Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 - 8/13/09

[Tamikosmom]

Check out
Shield Group NV
http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=36301

Oh holy mother...........

So GEERMAN, EDGARD does Network Security for DOMPIG?!?!?!?!?!?

So Dompig left the Polis to start a Security(Disinformation)Company?

Dompig................the ONE individual who thwarted what was to be the FIRST ocean search, organized by Tim Miller.

All Dompig had to do was pick up the phone and make a phone call to allow the US ships to come in.

And he failed to do so.

After Tim and Dave left Aruba thinking it was all moving forward.

And now...............a possible connection between Dompig and the pond witness hoaxter to, ONCE AGAIN, detract from an Ocean search.

Could be but ...

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  "Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.

[Tamikosmom]

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Oh holy mother...........

So GEERMAN, EDGARD does Network Security for DOMPIG?!?!?!?!?!?

So Dompig left the Polis to start a Security(Disinformation)Company?

ARUBAN CONNECTION - SPECULATION

DOMPIG AND SATISH OR DEEPAK OR MICHAEL ?  GEERMAN

Think of a detective who certainly knew more than he was telling, and think of his computer network security guy.....then read Kyle's words.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS[/b]

Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:  the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:  The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him

Kyle Kingman:  "Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.


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DOMPIG: - SEARCH THE OCEAN

FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007

TIM MILLER: ... Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep" and we always thought about the water anyhow.


CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - DAVE HOLLOWAY

Page 167/168:  We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalee and that they either left her at the boat launch or the lighthouse.  From there, they supposedly went to a field area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move.  According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fishermen's huts to get a steel cage to put Natalee into; they then used a boat to carry her about two to three miles out into the ocean and drop her there.  The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.  He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill ...


GEROLD DOMPIG AND FRED GOLBA

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

COSBY:  You know, Steve, we‘ve had Tim Miller from EquuSearch, all these different guys on there.  They were all sort of turned down by Dompig and it seemed like the Aruban government, of course, the chief of police there.  Why this team? 

STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT:  Well, it‘s a process, of course, that goes back to the Forensic Institute of Holland.  Chief Dompig has been back there twice now. 

And I think what was happening was a determination of just exactly what techniques, in terms of specificity, could one investigator bring to bear versus another? And, of course, Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11857796/

Mine in red....

Could be but ...

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  "Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.

[jen3560]

I don't know if this is connected or not but check this out

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=37784

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=30650

Liquidator..................................hmmmmmmm

[Tamikosmom]

MuffyBee

Please delete my post 120.  I responded to the wrong post.

Thanks.

Janet

Don't worry about it...you got the message across.

[Tamikosmom]

My little but "very pregnant" DIL is at this moment ...

 

MOM ... IT IS ALL COMING TOGETHER!!


Janet

Janet - did you see my adjustment to your speculation post?

Yes ... I did.  I will leave DIL to figure it all out this morning.  Off to the bowling alley for a couple games with grandkids.

Jen ... she is so excited.

 

Janet
9:35 AM PT

[jen3560]

Janet,

IIRC, what Kyle was referring to there was that letter from Deepak's "cousin".

[jen3560]

My little but "very pregnant" DIL is at this moment ...

 

MOM ... IT IS ALL COMING TOGETHER!!


Janet

Janet - did you see my adjustment to your speculation post?

Yes ... I did.  I will leave DIL to figure it all out this morning.  Off to the bowling alley for a couple games with grandkids.

Jen ... she is so excited.

 

Janet
9:35 AM PT

Give her a big smooch for me!

[jen3560]

Janet,

IIRC, what Kyle was referring to there was that letter from Deepak's "cousin".

Also, Kyle saw both Deepak and Satish at a bar while he was there.  So he would have known if it was either of them who approached the Persistence with the Detective.

[hotping]

I wonder if this is the Rob Smith

Aruba Hospitality and Security Foundation

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28308

[Magnolia]

I wonder if this is the Rob Smith

Aruba Hospitality and Security Foundation

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28308

SMITH, ROBERT PAUL; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A., PENNSYLVANIA on 14 FEBRUARY 1966 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  16 APRIL 2004 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SS said at GM that she was raised in Pennsylvania....coinkydance?

[2NJSons_Mom]

I wonder if this is the Rob Smith

Aruba Hospitality and Security Foundation

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28308

SMITH, ROBERT PAUL; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A., PENNSYLVANIA on 14 FEBRUARY 1966 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  16 APRIL 2004 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SS said at GM that she was raised in Pennsylvania....coinkydance?

