Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 - 8/13/09

[2NJSons_Mom]

Didn't the headmaster or director of ISA leave Aruba for a position in SA?   Reading Blonde's posts today made me think of this.   Just a thought, and I know many of you are much more aware of what transpired on other boards than I.

I believe it was Joran's teacher.  IIRC there was talk that Joran's teacher took end of school years pictures, but left Aruba.  Discussion involved those who would like to see if Joran had scratches on his face, etc.

 

Thanks, Can.  I just looked it up and Headmaster Robert Werner left Aruba and started as Headmaster in Rio de Janeiro (Escola Americana) in 2007.

http://www.earj.com.br/about-earj/communications/6060BCC20C4848ECBCC7AD710FC132D2.pdf

Yw.  Headmaster left in 2007.
IIRC, Joran's teacher left Aruba at the end of the school year in 2005.  Because it was said, I think by one of the student's in Joran's class...the teacher took class pictures there was a lively discussion about asking the teacher for the picture to see if Joran had scratches on arms, hands, face, etc.  Family friends visited the school shortly after Natalee disappeared.
Alas...the teacher went poof!
This is the best I can recall.  Sorry.

I meant to add that I now remember this, too.  Jen is right...you have a good memory.  I think we speculated if he was the teacher who accompanied Joran during the Greta interview or the Cuomo one....(see my memory isn't all that great        )

[can]

Didn't the headmaster or director of ISA leave Aruba for a position in SA?   Reading Blonde's posts today made me think of this.   Just a thought, and I know many of you are much more aware of what transpired on other boards than I.

I believe it was Joran's teacher.  IIRC there was talk that Joran's teacher took end of school years pictures, but left Aruba.  Discussion involved those who would like to see if Joran had scratches on his face, etc.

 

Thanks, Can.  I just looked it up and Headmaster Robert Werner left Aruba and started as Headmaster in Rio de Janeiro (Escola Americana) in 2007.

http://www.earj.com.br/about-earj/communications/6060BCC20C4848ECBCC7AD710FC132D2.pdf

Yw.  Headmaster left in 2007.
IIRC, Joran's teacher left Aruba at the end of the school year in 2005.  Because it was said, I think by one of the student's in Joran's class...the teacher took class pictures there was a lively discussion about asking the teacher for the picture to see if Joran had scratches on arms, hands, face, etc.  Family friends visited the school shortly after Natalee disappeared.
Alas...the teacher went poof!
This is the best I can recall.  Sorry.

I meant to add that I now remember this, too.  Jen is right...you have a good memory.  I think we speculated if he was the teacher who accompanied Joran during the Greta interview or the Cuomo one....(see my memory isn't all that great        )

  
Speaking of memory . . . now what did I have for lunch today?!   

[can]

This came to me in the night last night.......could Reality be a team effort like Caps and Bondia?

That seems to be a trend with the ATA/AHATA group and their campaigns

As Klaas often reminds us, posters can be anyone they want to be . . . they can even come in multiples.   

[ohcanada]

Goodday Monkeys

Please forgive the intrusion.

(notice i used capitals)
Just some thoughts i need cleared up please?
I'm still working on the original crime
(in my head) the persistence and stuff is
tooooo deep for me yet but I'm getting there

Starting at the time of death

joran contacts someone or more than one to help him...
this person or persons have tremendous power
on the island

who ever comes to help him has the disposal routine down pat
(done it before)
I think the cage was already there and used this way before
(latitude and longitude tip) if time lines hold  things happened way
to fast to be thinking on the go

who ever comes to help has the power to have the RADAR turned
off so the location of Natalee won't be disclosed... it would be really
obvious and easy to find her if the radar was working....a small boat
out that far that late at night

who ever comes to help has a boat that no one would question what they
are doing anywhere on the water(even picking up a body)...also no one would even go near them
(the cops)

Do they log the boats where abouts..like the do the cars...
you know...(car 15 is 10/10 at the donut shop or whatever their codes are)

who ever comes to help has the ability to dive down to the cage
to put Natalee in it(the cops) Klassend from your pictures of the cage
it looks like they knew exactly what to take ....even after they bagged things
you could tell they didn't search the BACK of the cage ...nothing looks disturbed
Do the cop divers have to log out equipment etc(special gear) like they do with
other special equipment?


