Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 - 8/13/09

[Anna]

If the shift in the former posters here seems drastic, consider that of Dan Rheil.  He did a complete 180 degrees on support for this family after coming in contact with just a few of those "Arubans who just want to help us" types. 

[Keepthefaith]

Hon. Edison Briesen
Minister of Transportation & Tourism
Ministry of Transportation & Tourism
Aruba Government Office
L.G. Smith Boulevard  No. 172
Oranjestad 
ARUBA

Tel:        011-297-588-0114
Fax:       011-297-582-4707
              011-297-588-0121

ARUBA PORTS AUTHORITY N.V.
Port Administration Building
L.G. Smith Blvd. # 23
Oranjestad, Aruba
Dutch West Indies

Tel: (297) 582-6633
Fax: (297) 583-2896
E-mail

[Helen Back]

IMPORTANT ADDRESSES
Department of Economic Affairs,
Commerce & Industry    L.G. Smith Boulevard 160
Oranjestad, Aruba
Tel: (297) 5821181
Fax: (297) 5834494

Central Agency for
General and Legal Affairs    Vondellaan 19-C
Oranjestad, Aruba
Tel: (297) 5835002
Fax:(297) 5831772

Ministry of Justice    L.G. Smith Boulevard 76
Oranjestad, Aruba
Tel: (297) 5824900
Fax: (297) 5825388

High Commissioner,
Aruba Financial Center    Schotlandstraat 49, Suite 4,
Eagle, Aruba
Tel: (297) 5838687
Fax:(297) 5834665

http://www.visitaruba.com/business/Invest_Offshore/investinfo.html

[Keepthefaith]

Hon. Edison Briesen
Minister of Transportation & Tourism
Ministry of Transportation & Tourism
Aruba Government Office
L.G. Smith Boulevard  No. 172
Oranjestad 
ARUBA

Tel:        011-297-588-0114
Fax:       011-297-582-4707
              011-297-588-0121

ARUBA PORTS AUTHORITY N.V.
Port Administration Building
L.G. Smith Blvd. # 23
Oranjestad, Aruba
Dutch West Indies

Tel: (297) 582-6633
Fax: (297) 583-2896
E-mail

Central Bureau of Statistics
L.G. Smith Blvd. 160, 3Rd. Floor
Sun Plaza Building, Aruba

Tel.: (297) 583-7433
Fax: (297) 583-8057
email

[Keepthefaith]

Hon. Edison Briesen
Minister of Transportation & Tourism
Ministry of Transportation & Tourism
Aruba Government Office
L.G. Smith Boulevard  No. 172
Oranjestad 
ARUBA

Tel:        011-297-588-0114
Fax:       011-297-582-4707
              011-297-588-0121

ARUBA PORTS AUTHORITY N.V.
Port Administration Building
L.G. Smith Blvd. # 23
Oranjestad, Aruba
Dutch West Indies

Tel: (297) 582-6633
Fax: (297) 583-2896
E-mail

Central Bureau of Statistics
L.G. Smith Blvd. 160, 3Rd. Floor
Sun Plaza Building, Aruba

Tel.: (297) 583-7433
Fax: (297) 583-8057
email

AHATA - Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association
L.G. Smith Boulevard 174
P.O. Box 542
Oranjestad, Aruba
+297 582-2607
+297 582-4202

[Keepthefaith]

© 2005 SafeCom Security & Communication services N.V.
Seroe Blanco 10, Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
Phone: +(297) 5882612   Fax: +(297) 5882614

[Edward]

The father of a missing Auburn University student is "worried sick" about his son, who vanished without a trace on a study abroad program in Asia.

Paul Harrie told FOX News Wednesday that he can't imagine where his typically reliable son Michael Griffin Harrie, 29, could be or why the family has heard nothing from him in weeks.

The veterinary student was last seen July 14 in Thailand doing some sightseeing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535384,00.html?test=latestnews

[Kermit]

It's the entire AHATA/ATA/tourism industry that benefits.  I would think more of a committee, maybe much like the original Task Force but more charged with "restoring" Aruba.  Actual evidence would be nice, however.

JMO

We do have the evidence that it's someone in an office, using a server that Governmental agencies use.  And if no one posting with this person actually has a conscience left (which is looking to be the case) then we'll find out which office it is by other means.
 

Well, do keep in mind how fond they are of fitting so many into the suit of just one.  Bondia here, CLW with three heads, bastibro who can post from within the U.S. and with flawless English, and even one poster who misspelled "Anna" but only for one day.