I was thinking she said something here....was just going to look.   

[jen3560]

I wonder if this is the Rob Smith

Aruba Hospitality and Security Foundation

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28308

SMITH, ROBERT PAUL; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A., PENNSYLVANIA on 14 FEBRUARY 1966 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  16 APRIL 2004 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SS said at GM that she was raised in Pennsylvania....coinkydance?

[Magnolia]

I wonder if this is the Rob Smith

Aruba Hospitality and Security Foundation

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=28308

SMITH, ROBERT PAUL; 
Residing in  SALINA CERCA 39-D, NOORD, ARUBA 
Born in  U.S.A., PENNSYLVANIA on 14 FEBRUARY 1966 
Nationality  AMERICAN 
Position  PRESIDENT 
Effective  16 APRIL 2004 
Authority  RESTRICTED 
   
SS said at GM that she was raised in Pennsylvania....coinkydance?

I was thinking she said something here....was just going to look.   

Noting Rob Smith's DOB, she could be his mother as in Siddalee /Renfro

[2NJSons_Mom]

Dialogue between SS and MuminOhio Nov.'08.

Mum - do you have any idea where in northern Pennsyvania this house is located?  I'm from SE Pennsylvania.  Harrisburg is not in northern PA.  It's in the southern portion of central PA.  I wonder if Urine could be headed for Pennsylvania.  I've got my car keys and a camera ready to go.

 

-snipped-

The rest here:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4044.msg535618#msg535618

[hotping]

This could be him same DOB


SMITH, ROBERT P (Age 43)
 1950 Stemmons Fwy #6001, DALLAS, TX 75207
2669 Donald Ross Rd, WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33410
4803 Water Oak Ct, WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33410
7334 James St, HOBE SOUND, FL 33455
4803 Water Oak Ct, PALM BEACH GARDENS, FL 33410
1106 Commons Ln, MARIETTA, GA 30062
107 Vinings Crst #107, SMYRNA, GA 30080
2003 Paces Vinings Dr, SMYRNA, GA 30080
2818 Northplace Way, SMYRNA, GA 30080
107 Calibre Vinings Way, SMYRNA, GA 30080
6320 Pine Ln, LAKELAND, FL 33813    02/14/1966

 Possible Relatives:

RUSSELL, ANN SMITH (Age 71)
SMITH, SHEILA LYN (Age 40)
SMITH, JEFFREY OWEN (Age 48)
SMITH, STEPHEN B (Age 51)
SMITH, DOUGLAS SCOTT (Age 39)
SMITH, CAROL A (Age 74)
SMITH, CHARLES JOSEPH (Age 80)
SMITH, GEORGE M (Age 59)
SMITH, KIMBERLY FREY (Age 53)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DAVIS, HAL SPARKS (Age 43)
SCHREINER, AMY L (Age 35)
SHAW, MARCIA YVONNE (Age 66)
SHAW, AMANDARAE (Age 36)

[Magnolia]

SS will be claiming again that someone is stalking her.
I will remind her that it is not stalking to look up someone's name.

[Anna]

Has anyone mentioned Dompig's special relationship with Fred Goldba?  He was even complaining because Beth did not pay Goldba right from the start.  He obviously much preferred Goldba to search than TES and I believe even recently mention was made of the cooperative relationship between Dompig and or ALE and Goldba.

So is that why Goldba was chosen to do the pond farce?  I would have screamed if I saw what could have been the remains of my child being blasted with a fire hose in that manner but that's just me.  Worse than not even looking, IMO.

[texasmom]

This could be him same DOB


SMITH, ROBERT P (Age 43)
1950 Stemmons Fwy #6001, DALLAS, TX 75207
2669 Donald Ross Rd, WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33410
4803 Water Oak Ct, WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33410
7334 James St, HOBE SOUND, FL 33455
4803 Water Oak Ct, PALM BEACH GARDENS, FL 33410
1106 Commons Ln, MARIETTA, GA 30062
107 Vinings Crst #107, SMYRNA, GA 30080
2003 Paces Vinings Dr, SMYRNA, GA 30080
2818 Northplace Way, SMYRNA, GA 30080
107 Calibre Vinings Way, SMYRNA, GA 30080
6320 Pine Ln, LAKELAND, FL 33813    02/14/1966

 Possible Relatives:

