Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 - 8/13/09

[Buckeye]

At one time, we had discussed who Anita was kicking, upon Joran's release from KIA.

Refugees posted a facebook of Richie Kock, one of Joran's attorneys.  I believe he is the "kickee".

http://nl-nl.facebook.com/richie.kock

[San]

At one time, we had discussed who Anita was kicking, upon Joran's release from KIA.

Refugees posted a facebook of Richie Kock, one of Joran's attorneys.  I believe he is the "kickee".

http://nl-nl.facebook.com/richie.kock

Yes he was the kickee Buckeye.  He was also one of the attorneys standing outside the courtroom right behind Anita.

[texasmom]

Yes, I remember well when we figured out that was Richie Kock!  Finally!   

Here's an article that tells when Richie Kock came on board for Joran's defense.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159970,00.html

Three Aruba Suspects Going to Prison

Saturday , June 18, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba —

One of the three suspects being held in Aruba for the disappearance of an Alabama teen vacationing there has been moved from a jail to a prison, while the other two are expected to be transported today, two sources confirmed with FOX News.

A judge ruled last night that Deepak Kalpoe, who was moved to a prison last night, Satish Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot can be held for eight more days while the investigation into Natalee Holloway's (search) disappearance continues.

Authorities on Friday arrested another person in connection with the disappearance of missing honors student, officials said.

According to sources, the new man detained is a 26-year-old friend of van der Sloot (search), the Dutch teenager who is said to have been with Holloway the night she disappeared.

The Aruban attorney general's office initially identified him only by the initials "S.G.C.," but Holloway's mother told an interviewer that his name was "Steve." FOX News later confirmed that the man's name was Steve Gregory Croes.

Meanwhile, police brought in yet another man for questioning Friday night, FOX News has learned. The man, Max Arends, who is also a friend of van der Sloot, is not a suspect in the case and has not been arrested.

Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told The Associated Press Croes was detained based on information from one of the other three detainees.

Croes, who works as a party boat disk jockey, said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.

Croes also said he knew one of two Surinamese brothers being detained in the case because they went to the same Internet cafe, Wiggins told The Associated Press. However, Wiggins said that he had not seen the other three young men detained in the case on the boat where Croes works, a vessel called the Tattoo that offers nightly dining, swimming and dancing.

As for Croes' work ethic, Wiggins had nothing bad to say.

"I've never had problems with him," Wiggins told the AP. "He keeps to himself and shows up to work every day and does his job."

In Alabama, a woman who helped organize the graduation trip, Jody Bearman, said students did not go on the Tattoo as a group, although some could have taken a boat ride without the seven adult chaperones knowing.

"The chaperones were not supposed to keep up with their every move," Bearman said.

FOX News also learned that police may have questioned yet another young man, said to be of Dutch nationality, on Thursday night.

Mariaine Croes, spokeswoman for the Aruban Attorney General Caren Janssen, confirmed that Steve Croes was "in custody and being interrogated."

"Every day that the investigation continues," she told FOX News, "we are a step closer to solving this case."

Mariaine Croes also said she was no relation to Steve Croes, adding that the surname was a common one on the island.

In a separate development, a judge ruled that two of the detainees, Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe (search), 21, and Satish Kalpoe (search), 18, were granted access to documents they have asked for, according to their lawyer.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were questioned and released shortly after Holloway's May 30 disappearance, but then formally arrested June 9, after police moved their focus away from two security guards who had been arrested and were later released.

Beth Holloway Twitty, Holloway's mother, declined to give any more details about Croes but she told Associated Press Television News that she believes more people could be detained in the case.

"This is just the beginning," she said.

Holloway Twitty has been in Aruba (search) since nearly the early days of the search for her daughter.

"I want my daughter and I want her now," she said. "I'm very frustrated. We are in day 18 with no answers."

Paul Reynolds, Holloway's uncle, told FOX News the family remained confident that they would find out what happened.