 

My GUESS would be it is a collective but then again, maybe not.

Where is Charles Croes located? 

HE lives down the street from Caps/Geerman/Lorenzo W.

[Anna]

It's the entire AHATA/ATA/tourism industry that benefits.  I would think more of a committee, maybe much like the original Task Force but more charged with "restoring" Aruba.  Actual evidence would be nice, however.

JMO

We do have the evidence that it's someone in an office, using a server that Governmental agencies use.  And if no one posting with this person actually has a conscience left (which is looking to be the case) then we'll find out which office it is by other means.
 

Well, do keep in mind how fond they are of fitting so many into the suit of just one.  Bondia here, CLW with three heads, bastibro who can post from within the U.S. and with flawless English, and even one poster who misspelled "Anna" but only for one day.

 

My GUESS would be it is a collective but then again, maybe not.

Where is Charles Croes located? 

HE lives down the street from Caps/Geerman/Lorenzo W.

Guess I was more wondering if that server could support a phone system.  Different type equipment, I guess.

[Blue Moon]

Was looking for Eduardo Mansur in white pages but this is all I can find at this street address:

Ponson Mansur Ilienne J     
Seroe Blanco 78
     582-0409
Or      588-4077
Or      588-4078

Mansur Jossy M     
Seroe Blanco 60 C
     588-9071


Wonder where Eduardo Mansur lives and who he lives with?  That Ponson name rings a bell to me just can't place it.

[klaasend]

Was looking for Eduardo Mansur in white pages but this is all I can find at this street address:

Ponson Mansur Ilienne J     
Seroe Blanco 78
     582-0409
Or      588-4077
Or      588-4078

Mansur Jossy M     
Seroe Blanco 60 C
     588-9071


Wonder where Eduardo Mansur lives and who he lives with?  That Ponson name rings a bell to me just can't place it.

Sidney Ponson - baseball player

[Blue Moon]

Jen, weren't you look for this woman?:

http://aruba.globaldirectories.com/IslandPages/1.html

ARUBA BONBINI
Where Happiness Lives

Dear Aruba visitor,

Bon Bini!

On behalf of the Aruba Tourism Authority and island community in general, I am delighted to welcome you to our wonderful island

You have just entered an island of pleasant surprises. You will realise that our island will enchant you with its unforgettable mile long beaches, beautiful resorts, gorgeous spas, superb dining possibilities, a bevy of water and land activities, quaint shopping areas, art galleries and museums and cultural events.

Over 40% of our visitors are repeaters and proclaim that one of our best features is the genuine friendliness of our people. Most of who speak over four languages. The Aruban peopple are known for their warmth, hospitality and zest to deliver quality service making Aruba different and unique.

Thank you for visiting us and we look forward to welcoming you back for many more years,

Warm Aruban regards,

 

Mrs. Myrna Jansen-Feliciano

Managing Director

[Magnolia]

I think that GM has gotten worried and taken away their sitemeter.  Least I couldn't find it.

[Blue Moon]

This is interesting (notice the Houston, TX office for Aruba Tousiam, isn't Houston one of the locations Bastibro was posting from?).  I didn't realize they had offices located here in the U.S.:

http://aruba.globaldirectories.com/IslandPages/13.html

ARUBA’S CALENDAR OF EVENTS IS CONTINUOUSLY UPDATED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. TO CONFIRM DATES OF ACTIVITIES OR FOR INFORMATION ABOUT FESTIVALS, SPORTING EVENTS OR CONFERENCES, CALL ONE OF THE FOLLOWING ARUBA TOURISM AUTHORITY OFFICES OR VISIT ARUBA’S OFFICIAL WEBSITE WWW.ARUBA.COM.

ATA ARUBA
Tel: 582-3777 • Fax. 583-4702
ata.aruba@aruba.com; ata.pr@aruba.com

ATA WEEHAWKEN, NEW JERSEY
1-800-TO-ARUBA
Tel: 201-330-0800 • Fax. 201-330-8757
ata.newjersey@aruba.com

ATA CHICAGO, ILLINOIS
Tel: 847-517-1243 • Fax. 847-517-1245
ata.chicago@aruba.com

ATA FT. LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA
Tel: 954-767-6477 • Fax. 954-767-0432
ata.florida@aruba.com

