Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 - 8/13/09

[wreck]

 
  I swear I only just started my second glass of wine! 

[texasmom]

It has been a while for me... (Major Knee Reconstructive Surgery). Ouch !!!

Looks like not too much has changed...

The crime was fairly simple...
The cover-up has been never-ending...
Totals: Crime(4hrs). Cover-up(4years and counting).

Aruba did not expect the relentlessness of this family. The security guards almost got framed. Aruba thought it could wipe this under the rug. Once the international media got hold of it, though, their goose became cooked.

I like this theory (of course, plus or minus some details):
*PVDS/JVDS at casino with NH and friends.
*J2K arrive about an hour before close of CnC
*Bartender spiked alcoholic drink served to NH, compliments of JVDS
*J2K use a taxi driver scheme
*J2K drive around, drug begins to take full effect
*Secluded, non-tourist spot reached (rock scene?) or SlootHome
*Sexual assault / NH expires (in 2K vehicle/at SlootHome).
*Panic. PVDS immediately takes over.
*Alibis. Online chats, porn site downloads, etc..
*Break-in at Fisherman's huts. Withdrawl from PVDS account.
*Body is temporarily hidden. Heavy, Messy Body.
*630AM call. A long night for J2K and PVDS. No school / no work.
*10AM - Paulus - long line at CMB. Meeting with Jacobs / Straaten.
*Then, poolside meeting. PVDS / J2K. No Body, No Case.
*3PM - Paulus. CMB Bank. Meeting with CCroes?
*5-8PM Racquet Club / Gym Bag / Tennis Instructions. Bag of Evidence and meeting with Gottenbos (The Boat). Disposal at Sea...
*830PM PVDS searching "Drugs+Alcohol on Internet. JVDS "out in public"
*1000PM Heads up given to PVDS. PVDS informs J2K.
*Group arrives, wild gooses around island. Game has already been fixed.
*DK,JVDS,PVDS talk to Jacobs/VanderStraaten and re-group from wild night.
*DK car at Bubali. (BHT sees car at 8AM and 1230PM unmoved behind station). Needs cleaning. Forensics not done until 6/9.
*Disinformation campaign in full force. Designed to confuse and mislead - Cloud waters with wild rumors.
*Arrest of security guards. Major international media attention. Next, a 10 day "surveillance" period. Working, behind scenes, for 10 days hard-core. Aruba can stall no longer and must arrest J2K.
*Clean-up crews employed. Disinformation campaign continues and never stops.
*Aruban reporters: Arlene, Tito, Ruben - "Aruba justice this, Aruba justice that"
*Mockery interrogations. Unexplainable ALE behavior.
*Blocked assistance by other outside accredited international agencies. Easier to cover.
*Aruba gets feeling hurt by threat(s) of boycott.
*Becomes an "Us" vs. "Them" game. Aruba, as a whole, clams up and unites.
*Network expands. Government, ATA, AHATA, Whole Country vow to do the same.
*Tourism allows a lot of underground business to flourish. Real money enables Illegal Money.

Disinformation…Use your imagination: party at LVR, chat sessions online, bloody bathtub, catch the bus or not, go to school or not, Freddy camera, muddy JVDS, fresh concrete at Sloot home, school headmaster, furniture delivery truck at Sloot home, blocked Sloot search, weak interrogations, blood to chocolate in DK car, switched DK car, rumored sex parties (JM,JR, and other elders), CAPS, SHango, Simian, Clyde Burke, VanderStraaten, Jossy, Schippers, Renfro, Judges, Dompig, Jansen, Mos, Richardson, Jacobs, Oduber, Croes,, Posner, growing suspect lists - VanCromvoirt, SCroes, Guido, Koen, Freddy, Max(es), LVR, mysterious necktie death, Harley guy found dead, natural bridge goes down, bloody mattress, CharlesCroes and his phone connections, and on and on - too many to name. The bigger the cloud, the more ambiguous it becomes.

