Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 - 8/13/09

[San]

See, San?  I was typing that at the same time you were.  You never trust anybody and usually turn out to be right!

You got it Anna.  After four years we all have learned.

This is my usual reaction

[Anna]

See, San?  I was typing that at the same time you were.  You never trust anybody and usually turn out to be right!

You got it Anna.  After four years we all have learned.

This is my usual reaction

Yep, and especially if someone says "I'm from Aruba and I just want to help you!"

[Tamikosmom]

See, San?  I was typing that at the same time you were.  You never trust anybody and usually turn out to be right!

You got it Anna.  After four years we all have learned.

This is my usual reaction

Yep, and especially if someone says "I'm from Aruba and I just want to help you!"

Dave Holloway comprehended perfectly and .. then flip flopped three years ago this month.  He has since maintained his flip flop position that the ATA/AHATA representatives have an objective ... an objective that implies justice must prevail for his daughter.

 

Something is not right!

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

Appears Sr. Frog is carrying on the C&C tradition in style.


 

It's all the same company, so no surprise.

[MuffyBee]

Appears Sr. Frog is carrying on the C&C tradition in style.


 

It's all the same company, so no surprise.

Exactly, 2NJ.  SSDD 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Appears Sr. Frog is carrying on the C&C tradition in style.


 

It's all the same company, so no surprise.

Exactly, 2NJ.  SSDD 

Yep....

http://www.grupoandersons.com/MMX_Home.asp?Cnt=WA_Home

[Tamikosmom]

Appears Sr. Frog is carrying on the C&C tradition in style.


 

It's all the same company, so no surprise.

The changing of names could have everything to do with a potential multi-million dollar wrongdoing civil suit brought against the establishment by the parents of Natalee Holloway.  Think about it ... Joran was not legally allowed on the premises of Carlos and Charlies ... yet he had a VIP pass.

When all is said and done ... Natalee Holloway was last seen in the company of Joran van der Sloot leaving Carlos and Charlies.

I do believe that Aruba is attempting to quietly sweep under the rug the entire Carlos and Charlies issue as well as the underage gambling and drinking issues.  A precident must not be established that can be used as a foundation for a potential multi million dollar wrongdoing civil lawsuit filed by Natalee's parents.

Janet

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CARLOS 'N CHARLIES

Joran van der Sloot
Suspect Statement
June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.


Jossy Mansur
DANA PRETZER
July 23, 2007

Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/

[Tamikosmom]

Dave Holloway comprehended perfectly and .. then flip flopped three years ago this month.  He has since maintained his flip flop position that the ATA/AHATA representatives have an objective ... an objective that implies justice must prevail for his daughter.  Dave knows the truth encompassing the trap yet ....

 

Something is not right!

Janet

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027

[texasmom]

Dave Holloway comprehended perfectly and .. then flip flopped three years ago this month.  He has since maintained his flip flop position that the ATA/AHATA representatives have an objective ... an objective that implies justice must prevail for his daughter.  Dave knows the truth encompassing the trap yet ....

 

Something is not right!

Janet

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027

But...IIRC, that's not what Tim Miller said.  I'll have to find it.

[texasmom]

HT Klaas



(Click on the picture to open up the recording in Photobucket)

This is Tim Miller on Dana's show June 17, 2009.

Thanks again for the audio snip Klaas!   

[Tamikosmom]

Dave Holloway comprehended perfectly and .. then flip flopped three years ago this month.  He has since maintained his flip flop position that the ATA/AHATA representatives have an objective ... an objective that implies justice must prevail for his daughter.  Dave knows the truth encompassing the trap yet ....

 

Something is not right!

Janet

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027

But...IIRC, that's not what Tim Miller said.  I'll have to find it.

texasmom

Debbie is thisclose with Dave and Robin Holloway.  I believe her on this one.  Also ... why would Dave Holloway put John Silvetti in touch with the Head of the Hotel Association in regards to a donation to further the dives on targets that are yet to be investigated if he did not intend to support an ongoing search effort.

Janet

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Natalee Holloway update: potential problems for search parties bound for Aruba
By Jen Hale
Reporter and weekend anchor
Published: March 25, 2009

Tensions are building between two search parties involved in the search for missing Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Right now, private investigator Fred Golba is currently in Aruba, searching a retention pond.

Tim Miller and Texas EquuSearch are planning a deep water search on the ocean floor in the next few months.

They’ve raised $1.5 million dollars to go back to Aruba to finish a search that began last March, then stalled when funding ran out.

Underwater rovers will inspect suspicious containers on the ocean bottom that could hold Natalee’s remains.

“We still have 140 plus targets over there. We’re going to be bringing in a 360 ft boat from Trinidad,“ says Miller.

http://www.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/natalee_holloway_update_potential_problems_for_search_parties_bound_for_aru/65265/


texasmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #577 on: June 18, 2009, 10:41:08 PM »

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case

You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg844967#msg844967

[Tamikosmom]

Texasmom

The words of Tim Miller to Dana Pletzer in the above transcript ... in the above recording ...  tells the whole story.  He has joined the John Silvetti bandwagon.  His words mimic the words in John Silvetti's post.

 

Janet

[texasmom]

 

[Tamikosmom]

My understanding.  The above posts from 2008 imply John Silvetti and Tim Miller are working together in pursuant of an ongoing search effort.  Each has his own respective function in their mission to obtain that objective.  John Silvetti provides the boat/equipment while Tim Miller end is the fund raising.

Janet

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DAVE AND ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH JULIA RENFRO, MARK PURCELL AND DEBBIE (BFN).

ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007

Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something. 
As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...
 
For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317

[Keepthefaith]

1.5 million dollars,1.5 million dollars!Louis Schaefer just took his shareholders to the bank for over a HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS,give or take a few cents.Louis Schaefer & John Silvetti work with,and are friends of those that operate and own BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES.With these people and Tim Miller's name i personnaly don't believe it would take much time to raise 1.5 million dollars but,what do i know!

[Tamikosmom]

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Please delete candy from above post.  My six year old grandson just asked me how to spell the word.

 

Janet

Done.  Please check before posting.  Thanks.

[texasmom]

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[texasmom]

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Janet

I was wondering that was about!   

[texasmom]

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Janet

I was wondering what that was about!   

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[MuffyBee]

2nj must have eaten the candy.  It's disappeared