ATA ATLANTA, GEORGIA
Tel: 404-892-7822 • Fax. 404-873-2193
ata.atlanta@aruba.com

ATA HOUSTON, TEXAS
Tel: 281-362-1616 • Fax. 281-362-1644
ata.houston@aruba.com
   ATA EUROPE, THE NETHERLANDS
Tel: 31-70-302-8040 • Fax. 31-70-360-4877
ata.holland@aruba.com•ata-europe@aruba.com

ATA GERMANY
Tel: 49-6257-962921 • Fax. 49-625796919
ata.germany@aruba.com

ATA UNITED KINGDOM
Tel: 44-207-9281-600 • Fax. 44-207-9281-700
geoff@saltmarshpr.co.uk

ATA-SCANDINAVIA
Tel: 46 (0) 8556- 0751 • Fax. 46 (0) 8714-8434
tlagerfeldt@nbt.a.se

ARUBA CONVENTION BUREAU
Tel: 954-767-3395 • Fax. 954-767-0714
Ja.croes@aruba.com or j.rasmijn@aruba.com

[Blonde]

I think that GM has gotten worried and taken away their sitemeter.  Least I couldn't find it.

Yes BB  said something yesterday
 Oh gee are we now allowed to post IP's? Seems it is fine in certain cases? Is it fine for certain people? I think maybe it is time to close the sitemeter to the "public" and ruin some of the fun.
 Also Looks like Renfro had a  vist to the plastic surgeon IMO. If I had to take a guess, maybe she has had an upperface/eyelid lift, with some type of chemical peel. Notice the eyelids are less "saggy"
and the eyebrows more arched in the recent pick. Maybe a little botox or filler around the mouth, as those lines are also less noticeable.

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/

[Blue Moon]

I just did a search of "Aruba" on google and interestingly nothing came up for Scared Monkeys in the search.  Would google manipulate their search function to hold back anything SM or Natalee related?

[Blue Moon]

I just did a search of "Aruba" on google and interestingly nothing came up for Scared Monkeys in the search.  Would google manipulate their search function to hold back anything SM or Natalee related?

Just tried Aruba, Natalee Holloway and it does bring up plenty of items on that search.  Just strange nothing comes up on Aruba google search for SM or Natalee.

[Magnolia]

I think that GM has gotten worried and taken away their sitemeter.  Least I couldn't find it.

Yes BB  said something yesterday
 Oh gee are we now allowed to post IP's? Seems it is fine in certain cases? Is it fine for certain people? I think maybe it is time to close the sitemeter to the "public" and ruin some of the fun.
 Also Looks like Renfro had a  vist to the plastic surgeon IMO. If I had to take a guess, maybe she has had an upperface/eyelid lift, with some type of chemical peel. Notice the eyelids are less "saggy"
and the eyebrows more arched in the recent pick. Maybe a little botox or filler around the mouth, as those lines are also less noticeable.

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/

BB did get right upset about the first IPs posted here .  She forgets that she has posted IPs from GM's site meter herself.

I didn't realize that she was the boss of the site meter at GM. 

I think you are right on all counts about Renho.

[Tamikosmom]

Less that two months prior to Dave standing behind Beth, French and Riley upholding them in call for a voluntary boycott of Aruba ... Natalee's father was not supportive of this action and ... he met with Taylor Northrop who was a spokesperson for the Strategic Communications Task force.  Rob Smith was a member of the Task Force.

In April, 2008 ... did Dave take advantage of his prior connection to Rob Smith in an attempt to raise funds to further the Persistence searchor ... did Dave put John Silvetti in touch with Edison Briesen?

Thank you.

Janet

+++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 156/157:  It is true that we have not been happy with the way the investigation into Natalee's disappearance was going, but we had no grip with the general population.  ... That is why I felt uncomfortable supporting a boycott.

On September 19, 2005, I met with Taylor Northrop.  The Aruban government hired him for damage control.  He was working with the Strategic Communications Task Force which was comprised of approximately thirteen members of the community, including government spokesperson Rueben Trappenburg, Rob Smith of the Aruban Hospitality & Security Foundation, and other business and political leaders.


jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Aruba
US still drives business to Aruba after Holloway case closed
By Hazel Heyer | Jan 16, 2008
 
Nassau, Bahamas (eTN) - Aruba’s recent tourism numbers are expected to look positive compared to previous years. Travel & Tourism in Aruba was expected to rake in US$2354.9 million in economic activity as of 2007 end. Aruba's Travel & Tourism Economy (direct and indirect impact) is expected to account for 70.1 percent of GDP and for 52000 jobs (82.4 percent of total employment), according to the World Travel & Tourism Council. Despite a highly-sensationalized case involving tourist Natalee Holloway, an Alabaman teenager who traveled to the island but mysteriously disappeared two years ago, Aruba's Travel & Tourism is expected to report 2.1 percent growth in 2007 and 3.3 percent per annum, in real terms, between 2008 and 2017.