"The authorities in Aruba and the United States are assuring us every effort will be made to find out what has occurred," Reynolds said Friday.

Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers appeared in court Friday morning. It was not clear where Croes was being held.

Prosecutors asked a judge to rule that there was sufficient cause to continue holding van der Sloot and the Kalpoes. The three were detained June 9. Under the law, a judge must review their case after 10 days, rendering a decision by Sunday.

No one has been charged with a crime in the case.

The judge granted a petition by van der Sloot's father, Paul, to visit his son in jail, but then reversed the decision. Paul van der Sloot is a judge-in-training, serving a three-year term on the bench that allows him to hear a limited number of cases.

Also Friday, the court barred van der Sloot's lawyer, Antonio Carlo, from visiting the teen, effectively removing him from the case, said Attorney General spokeswoman Mariaine Croes.

As a result, the van der Sloots retained two more attorneys for the defense of their son, Richie Kock and Arjan Debie.

The court granted prosecutors' request to remove Carlo because he had visited one of two former security guards who had been detained and released in the case, authorities said.

Croes said the Dutch teenager has a team of lawyers, so Carlo's removal will not leave van der Sloot without representation. The spokeswoman is not related to Steve Croes.

Carlo did not return calls seeking comment.

The judge was brought in from neighboring Curaçao island, as is typical in high-profile cases.

Holloway disappeared the same day she was to return from a five-day trip with 124 other students celebrating their graduation from high school in Mountain Brook, Ala.

Searches by authorities, volunteer islanders and tourists have come up empty. Authorities refused to say whether they believed Holloway was dead.

On Thursday, however, Police Superintendent Jan van der Straaten told The Associated Press that authorities used a helicopter "to search for possible remains — but found nothing." He declined to say where the search was conducted.

On Wednesday, authorities searched the van der Sloots' one-story, yellow-beige home, where Joran lived in an attached apartment. Agents were seen carrying two white garbage bags filled with items from the house, while authorities towed away a blue sport utility vehicle and a red Jeep from the property in Noord, outside the capital, Oranjestad.

After the approximately four-hour search, Janssen said Paul van der Sloot was not under investigation.

The Kalpoe brothers have told police that they and Joran were with Holloway the night she disappeared and that she and the Dutch youth were kissing in the back seat of their car. The detainees initially said they took Holloway to a northern beach and then dropped her off at her Holiday Inn.

But Antonius "Mickey" John, a former hotel security guard released from custody Sunday, said to reporters that Deepak Kalpoe told him during a chat in jail that he and his brother actually dropped the young van der Sloot and Holloway off together near the Marriott, about 10 blocks north of the Holiday Inn. John said he passed the information on to police.

On Tuesday, FBI agents and officers from the Miami-Dade police department used German Shepherds to search the area, known as Malmok beach, which is a popular nighttime spot for lovers.

Deepak Kalpoe's lawyer would not comment on John's statement Wednesday, but has said his client maintained his innocence.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[texasmom]

http://www.bbblegal.com/richie.php



http://www.bbblegal.com/richie_cv.php



Google translation:

Study:

  Tax Law, Leiden University, Netherlands

  Dutch Law, Leiden University, Netherlands

1997 - 2000

1992 - 1998



    Work experience:

  Advocaat-Medewerker at Bergman Bloem & Bergman,
   attorneys at law / tax lawyers, Sint Maarten, Netherlands Antilles 2007 - present
  Advocaat-Medewerker at Lexwell Lawyers
    Sint Maarten, Netherlands Antilles 2006 - 2007
  Advocaat-Medewerker by Carlo Antonio Lawyers, Aruba 2005 - 2006
  Advocate Trainee at Oomen & Offringa Lawyers, Aruba
2002 - 2005
  Junior Tax at Ernst & Young, Netherlands / Rotterdam
2001 - 2002
  Junior Tax at PricewaterhouseCoopers,
    Netherlands / Amsterdam
2000 - 2001


    Features:

  Member of the Board of the Bar Association (Treasurer) of Sint Maarten,
   Netherlands Antilles, since February 2008
  Member of the Board of the Young Bar 'of the Bar of Aruba in 2004
  Member of the Activities Committee of the Court of First Instance of Aruba (2002 - 2006)
  In his time as a student member of Bureau for Assistance in Leiden
   (Department of Employment) (1995 - 1996)

[texasmom]

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=103&page=1

Party Time @ Buster's & Chino Latino Aug 8

[Buckeye]

Thanks everyone.  I must have missed the final identifying of Kock.