Natalee's dad was told by I think Dompig that Natalee was in the
the ocean
A cops brother tells Tim Miller (I think) the co-ordinates

Cops scoop and run with the evidence from the cage......
If it wasn"t Natalee .......WHY WOULDNT THEY BRING IT TO THE PERSISTENCE
  SHIP TO SHOW THE PEOPLE ON THERE you know ..like ...this is what you
found ...The only reason's to scoop and run would be  IT WAS NATALEE
 or proof of another crime......if another crime...you would still
bring it to the other ship...if for nothing other then a "way to go guys"
gesture

Was the fabric given to the FBI at the time of discovery ....or at a later
date....after substituting it? 

Finally could the cops be he same cops that took the payoffs that joran mentioned
in his last interview with Greta...the one where he says he sold Natalee
I say this because i think there are little bits of truth in all of jorans
lies.....and in that last interview he states that he felt he gave Greta enough
clues to solve the case......

Once again Monkeys
Sorry for the Intrusion

If there are factual answers to these statements i would really like to
know

Thanx for your time
Yous Guys

[klaasend]

Goodday Monkeys

Please forgive the intrusion.

(notice i used capitals)
Just some thoughts i need cleared up please?
I'm still working on the original crime
(in my head) the persistence and stuff is
tooooo deep for me yet but I'm getting there

Starting at the time of death

joran contacts someone or more than one to help him...
this person or persons have tremendous power
on the island

who ever comes to help him has the disposal routine down pat
(done it before)
I think the cage was already there and used this way before
(latitude and longitude tip) if time lines hold  things happened way
to fast to be thinking on the go

who ever comes to help has the power to have the RADAR turned
off so the location of Natalee won't be disclosed... it would be really
obvious and easy to find her if the radar was working....a small boat
out that far that late at night (there were big holes in their radar back then)

who ever comes to help has a boat that no one would question what they
are doing anywhere on the water(even picking up a body)...also no one would even go near them
(the cops)  (this was the last night of the Soul Beach Festival - boats out at all night - nothing suspicious)

Do they log the boats where abouts..like the do the cars...
you know...(car 15 is 10/10 at the donut shop or whatever their codes are) (I would be shocked if they did)

who ever comes to help has the ability to dive down to the cage
to put Natalee in it(the cops) Klassend from your pictures of the cage
it looks like they knew exactly what to take ....even after they bagged things
you could tell they didn't search the BACK of the cage ...nothing looks disturbed
Do the cop divers have to log out equipment etc(special gear) like they do with
other special equipment?


Natalee's dad was told by I think Dompig that Natalee was in the
the ocean
A cops brother tells Tim Miller (I think) the co-ordinates

Cops scoop and run with the evidence from the cage......
If it wasn"t Natalee .......WHY WOULDNT THEY BRING IT TO THE PERSISTENCE
  SHIP TO SHOW THE PEOPLE ON THERE you know ..like ...this is what you
found ...The only reason's to scoop and run would be  IT WAS NATALEE
 or proof of another crime......if another crime...you would still
bring it to the other ship...if for nothing other then a "way to go guys"
gesture

Was the fabric given to the FBI at the time of discovery ....or at a later
date....after substituting it?  (we will never know because it was the Aruban's that retrieved the items)

Finally could the cops be he same cops that took the payoffs that joran mentioned
in his last interview with Greta...the one where he says he sold Natalee
I say this because i think there are little bits of truth in all of jorans
lies.....and in that last interview he states that he felt he gave Greta enough
clues to solve the case......  (Joran would love for you to believe Natalee was sold)

Once again Monkeys
Sorry for the Intrusion

If there are factual answers to these statements i would really like to
know

Thanx for your time
Yous Guys

My comments in red

[Kermit]

Carter aka Reality:
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=610.msg24332#msg24332
_______________________________________________________

Reality sent this photo to Blonde and said it was himself.