With good news about Aruba reported by the tourism authorities, last December however, the media revisited an old, but not long- forgotten story. Prosecutors closed the case on Holloway’s disappearance in May 2005 on the Dutch Caribbean island. Authorities said they do not have evidence to charge suspects Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, who were last seen with Holloway. They have been notified by the public prosecutor that they will not be charged. The press was abuzz with the latest developments.

eTN caught up with Aruba’s minister of tourism and transportation, Edison Briesen, who said the island is back in business despite the revival of the Holloway incident, which has become fodder for the media. In an exclusive interview at the Caribbean Hotel Association Marketplace held January 13-15 on Paradise Island, Bahamas, Briesen confirmed the US remains strong as its number one market.

eTN: How is the Aruban tourism industry reacting to the developments on the Holloway case being over?

Minister Briesen: We were strongly hit by this incident. Unfortunately last year, they’ve closed the case. But in the Dutch justice system, the case is not close. It will remain a silent, open case should any lead come in. We have spent a lot of money bringing in experts from day one to the last day of December 2007, including Dutch investigation experts. We heard the mother and the Holloway family will seek publicity again in the US, which we’ll have to counter.

From 2005 to early 2006, Aruba was badly hit by the incident due to the negative publicity. In October 2006, Aruba tourism recovered. I think we’ve turned the corner.

eTN: With an image of being a peaceful island on the Caribbean, why do you think this incident has been lingering and has continued to impact the tourism industry of Aruba?

Briesen: I don’t know about the family problems they have which seem to be the reason behind this case. In the Caribbean, this is the first time an island has been pounded this long by a single event. It’s been over a year and a half now and the publicity has not ended. I don’t know what other reasons there exist. We’ve opened our doors to help the family solve their issue. We’ve been cooperative and have spent a lot of government money on the investigation.

eTN: Could this have been a bad example of security loophole?

Briesen: We’ve had the FBI, the Aruban special task force, F16’s and special recovery vessels searching the island. Nothing turned up. It’s really a strange mystery. The island is so small, social ties are strong. Everybody knows everybody in Aruba. For us, this has been a mystery as well. Unfortunately, there is no closure just yet.

eTN: Has this been a big challenge to tourism?

Briesen: Among all challenges we’ve faced, including airlift, US economy slowdown, gas prices etc, this particularly has taken up our time and resources. Everybody got involved in this case. People from the tourism department have been moved to the justice department to help solve the disappearance. This incident has kept us ‘hostage’ for more than a year. In 2006, we even launched an ad campaign worth $5 M in the US to counter the negative broadcast. On the other side of the coin, more people now know about Aruba. But I would not want Aruba to be known in the same way Iraq is known. One reason why we think it has been a hard blow to us.

We are the safest island in the entire western hemisphere. Things like this don’t happen in Aruba.

eTN: Do you want closure for the family?

Briesen: Of course, we went out of our way to help them. We’ve been very cooperative.

eTN: What message do you have for the US travelers?

Briesen: What happened in Aruba has given us and the Caribbean a hard lesson to learn, which has become for us and everybody a model for crisis management on the islands. This is one case which we, as a member of the Caribbean Tourism Organization, have learned from and employed as a crisis model. We’ve received support from the CTO and the CHA through the years, with sustaining the US market, our loyal clients for over 30 years. Three of four visitors to Aruba are Americans. This is a case that boggles us. But we’d like to forget and move on.

We got tremendous support from the US market. Forty-two percent of our rooms are timeshare, booked primarily by Americans. They’ve helped us turn the corner so Aruba can move on.

http://www.eturbonews.com/865/us-still-drives-business-aruba-after-holloway-case-closed

[Tamikosmom]

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Oh holy mother...........

So GEERMAN, EDGARD does Network Security for DOMPIG?!?!?!?!?!?

So Dompig left the Polis to start a Security(Disinformation)Company?

ARUBAN CONNECTION - SPECULATION

DOMPIG AND SATISH OR DEEPAK OR MICHAEL ?  GEERMAN

Think of a detective who certainly knew more than he was telling, and think of his computer network security guy.....then read Kyle's words.