[2NJSons_Mom]

[texasmom]

 

[texasmom]

8/9/2009 Awe24.com

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1501&offId=0&offDate=2009-08



Papiamentu translation:

3 hora happen | fecha: 09/08/2009 | horario: 10:16

2 dutch posiblemente militar owing to being see is core huy for of car staciona behind sr. froggs cu owing to being cendi intencionalmente

diadomingo madruga one acolyte of seguridad owing to raporta cu have 2 person purbando of light one car at candela in the parkinglot behind sr froggs, at arrival of police at the sitio after of owing to tarda very much self already end the 2 sospechosonan owing to bandona the sitio end y the car is full at candela. not mucho far of the car have 2 tnki of gas big cual was extremely dangerous y owing to ask for bomberonan pura arrive. at arrival of cuerpo of bombero at once they owing to combati the candela y owing to succeed pay this without cu the botternan of gas owing to become more dangerous.

(more pictures at link posted above)

http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/1501/7_1249827602.jpg

[Anna]

Hi ANNA! 

I'll make sure Anna doesn't miss your hello hotping! 

http://harryvanbommel.sp.nl/weblog/2008/11/10/peter-r/

Oh, you certainly know how to get my attention, TM!

Hi back to you and to Hotping and All the Monkeys today.  Sometimes I log on and then wander away doing other things.  But I do always go back and read all the posts in this thread.

And I still have hopes that Peter deVries may yet come up with something in this tragedy.  He apparently has the reputation of never giving up on a case.  Unlike some, he is not motivated by having the case just go away in the mistaken hope that this will magically restore tourism to Aruba.

 

[hotping]

John Walsh program about 20 Shocking Unsolved Crimes..with a segment about Natalee on now on the E Channel....Dish Network is channel 114...

[Tamikosmom]

Hi ANNA! 

I'll make sure Anna doesn't miss your hello hotping! 

http://harryvanbommel.sp.nl/weblog/2008/11/10/peter-r/

Oh, you certainly know how to get my attention, TM!

Hi back to you and to Hotping and All the Monkeys today.  Sometimes I log on and then wander away doing other things.  But I do always go back and read all the posts in this thread.

And I still have hopes that Peter deVries may yet come up with something in this tragedy.  He apparently has the reputation of never giving up on a case.  Unlike some, he is not motivated by having the case just go away in the mistaken hope that this will magically restore tourism to Aruba.

 

 

Anna ... this guy's good looks comes a close second to George Clooney in Tamikosmom's secret dreamworld but ... when she wake up and ... is unable to return to her dreamword no matter how hard she tries ... she faces is forced to face the real world.

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.

I hope all Monkeys are having a good Sunday.
 
Janet
3:10 PM PT

[Tamikosmom]

.... a hoax to not only distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 but ... also the participation of the sons of the elite ... those in the Aruban/Dutch Aministrations who were involved in the corrupt investigation/coverup ... the judges who ruled time and time again in favor of all the suspects and ... those involved in the dirty little secrets that encompass the Aruban underground econmy.

Janet

[San]

Hi ANNA! 

I'll make sure Anna doesn't miss your hello hotping! 

http://harryvanbommel.sp.nl/weblog/2008/11/10/peter-r/

Oh, you certainly know how to get my attention, TM!

Hi back to you and to Hotping and All the Monkeys today.  Sometimes I log on and then wander away doing other things.  But I do always go back and read all the posts in this thread.