About Jossy…He is a double agent. No doubt about it for me. Let me clarify (briefly)...
I am certain he sees the grief caused unto the Holloway family. Therefore, he has helped them along the way and probably has good intentions. However, he lives in Aruba. He is connected to Aruba. His longtime residency has allowed him to know the good and the bad. The island is too small and he is too large to be involved. Of course he knows what happened, but unfortunately, has chosen not to place himself at the center. He is smart enough not to snitch on his associates. Dogs never shit where they eat. A corny, yet true, adage. Not to single out Jossy, b/c there are others who fit this bill.

About the ocean search…A trap was stolen from the huts. Joran admitted to a disposal at sea (whether you believe him or not). Persistence came to Aruba to search for a cage in the ocean with possible NH remains. They indeed accomplished their mission by locating it. Kyle, Tim Miller both said (based off their expertise) that human remains appeared to be inside the cage. Certain (unwanted) members were removed from the vessel and deemed liabilities.
Suspected shady characters are aboard the Persistence, including HansMos. CAPSLOCKWIZARD appeared and began a disinformation campaign. (In hindsight, CAPSLOCKWIZARD was proved to be full of shit). ALE arrived in a smaller boat, dove the cage, recovered its contents, and left the scene. The trap was deemed to be irrelevant.
Why wouldn't the ALE divers bring the trap aboard the Persistence for all to see? They contained questionable items and zip lock bags in a cage. Then, ROV images leaked to the net. It surely was not hermit crabs sealed in sandwich baggies. No one has ever cared to clarify the (possible) misunderstanding.

Good to see you back Buckshot!  Hope you are doing well after that surgery, I have friends that have been through it and it's rough!

[Keepthefaith]

Very nice BuckShot.Hope the knee is healing well!The one thing i will say is,don't try this at home...

[Keepthefaith]

  I swear I only just started my second glass of wine! 

Of the second bottle...

[Helen Back]

 

Hi Buckshot.  Hope it feels better soon.

Nite monkeys.  Sweet dreams.
 

[cajun miracle]

It has been a while for me... (Major Knee Reconstructive Surgery). Ouch !!!

Looks like not too much has changed...

The crime was fairly simple...
The cover-up has been never-ending...
Totals: Crime(4hrs). Cover-up(4years and counting).

Aruba did not expect the relentlessness of this family. The security guards almost got framed. Aruba thought it could wipe this under the rug. Once the international media got hold of it, though, their goose became cooked.

I like this theory (of course, plus or minus some details):
*PVDS/JVDS at casino with NH and friends.
*J2K arrive about an hour before close of CnC
*Bartender spiked alcoholic drink served to NH, compliments of JVDS
*J2K use a taxi driver scheme
*J2K drive around, drug begins to take full effect
*Secluded, non-tourist spot reached (rock scene?) or SlootHome
*Sexual assault / NH expires (in 2K vehicle/at SlootHome).
*Panic. PVDS immediately takes over.
*Alibis. Online chats, porn site downloads, etc..
*Break-in at Fisherman's huts. Withdrawl from PVDS account.
*Body is temporarily hidden. Heavy, Messy Body.
*630AM call. A long night for J2K and PVDS. No school / no work.
*10AM - Paulus - long line at CMB. Meeting with Jacobs / Straaten.
*Then, poolside meeting. PVDS / J2K. No Body, No Case.
*3PM - Paulus. CMB Bank. Meeting with CCroes?
*5-8PM Racquet Club / Gym Bag / Tennis Instructions. Bag of Evidence and meeting with Gottenbos (The Boat). Disposal at Sea...
*830PM PVDS searching "Drugs+Alcohol on Internet. JVDS "out in public"
*1000PM Heads up given to PVDS. PVDS informs J2K.
*Group arrives, wild gooses around island. Game has already been fixed.
*DK,JVDS,PVDS talk to Jacobs/VanderStraaten and re-group from wild night.
*DK car at Bubali. (BHT sees car at 8AM and 1230PM unmoved behind station). Needs cleaning. Forensics not done until 6/9.
*Disinformation campaign in full force. Designed to confuse and mislead - Cloud waters with wild rumors.
*Arrest of security guards. Major international media attention. Next, a 10 day "surveillance" period. Working, behind scenes, for 10 days hard-core. Aruba can stall no longer and must arrest J2K.
*Clean-up crews employed. Disinformation campaign continues and never stops.
*Aruban reporters: Arlene, Tito, Ruben - "Aruba justice this, Aruba justice that"
*Mockery interrogations. Unexplainable ALE behavior.
*Blocked assistance by other outside accredited international agencies. Easier to cover.
*Aruba gets feeling hurt by threat(s) of boycott.
*Becomes an "Us" vs. "Them" game. Aruba, as a whole, clams up and unites.
*Network expands. Government, ATA, AHATA, Whole Country vow to do the same.
*Tourism allows a lot of underground business to flourish. Real money enables Illegal Money.