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS[/b]

Kyle Kingman: Just before Christmas they are contacted by a detective and his brother who gave them information that turned out to be the correct latitude

Kyle Kingman:  While we were searching shortly before Christmas, we were contacted by an Aruban detective who was involved in the Holloway case.  He claimed that his brother had a vision about Natalee¢s body offshore and had coordinates. He and his brother agreed to meet on the Persistence. The detective¢s brother gave what he thought were coordinates, but turned out to be a line of latitude. This latitude aligned with Arashi beach and came within a half mile of the fish trap.

Kyle Kingman:  IF a keydetective's brother knew the latitude the trap was disposed at or very near, then it's probable the detective knew the same.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective and his brother were both brown-skinned, but not black.

Kyle Kingman:  the detective was very internet and computer savy, which was unusual for the bulk of the Polis.

Kyle Kingman:  It seemed he knew who I was when we were introduced, and said something indicating he had been reading the blog.

Kyle Kingman:  The brother of the detective came to us and was very persistent over the information. He was almost in tears and just had to "clear his conscience" about it.  His brother, the detective came with him to 'validate him'.

Kyle Kingman:  I think he used his brother and gave us only the amount of information he felt we needed to come across the trap.  Basically, by using his brother and claiming the information he shared was only based on a vision, it distances the detective from responsibility and makes it hard to point back to him should it be a problem later.

Kyle Kingman:  However, this man was intelligent enough, cared about the case, yet was self implicated to a high enough level to want to be kept his knowledge a secret. He spoke well enough english and knew everything in my opinion.

Kyle Kingman:  The implications of this are tremendous. If true, it means that the early investigators knew where and how Natalee was disposed and it was kept secret and covered up.

Kyle Kingman:  Since the trap was only in 90ft of water and the detective knew about the latitude, did the Polis already know if it's location prior to the search?

Kyle Kingman:   The tip Dave got said the trap was 2-3 miles offshore. I found this one 2-3 miles offshore. 2.1-2.2 miles if memory serves.

Kyle Kingman:  The detective originally wouldn't meet with us and only wanted us to meet with his brother. We convinced him to meet along with his brother and made him feel as comfortable as possible. He reluctantly agreed but wouldn't talk.

Kyle Kingman:  After a while the detective started asking some questions and loosened up a bit. With the pointed questions he asked he proved he knew a lot, but we didn't press him

Kyle Kingman:  "Here's a shocker: the confession from one of the former suspects I was refering to was NOT Joran.


++++++++


DOMPIG: - SEARCH THE OCEAN

FOX ONLINE - JAMIE COLBY
July 15, 2007

TIM MILLER: ... Gerold Dompig actually told us when Dave and I was over there; that he felt that Natalee was out in the water, that the night the fishermen's hut was broken into, a knife was stolen, a rope was stolen and a large crab trap was stolen.

Gerold Dompig's words were "Natalee was put in that crab trap, they put rocks in it and they took her out 3 to 5 miles and she's 800 to 1,000 feet deep" and we always thought about the water anyhow.


CORRUPTION IN PARADISE - DAVE HOLLOWAY

Page 167/168:  We had recently gotten another tip that the boys did do something to Natalee and that they either left her at the boat launch or the lighthouse.  From there, they supposedly went to a field area where the gardener saw them while they planned their next move.  According to the tip, after that, they went home and returned the next day to the fishermen's huts to get a steel cage to put Natalee into; they then used a boat to carry her about two to three miles out into the ocean and drop her there.  The tip was sent in an e-mail, and we forwarded it to Dompig.  He claimed that was one of the reasons to search at sea now instead of at the landfill ...


GEROLD DOMPIG AND FRED GOLBA

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for March 15
updated 9:08 a.m. PT, Thurs., March. 16, 2006

COSBY:  You know, Steve, we‘ve had Tim Miller from EquuSearch, all these different guys on there.  They were all sort of turned down by Dompig and it seemed like the Aruban government, of course, the chief of police there.  Why this team? 

STEVE COHEN, SPECIAL ADVISER TO ARUBAN GOVERNMENT:  Well, it‘s a process, of course, that goes back to the Forensic Institute of Holland.  Chief Dompig has been back there twice now. 

And I think what was happening was a determination of just exactly what techniques, in terms of specificity, could one investigator bring to bear versus another? And, of course, Dompig and Fred have established a strong rapport and a great deal of trust between them, and that‘s why he is there.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11857796/

Mine in red....

Jen ... is GEERMAN Aruban or Dutch?  What is his age?

Thanks

Janet