And I still have hopes that Peter deVries may yet come up with something in this tragedy.  He apparently has the reputation of never giving up on a case.  Unlike some, he is not motivated by having the case just go away in the mistaken hope that this will magically restore tourism to Aruba.

 

 

Anna ... this guy's good looks comes a close second to George Clooney in Tamikosmom's secret dreamworld but ... when she wake up and ... is unable to return to her dreamword no matter how hard she tries ... she faces is forced to face the real world.

I believe that the secret vehicle tapes were all a hoax collaborated with the "powers that be" in Aruba to distance the Kalpoes and Paulus from implication in the events encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 and ... focus attention on "only" Joran and an "unknown" accomplist.  Keep it simple!

Think about it. Joran was a minor at the time Natalee Holloway went missing and ... the legal consequences for disposal of a body would be a slap on the wrist.

I hope all Monkeys are having a good Sunday.
 
Janet
3:10 PM PT

I have said this from the beginning.

It was keep it simple but there were many involved in this hoax.  Just like the wine throwing incident.  That was all intertwined.  JMO.

[Anna]

You may be right about that, Janet.  My sleaze meter goes off every time I see that  Patrick van der Eem.  Domestic violence, etc.  But until it is proven conclusively, I PREFER to think that if this happened, it was some scheme between vd Eem and Joran without de Vries being in on it.

Vd Sloot and vd Eem both have much stronger ties to Aruba than de Vries does and a far better motive for doing such a thing.  Plus they both seem to think they are smarter than everybody else.  Also de Vries found and published those horrid photos Joran had photoshopped showing him in photos with Natalee in MB as though Joran were there, etc.  so I don't believe Peter R is trying to protect much of anybody.   At least I hope he isn't.

I think I have learned from San not to get too excited over anybody any more, lol!  They all seem to let us down in the end but this one is just one fine looking man.  Be such a shame if he turned out to be as bad as the rest of them but nothing would really shock me any more.  Just be disappointing.

[Anna]

See, San?  I was typing that at the same time you were.  You never trust anybody and usually turn out to be right!

[Tamikosmom]

You may be right about that, Janet.  My sleaze meter goes off every time I see that  Patrick van der Eem.  Domestic violence, etc.  But until it is proven conclusively, I PREFER to think that if this happened, it was some scheme between vd Eem and Joran without de Vries being in on it.

Vd Sloot and vd Eem both have much stronger ties to Aruba than de Vries does and a far better motive for doing such a thing.  Plus they both seem to think they are smarter than everybody else.  Also de Vries found and published those horrid photos Joran had photoshopped showing him in photos with Natalee in MB as though Joran were there, etc.  so I don't believe Peter R is trying to protect much of anybody.   At least I hope he isn't.

I think I have learned from San not to get too excited over anybody any more, lol!  They all seem to let us down in the end but this one is just one fine looking man.  Be such a shame if he turned out to be as bad as the rest of them but nothing would really shock me any more.  Just be disappointing.

However ... there is a truth that they cannot take away from us Anna.  Peter Devries is one good looking guy.  His image has made both our hearts go THUMP from the getgo.

 

Janet

[Anna]

Yes, and there are so few handsome men associated with this whole disgusting denial of justice that it would be a shame if he is up to deceit himself and so that's why I PREFER to think it was a deal between Joran and vd Eem without Peter's knowledge or that maybe he just looked the other way or whatever and was not in on it.

I hate to think someone that handsome is rotten to the core like the rest of them but we really have no way of knowing.  He well could be orchestrating the whole thing.  Truth has been very hard to find in all this.

And TM, I see bastibro in that top photo with the lawyers, Ben Vocking, lol!

[Anna]

Appears Sr. Frog is carrying on the C&C tradition in style.


 

[San]

See, San?  I was typing that at the same time you were.  You never trust anybody and usually turn out to be right!

You got it Anna.  After four years we all have learned.