Disinformation…Use your imagination: party at LVR, chat sessions online, bloody bathtub, catch the bus or not, go to school or not, Freddy camera, muddy JVDS, fresh concrete at Sloot home, school headmaster, furniture delivery truck at Sloot home, blocked Sloot search, weak interrogations, blood to chocolate in DK car, switched DK car, rumored sex parties (JM,JR, and other elders), CAPS, SHango, Simian, Clyde Burke, VanderStraaten, Jossy, Schippers, Renfro, Judges, Dompig, Jansen, Mos, Richardson, Jacobs, Oduber, Croes,, Posner, growing suspect lists - VanCromvoirt, SCroes, Guido, Koen, Freddy, Max(es), LVR, mysterious necktie death, Harley guy found dead, natural bridge goes down, bloody mattress, CharlesCroes and his phone connections, and on and on - too many to name. The bigger the cloud, the more ambiguous it becomes.

About Jossy…He is a double agent. No doubt about it for me. Let me clarify (briefly)...
I am certain he sees the grief caused unto the Holloway family. Therefore, he has helped them along the way and probably has good intentions. However, he lives in Aruba. He is connected to Aruba. His longtime residency has allowed him to know the good and the bad. The island is too small and he is too large to be involved. Of course he knows what happened, but unfortunately, has chosen not to place himself at the center. He is smart enough not to snitch on his associates. Dogs never shit where they eat. A corny, yet true, adage. Not to single out Jossy, b/c there are others who fit this bill.

About the ocean search…A trap was stolen from the huts. Joran admitted to a disposal at sea (whether you believe him or not). Persistence came to Aruba to search for a cage in the ocean with possible NH remains. They indeed accomplished their mission by locating it. Kyle, Tim Miller both said (based off their expertise) that human remains appeared to be inside the cage. Certain (unwanted) members were removed from the vessel and deemed liabilities.
Suspected shady characters are aboard the Persistence, including HansMos. CAPSLOCKWIZARD appeared and began a disinformation campaign. (In hindsight, CAPSLOCKWIZARD was proved to be full of shit). ALE arrived in a smaller boat, dove the cage, recovered its contents, and left the scene. The trap was deemed to be irrelevant.
Why wouldn't the ALE divers bring the trap aboard the Persistence for all to see? They contained questionable items and zip lock bags in a cage. Then, ROV images leaked to the net. It surely was not hermit crabs sealed in sandwich baggies. No one has ever cared to clarify the (possible) misunderstanding.

Glad to hear that you're doing better. Great theory!

[texasmom]

Hi Buckshot.  Hope it feels better soon.

Nite monkeys.  Sweet dreams.
 

Good night Helen Back!   

[wreck]

  I swear I only just started my second glass of wine! 

Of the second bottle...

[BUCKSHOT]

Maybe we should get Arlene Schippers to explain Aruban law to us...