RUSSELL, ANN SMITH (Age 71)
SMITH, SHEILA LYN (Age 40)
SMITH, JEFFREY OWEN (Age 48)
SMITH, STEPHEN B (Age 51)
SMITH, DOUGLAS SCOTT (Age 39)
SMITH, CAROL A (Age 74)
SMITH, CHARLES JOSEPH (Age 80)
SMITH, GEORGE M (Age 59)
SMITH, KIMBERLY FREY (Age 53)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DAVIS, HAL SPARKS (Age 43)
SCHREINER, AMY L (Age 35)
SHAW, MARCIA YVONNE (Age 66)
SHAW, AMANDARAE (Age 36)

Wyndham Corporate
(214) 863-1000

1950 N Stemmons Fwy
Ste 6001
 
Dallas, TX 75207

http://local.botw.org/Texas/Dallas/Wyndham_Corporate/82272554.html

[Anna]

http://www.travelbanter.com/showthread.php?s=ee346cf5998e0497beab296bd9dd0d22&p=974230#post974230


Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. (NYSE: OSE; RCL) today announced earnings
for the second quarter of 2009 and provided updated guidance for the
third quarter and full year.

Key Highlights

* Second quarter 2009 net loss was $35.1 million, or $0.16 per
share, compared to net income of $84.7 million, or $0.40 per share in
2008. The results were consistent with the company's most recent
disclosures.
* Net Yields for the second quarter decreased 17.9% versus 2008
and declined 14.2% on a constant dollar basis.
* Net Cruise Costs per APCD ("NCC") for the second quarter
decreased 11.5% versus 2008 and declined 8.5% on a constant dollar
basis. NCC, excluding bunker for the second quarter declined 8.4%
versus 2008 and declined 4.7% on a constant dollar basis.
* Earnings per share ("EPS") are expected to be between $0.95 and
$1.00 in the third quarter and between $0.70 and $0.80 per share for
the full year.
* The company projects net yields to decline approximately 18% in
the third quarter and approximately 14% for the full year. On a
constant dollar basis net yields are projected to decline 15% - 16% in
the third quarter and 11% - 12% for the full year.
* The H1N1 virus impacted EPS by approximately $0.05 in the second
quarter and is expected to have a $0.18 and $0.27 impact on the third
quarter and full year, respectively.

"Obviously, the economy continues to be a challenge and the impact
from the publicity surrounding H1N1 has been very frustrating," said
Richard D. Fain, chairman and chief executive officer. "However, the
demand environment has shown remarkable stability and, with the
extraordinary performance of our newest vessels and easier
comparables, we look forward to improving yields in 2010. In the
meantime, we remain vigilantly focused on cost management and
liquidity," Fain continued.

-----------

Not looking good at all for the cruise industry in the region, yet anothetr blow to the regional economy.

[hotping]

This could be him same DOB


SMITH, ROBERT P (Age 43)
1950 Stemmons Fwy #6001, DALLAS, TX 75207
2669 Donald Ross Rd, WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33410
4803 Water Oak Ct, WEST PALM BEACH, FL 33410
7334 James St, HOBE SOUND, FL 33455
4803 Water Oak Ct, PALM BEACH GARDENS, FL 33410
1106 Commons Ln, MARIETTA, GA 30062
107 Vinings Crst #107, SMYRNA, GA 30080
2003 Paces Vinings Dr, SMYRNA, GA 30080
2818 Northplace Way, SMYRNA, GA 30080
107 Calibre Vinings Way, SMYRNA, GA 30080
6320 Pine Ln, LAKELAND, FL 33813    02/14/1966

 Possible Relatives:

RUSSELL, ANN SMITH (Age 71)
SMITH, SHEILA LYN (Age 40)
SMITH, JEFFREY OWEN (Age 48)
SMITH, STEPHEN B (Age 51)
SMITH, DOUGLAS SCOTT (Age 39)
SMITH, CAROL A (Age 74)
SMITH, CHARLES JOSEPH (Age 80)
SMITH, GEORGE M (Age 59)
SMITH, KIMBERLY FREY (Age 53)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DAVIS, HAL SPARKS (Age 43)
SCHREINER, AMY L (Age 35)
SHAW, MARCIA YVONNE (Age 66)
SHAW, AMANDARAE (Age 36)

Wyndham Corporate
(214) 863-1000

1950 N Stemmons Fwy
Ste 6001
 
Dallas, TX 75207

http://local.botw.org/Texas/Dallas/Wyndham_Corporate/82272554.html