Reality said this is a photo of him on the left and Mark Purcell on the right.


I think I have a couple more photos that he sent to other women saying it was him.
Soon as I find them I'll post them.

[Kermit]

I do not recall who sent this to me, but someone else was on to Mark Purcell who also talked to him

MGP is also MIP6....... I just talked to him, he is in Aruba he says. this is also what I got.
Domain Name (Unknown) IP Address 204.212.123.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
204.212.123.129 ISP Sprint Location Is NOT from ARUBA as we all know

Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Barcelona
Lat/Long : 12.5167, -70.0167 (Map)
Language English (United States)
en-us Operating System Microsoft WinXP Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; acc=; acc=none; iebar) Javascript version 1.3 Monitor
Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 16 bits
Time of Visit Dec 25 2005 10:55:15 pm Last Page View Dec 25 2005 10:58:44 pm Visit Length 3 minutes 29 seconds Page Views 8 Referring URL http://search.yahoo....ggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8 Search Engine search.yahoo.com Search Words blogs for natalee Visit Entry Page http://www.blogsfornatalee.com/forum/ Visit Exit Page http://blogsfornatalee.com/chat.html Time Zone UTC-4:00
AST - Atlantic Standard Time Visitor's Time Dec 25 2005 11:55:15 pm Visit Number 303,595

is also MIP6

So I asked..................
Name deleted> can i ask you a question???
MGP> Yes (name deleted). sorry late I lost you
Name deleted> your in aruba right????
MGP> yes I am, you can ask Deb she knows
MGP> everybody knows, I told them from the first day I came to this chatroom
MGP> why?
Name deleted> also where MIP6 is
Name deleted> wondering if someone is sharing your connection

__________________________________________________________________
MIP6 trace of ISP
Trace of 204.212.123
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[Kermit]

Discussion about a lude photo that was PMd to the members of BFN


Reality
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Re: OPEN DISCUSSION - NATALEE - AUG. 2006 (#1)
« Reply #448 on: Today at 12:21:45 PM »
Reply with quote
Quote from: Suzie on Today at 12:13:31 PM
Reality, how do you know what was in the picture? Did you get one too?

Yes, I got one, but taking into account that I have one superior already, I wasn't impressed.

Were you ?

[mytime]

Looks like BNH reopened their thread!!   

BTW - Poisson does mean "Fish" - 

[Kermit]

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M? d? tàiPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:50 pm   Post subject: Reality's post @ BFN    Reply with quote
I was sent this in my personal email .
Reality is mad he was on WS many times as Lomas,Cleaveland ,etc. always asking me for personal pictures of myself.
We banned his butt everytime he showed up so now he's looking for us
Please do NOT give him a Link.
He said so many things about Debbie to me in the many PM I got daily.
and I have saved them. Cool Look what he posted On BFN
I took a screen shot of my email . Cool
Faith can you make bigger also BLADES he wanted you Banned
____________________________________

[Kermit]

Sat, 04 March 2006 10:26
Lomas is currently onlineLomas AKA REALITY
Messages: 13
Registered: March 2006

Blonde

I think DEBBIE has ISSUES !

And I really am not angry with her, I think I feel sorry for !


I think that she lives in a Little World of her own and Fantasisis about these things, which actually is VERY SAD !

By the way, You are very cute,

I just wasn't going to say it because you were being "mean" to me, but Yeah, you are lovely,
if that was you. Wink

Anyway, I must go to bed, its late.


Should I ask DEBBIE if you are banned there ?

I dont think that you are.