Arlene Schippers: In Aruba, our law states the following: (a) a suspect can lie their ass off. (b) a witness can lie their ass off, too. (c) a witness can tell the truth if they want to. (d) if the witness is switched back to a suspect, based on their testimony, they can just lie their ass off, again. (e) a suspect's family can obstruct justice, lie, destroy evidence, or pay people off without any consequence. Hopefully, that makes sense...If not, maybe I can get "Tickle-Me" Tito Lacle or Ruben "MySpace" Trapenburg to explain it better for you.

[cajun miracle]

O/T ? Did Billb finish his race? He never said how it went? Really like this nightowl crew, especially the wine. Please share some.

[wreck]

O/T ? Did Billb finish his race? He never said how it went? Really like this nightowl crew, especially the wine. Please share some.

Mags is pouring..... I'm parched! 

[texasmom]

  I swear I only just started my second glass of wine! 

Of the second bottle...

***WARNING:  POSTER IS BUI***>>>BLOGGING UNDER THE INFLUENCE!<<<***PROCEED WITH CAUTION***

[texasmom]

O/T ? Did Billb finish his race? He never said how it went? Really like this nightowl crew, especially the wine. Please share some.

He said it went great cajun miracle!  He could have won (he didn't say that but we know it) but he chose run the entire race beside his daughter!  It was a great time for both of them.  You need to go back and find his post about it!

He's a very good dad!   

[cajun miracle]

O/T ? Did Billb finish his race? He never said how it went? Really like this nightowl crew, especially the wine. Please share some.

He said it went great cajun miracle!  He could have won (he didn't say that but we know it) but he chose run the entire race beside his daughter!  It was a great time for both of them.  You need to go back and find his post about it!

He's a very good dad!   

Thanks. I must have missed his post. Sounds great and so proud of him.

[Keepthefaith]

O/T ? Did Billb finish his race? He never said how it went? Really like this nightowl crew, especially the wine. Please share some.

Mags is pouring..... I'm parched! 

  Lot's of water Wreck!I'm sure they taught that to you at OSU..

[Tamikosmom]

Dave Holloway had it all figured out very early on.  In the hands of the Aruba Law Enforcement ... case related evidence was either "disregarded or disappeared".

When Kyle Kingman's own words are considered which imply that John Silvetti allowed Aruba Law Enforcement sole possession of the what may have been Natalee's remains ... why is Dave currently cooperating with John Silvetti in the raising of funds to underwrite a continued search in Aruban waters?

Is there a troubling picture emerging? 

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 178:  Jacobs called me to say he had heard reports from the United States that a bone had been found on the beach in Aruba.  He had assumed that the reports had come from me. He yeled at me, asking what I was doing releasing the information and told me that all the evidencehad to go through him.  I had begun to realize that any evidence that went through Jacobs never seemed to make its way to Holland.  It was either disregarded or it disappeared.


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »

Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

[wreck]

O/T ? Did Billb finish his race? He never said how it went? Really like this nightowl crew, especially the wine. Please share some.

Mags is pouring..... I'm parched! 

  Lot's of water Wreck!I'm sure they taught that to you at OSU..

Goodnight! ........ My new "memory foam" mattress arrived today -- I'm gonna go take a test drive!

[Tamikosmom]

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 157:  Aruban authorities never took statements from the Alabama men, the eyewitnesses who were present at the van der Sloot' that first morning.  And no statement was taken from the DEA agent.  Aruba simply wouldn't do it.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:40 PM PT

[texasmom]

O/T ? Did Billb finish his race? He never said how it went? Really like this nightowl crew, especially the wine. Please share some.

Mags is pouring..... I'm parched! 

  Lot's of water Wreck!I'm sure they taught that to you at OSU..

Goodnight! ........ My new "memory foam" mattress arrived today -- I'm gonna go take a test drive!

Good night wreck!  Hope it's comfy!