parts that are just as bad.

[dkpen]

For msmarples M&C thread.


Police is investigating the cause behind the dead of the man Rene van
Heyningen whose body was found behind the Government cemetery at
Sabana Basora.
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:NSPQD0ggH3EJ:www.voiceofalabama.com/am21jun05-1.pdf+Rene+van+Heyningen&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

[dkpen]

haha I guess I am talking to myself now. I suppose I will head for the bed too.

Night and God bless~

[Anna]

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Anna are you so sure about that?  The Mafia is well connected in these kinds of crimes. Hell, even in the USA they are. Sex slavery is very big in USA as well as other countries and the mafia are in the center of it all. It brings multi billion dollar profits to them each year. That and money laundering, casinoes, drugs ect. Anything that has to do with the top dollar coming in.

Not 100% sure of anything but there is no need to kidnap somebody's child who is likely to come after you when there are so many women at lose ends that can be taken with relatively little reaction.

Blondes from the Ukraine, brunettes from Latin America and Blacks from Africa.  The vast majority of those being trafficked globally are taken from poor regions of the world.  I believe if we had human traffickers stealing our teens, somebody would have noticed this.  Not that many are missing where this is likely.

The Netherlands is over run by refugees from the former Soviet Union and the mafia could have a plane load delivered at any time.  Chasing a kid from Alabama all over the island is not likely something they would find very appealing I don't think.

But that's just my opinion.  You are just as entitled to yours.

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[Anna]

It's officially the day before Thanksgiving already!

Going to wrap up my projects I have going here and call it a day.

Goodnight all you remaining monkeys!

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[LilPuma]

I'm sure De Vries has done his homework.  De Vries is no fool.  I look forward to his program on the 26th.  I think the posters at RU and FOB will be quite disappointed again.

You mentioned it might be online after it's aired, but do we have a Dutch poster or friend who could give us an English transcript?  

If de Vries isn't someone to cover for shady dealings, scum suckers and low-lifes, illicit activities, corruption and crime, then the posters at RU and FOB will be quite disappointed again.   We know Joran is responsible for her disappearance.  We know his judge-wannabe-daddy is the main reason that the judges, police and others covered up for Joran.  We know that the people of Aruba don't have the collective backbone to do anything about the criminal element that runs the country - from casinos and hotels to banks and street drugs.   So they believe the lies, repeat the lies, live with the lies of what their island and it's inhabitants are really like.  Somewhere in there is Peter de Vries story and I want to read every word of it in English.  I want it translated into 17 different languages and posted on the Internet.  I want Robot to put a robotic hand around the necks of PJ2K and anyone else known to be involved in the rape and/or murder of any woman and close that robotic hand until their eyes pop out.  I used to want Aruba nuked, but that would be politically incorrect at this time because of N. Korea and Iran.  So I've decided on the Robot solution.  And I feel better now.  

I just turned the age of the year I was born.  I certainly hope this good year/good luck thing is true.

[LilPuma]

What a bunch of BS that article is.

Everyone on that dirty little island thinks Nat is alive somewhere and that was investigated by every newsperson on that island.

Every person on the FOB and RU thinks Nat is alive and ran off.

Even Dr. Phil in his special on the subject alluded to Nat being captive.

Where's this guys evidence that such a possiblity exists?

the party-line in aruba is that she ran away... they have indoctrinated everyone into believing that... or threatened them...

It's usually quite easy to convince people that what they want to believe is true.

[carpe noctem]

I have never mentioned this on here before, but I have discussed it with Anna, but no one else.  There used to be lurkers from the NL, who came from websites regarding blond having sex with dogs.  This lurker was on many, many times.  Then some starting coming on here very late at night from different places in Europe from sites that were similar, like "girls gone wild with dogs."  I do not doubt anything nor put anything past these  sleezy Arubans, Joran, and their ilk and even his own parents.  I think they would drug a Natalee and force her to have sex with dogs if they could get a video of that, and I think further they would try to sell, later on if they are cleared, a video of Natalee dying.  I think they have no scruples.  Now, I have said that.  Watch the site meter.  I think you might get a clue why anna and I have worried about the dog thing.