[Kermit]

Lomas is currently onlineLomas
AKA REALITY
Messages: 13
Registered: March 2006

You and me, go back to the old forum days, you KNOW that i joke and its silly to think that I am BAD !

I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with BFN other than JUST A POSTER there.

AND I have NOTHING against YOU, I actually enjoy your posts and jokes but this shit has just got completely out of hand.

And PLEASE stop fighting with me.

there we GO ! Now BAN ME !

[Blue Moon]

Carter aka Reality:
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=610.msg24332#msg24332
_______________________________________________________

Reality sent this photo to Blonde and said it was himself.



Reality said this is a photo of him on the left and Mark Purcell on the right.


I think I have a couple more photos that he sent to other women saying it was him.
Soon as I find them I'll post them.

NICE CATCH                (fish that is).   

[Kermit]

Reality sent this photo to a woman poster. He said it was a photo of himself and that his name is Clive Young.

[Kermit]

Reality sent this photo to a woman poster. He said it was a photo of himself and that his name is Clive Young.



He sent this photo to another woman and told her it was a photo of himself

[Blonde]

Reality sent this photo to a woman poster. He said it was a photo of himself and that his name is Clive Young.

Yes I do remember this picture he sent to  SingerCarolyn he was in love.

[Tamikosmom]

Sat, 04 March 2006 10:26
Lomas is currently onlineLomas AKA REALITY
Messages: 13
Registered: March 2006

Blonde

I think DEBBIE has ISSUES !

And I really am not angry with her, I think I feel sorry for !


I think that she lives in a Little World of her own and Fantasisis about these things, which actually is VERY SAD !

By the way, You are very cute,

I just wasn't going to say it because you were being "mean" to me, but Yeah, you are lovely,
if that was you. Wink

Anyway, I must go to bed, its late.


Should I ask DEBBIE if you are banned there ?

I dont think that you are.

Debbie is thisclose to both Mark Purcell and Reality.  She refers to Reality as a great friend.  It is sad but ... she does not seem to realize that she allowed her original honorable goal to pursue justice for Natalee to take a backseat to assist these trolls to further the Aruban agenda.  What was in it for her?  Was it worth it.

Debbie ... read the above words of Reality and ... then read the following words of Mark Purcell one month prior to the enfamous "Robin" post uphold him.  Then look yourself in the mirror.

 

Debbie ... It has been three years since your betrayal of Natalee ... your exodus to the darkside and ... I cannot let it go.

Janet

+++++++


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 3:08 pm
Doesn’t surprise me any that Debbie would do that. The title of this thread is “Debbie’s Integrity” should read “Debbie’s total lack of Morals & Integrity”. She is the head cheerleader for all things Twitty / Holloway. Someone mentioned to me that Debbie was just being “used” by the family to move the family agenda forward, I called Bullshit, Debbie knows exactly what she is doing. This is a blatant attempt to smear Julia because the Twitholes fear her knowledge of what they did here in Aruba. Just like all others who where close to the family in the beginning, they now have put in play a planned focused effort to discredit Julia. This family of the runaway Natalee are the lowest forms of life I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing in my life time. I can’t wait for the day when the house of cards that the Twitholes have built on there ongoing lies and deception comes falling down around there shoulders. I also can not wait until the day that Julia tells all, even though she is a class act, I think she will someday put it all out there.

[Blonde]

IS BNH an open fourm now?
Is GaGirl still there?

[MuffyBee]

Will the REAL Clive, please stand up?   

[Tamikosmom]

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Re: Debbie and BFN
« Reply #15 on: Today at 06:42:22 PM »
   
I can verify the Robin is Robin Holloway... I can also verify that Meri was, and probably still is, going to "out" BFN.  A few if us have known this for a few days. The names listed by Robin are the ones that she plans to belittle.

Ramm is a wonderful person and our translator... thank him for ALL the translations that we have.

Reality may have come off as bad to some but he has been a great friend to me and has helped me a lot behind the scenes looking for stuff.

BUMPED