I pray that Natalee did not have to endure something as horrendous as bestiality.  I pray that she died of an overdose or injury received early in the course of the evening and was not tortured or filmed. If they did anything to her like that, they deserve to be stung between the legs by a swarm of killer bees, until their willies burst from swelling, and then the birds peck off what's left.  It needs to be slow and agonizing.

Ooowww I can see all the men here holding their willies just from that statement. Hurts to just think about it. LOL  

A passel of stings does not a swollen red WILLIE make?    

[LilPuma]

Well, my parting comment for the evening is completely OT but near and dear to my heart (animal rights) :  

Carl Sagan asks "How smart does a chimp have to be before killing him constitutes murder?"  

Night Monkeys.  Sleep well.  Truth and justice will prevail.  (I have to believe that.)

[Leslie]

LilPuma:   Happy Birthday wishes on your lucky 53rd birthday.

[spooky112483]

Carpe! Nice to see you in here. I have enjoyed reading your posts on the FP. Welcome to the cage.

[justinsmama]

Good morning, monkeys! Last day of work before the holiday weekend! Whoohoo!

Hey Carpe!

[GreatOwl]

May you all have a very wonderful Thanksgiving.  I do hope that you can spend it with family.

[blah]

"Natalee wanted to come with us"
"She wanted to see the lighthouse & the sharks"

* Joran had killed his dog
* Deepak came with '2 dogs'
* Mattress/dead dog found on Grapefield Beach

I have never mentioned this on here before, but I have discussed it with Anna, but no one else.  There used to be lurkers from the NL, who came from websites regarding blond having sex with dogs.  This lurker was on many, many times.  Then some starting coming on here very late at night from different places in Europe from sites that were similar, like "girls gone wild with dogs."  I do not doubt anything nor put anything past these  sleezy Arubans, Joran, and their ilk and even his own parents.  I think they would drug a Natalee and force her to have sex with dogs if they could get a video of that, and I think further they would try to sell, later on if they are cleared, a video of Natalee dying.  I think they have no scruples.  Now, I have said that.  Watch the site meter.  I think you might get a clue why anna and I have worried about the dog thing.

Tyler, I brought this up the morning I saw all of those nasty pictures on a friend of Jorans girlfriends website.  I think the topic was just far too disturbing for people to even think about little alone discuss.  The women I saw on that website had to have been drugged or held under gunpoint in order to be performing the acts they were performing.  Those pictures were removed from that website minutes after I brought it up here.

You and Anna are not the only ones who have been wondering/sickened about the dog thing.  Those pictures and videos have to come from somewhere.  We know how the pimps lives revolve around porn.  Even the elder man of the ditch is into it, giving his son porn to watch at school.

[Leslie]

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
AweMainta
http://www.awemainta.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

[Leslie]

BonDia - November 21, 2006 - Section B - Page 6
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Nov/21/B-21-11-06.pdf
It is the latest edition of Bondia available (but the first chance I had to to read beyond section A).  There is an article about how some Americans behave themselves in Aruba and 3 pictures from www.coolaruba.com to prove these allegations.  Natalee Holloway's name is mentioned.
Prepare to be offended.  Note that the heading says "Opinion" yet the author hasn't stated his/her name.

[blah]

BonDia - November 21, 2006 - Section B - Page 6
http://www.cspnv.com/archivo/pdf/Nov/21/B-21-11-06.pdf
It is the latest edition of Bondia available (but the first chance I had to to read beyond section A).  There is an article about how some Americans behave themselves in Aruba and 3 pictures from www.coolaruba.com to prove these allegations.  Natalee Holloway's name is mentioned.
Prepare to be offended.  Note that the heading says "Opinion" yet the author hasn't stated his/her name.

Aruba - now would be a good time to quit digging.

Put the shovel down and climb out of the hole.

[Leslie]

Was this video filmed in Aruba?  
http://tinyurl.com/vulqs