Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 - 8/13/09

[Blue Moon]

I don't know about Magnolia, but I feel better already!   

I think some shoe-fly pie may be in order. 

Be sure to thank the moles too Kermit!   

Any idea if he may also be Clive the bartender? 

According to the address I was given by the mole; he lives in UK nearby is the Aruba Toursim Authority office.
go figger!

I saw on the sitemeter earlier today someone was on from the UK.

[texasmom]

I don't know about Magnolia, but I feel better already!   

I think some shoe-fly pie may be in order. 

Be sure to thank the moles too Kermit!   

Any idea if he may also be Clive the bartender? 

According to the address I was given by the mole; he lives in UK nearby is the Aruba Toursim Authority office.
go figger!

Why does that NOT surprise me at all?   

[klaasend]

http://www.flickr.com/people/fishclint/

Clint_Durban (fishclint)

[texasmom]

This is hard to put into words (and they are my words only and and opinion only) but did Robin work with these people behind the scenes and helped sabotage the search for Natalee?  I really would hate to believe this to be true but the more I see and hear the more I believe this.  Poor Dave IF that is the case.   JMO

I don't know, I would certainly hope not.  I'm really hoping she was just naive, and they knew the right things to say to get her attention and make her trust them.  IMO, I don't think she would have done anything to intentionally sabotage the search for Natalee.  She was used, imo.    

[Kermit]

Pulling JEN post forward

    
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #821 7/13/09 -
« Reply #1288 on: July 27, 2009, 03:46:31 PM »
   
SOMEONE has been pulling the strings to do the following:

1 - Take focus of cage find (starting clear back when it was found)
2 - Insert Caps/pond witness/hoax
3 - Creation of CNG
4 - Aruban posting at private site CNG July 2009 - who is NOT Caps

Here is that person:


Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 199.0.83.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
ISP Sprint
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Oranjestad
Lat/Long : 12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 16 bits

Time of Visit Jul 24 2009 2:30:36 pm
Last Page View Jul 24 2009 2:31:33 pm
Visit Length 57 seconds
Page Views 1
Referring URL http://www.google.co...t seen&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Search Engine google.com
Search Words deepak car last seen
Visit Entry Page http://nataleesfreeb...8_07_01_archive.html
Visit Exit Page http://nataleesfreeb...8_07_01_archive.html
Out Click 4 pic
http://s656.photobuc...nt=Deepakcar-not.png
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 4:30:36 pm
Visit Number 16,682
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Proof that person came from CNG site. Note the dates/times of KNOWN CNG members:

Domain Name rr.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address xxxxxxxxx(Road Runner)
ISP Road Runner
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New York
City : Buffalo
Referring URL http://s13.zetaboard...le/topic/6620012/90/
Visit Entry Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Visit Exit Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 6:27:42 pm
Visit Number 16,684
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Domain Name bellsouth.net ? (Network)
IP Address xxxxxxxxx(BellSouth.net)
ISP BellSouth.net
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Georgia
City : Norcross
Referring URL http://www.google.co...Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Search Engine google.com
Search Words kalpoe stopped around the corner after carlos charlies
Visit Entry Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Visit Exit Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 5:54:58 pm
Visit Number 16,683
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Domain Name (Unknown)
IP Address xxxxxxxxxxxxx(Comcast Cable)
ISP Comcast Cable
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : New Jersey
City : Willingboro
Referring URL http://s13.zetaboard...le/topic/6620012/90/
Visit Entry Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Visit Exit Page http://74.125.47.132...&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-4:00
Visitor's Time Jul 24 2009 10:05:39 pm
Visit Number 16,688
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Note the unique computer settings for this Aruban visitor. Since the Freebird blog began, there are only 4 visitors from across the world using this 2003 Microsoft Server who have visited our blog, and NONE from Aruba in the past year at SM:

Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)
Javascript version 1.3

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/technologies/default.mspx
+++++++

This server is meant for business/organizational use. More specifically, it is capable of/supports Governmental use:

Domain Name xxxxxxx (U.S. Government)
IP Address xxxxxxxxxxx(Department of Veterans Affairs)
ISP Department of Veterans Affairs
Location Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Massachusetts
City : Milford
Lat/Long : 42.1544, -71.521 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)
Javascript version 1.3 Monitor Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 24 bits

Time of Visit Mar 26 2008 4:25:59 pm
Last Page View Mar 26 2008 4:35:30 pm
Visit Length 9 minutes 31 seconds
Page Views 1
Referring URL http://search.aol.co...lloway criminal case
Search Engine search.aol.com
Search Words natalie holloway criminal case
Visit Entry Page http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
Visit Exit Page http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/
Out Click View my complete profile
http://www.blogger.c...07470829574593701513 ime Zone UTC-4:00
Visitor's Time Mar 26 2008 7:25:59 pm
Visit Number 9,913


Now take a look at what other things this person from Aruba previously looked for:

Domain Name
setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 204.212.121.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
ISPSprint
Location
Continent:South America
Country:Aruba (Facts)
City:Oranjestad
Lat/Long:12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)
LanguageEnglish (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System
Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor Resolution:1024 x 768
Color Depth:16 bits
Time of VisitMay 18 2009 11:14:23 am
Last Page ViewMay 18 2009 11:14:23 am
Visit Length0 seconds
Page Views 1
Referring URLhttp://www.google.co...&tbo=1&start=20&sa=N
Search Engine google.com
Search Words clyde burke aruba
Visit Entry Page http://bustarubamisi...r-to-this-place.html
Visit Exit Page http://bustarubamisi...r-to-this-place.html
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time May 18 2009 12:14:23 pm
Visit Number 237
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Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 199.2.119.# (SLBH/SETAR ARUBA)
ISP Sprint
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Oranjestad
Lat/Long : 12.5167, -70.0333 (Map)

Language English (U.S.)
en-us
Operating System Microsoft Windows Server 2003
Browser Internet Explorer 6.0
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.2; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)
Javascript version 1.3
Monitor Resolution : 1024 x 768
Color Depth : 16 bits
Time of Visit Nov 19 2008 8:10:28 am
Last Page View Nov 19 2008 8:57:09 am
Visit Length 46 minutes 41 seconds
Page Views 6
Referring URL http://www.google.co...jacobs&start=20&sa=N
Search Engine google.com
Search Words dennis jacobs
Visit Entry Page http://nataleesfreeb...1/dennis-jacobs.html
Visit Exit Page http://nataleesfreeb...anslation-means.html
Out Click
Time Zone UTC-4:00
Visitor's Time Nov 19 2008 11:10:28 am
Visit Number 12,965



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BOTTOM LINE

It has been proven the pond search was nothing but a hoax to remove focus and attention away from the ocen search being done by the Persistence.

That was further evidenced by the slip-shod way that pond was "searched" with fire hoses.

That hoax was upheld and supported to the detriment and partial destruction of:

Natalee's Freebirds
Scared Monkeys
Individual People

And most importantly - Natalee Holloway and her family.

That hoax was upheld and supported by:

CNG
GM
Persistence (John Silvetti)

This is now proof positive that an Aruban person working for either their Law Enforcement, or a Ministry of its government is currently posting at CNG, which has become completely private for members only.

Combine that with the actions John Silvetti took regarding that cage and its contents, his absorption of Capslockwizard and his "witness", the pond search, his meeting with AHATA for "donated search funds", and the lies to Natalee's family and the public at large.

Those are dots that everyone should be able to connect.

[Blue Moon]

This is hard to put into words (and they are my words only and and opinion only) but did Robin work with these people behind the scenes and helped sabotage the search for Natalee?  I really would hate to believe this to be true but the more I see and hear the more I believe this.  Poor Dave IF that is the case.   JMO

I don't know, I would certainly hope not.  I'm really hoping she was just naive, and they knew the right things to say to get her attention and make her trust them.  IMO, I don't think she would have done anything to intentionally sabotage the search for Natalee.  She was used, imo.    

Thanks.  I hope you are right.  I can't bring myself to think she intentionally went into this with that in mind. 

Now just how did Reality get involved in all this?  Does he work for Aruba at the Tourism board in the UK?  And his name sounds more like American and not Africa.  Is he another American trader?

[San]

This is hard to put into words (and they are my words only and and opinion only) but did Robin work with these people behind the scenes and helped sabotage the search for Natalee?  I really would hate to believe this to be true but the more I see and hear the more I believe this.  Poor Dave IF that is the case.   JMO

I don't know, I would certainly hope not.  I'm really hoping she was just naive, and they knew the right things to say to get her attention and make her trust them.  IMO, I don't think she would have done anything to intentionally sabotage the search for Natalee.  She was used, imo.    

She should have never been on the boards posting.  No one is that stupid to trust evil.  What did she accomplish?

[texasmom]

This is hard to put into words (and they are my words only and and opinion only) but did Robin work with these people behind the scenes and helped sabotage the search for Natalee?  I really would hate to believe this to be true but the more I see and hear the more I believe this.  Poor Dave IF that is the case.   JMO

I don't know, I would certainly hope not.  I'm really hoping she was just naive, and they knew the right things to say to get her attention and make her trust them.  IMO, I don't think she would have done anything to intentionally sabotage the search for Natalee.  She was used, imo.    

She should have never been on the boards posting.  No one is that stupid to trust evil.  What did she accomplish?

Nothing but a lot more heartache for Natalee's family, imo.   

[Blue Moon]

This is hard to put into words (and they are my words only and and opinion only) but did Robin work with these people behind the scenes and helped sabotage the search for Natalee?  I really would hate to believe this to be true but the more I see and hear the more I believe this.  Poor Dave IF that is the case.   JMO

I don't know, I would certainly hope not.  I'm really hoping she was just naive, and they knew the right things to say to get her attention and make her trust them.  IMO, I don't think she would have done anything to intentionally sabotage the search for Natalee.  She was used, imo.    

She should have never been on the boards posting.  No one is that stupid to trust evil.  What did she accomplish?

Now that I agree with.  And what did she accomplish?  She split Beth from Dave by allowing these people in Aruba to use her for their purposes.  It became Beth against Dave and Natalee was lost somewhere in between.  Beth always had someone/everyone on Aruba working against her. This proves it.

[Blue Moon]

Do we even really know for sure it was Robin posting on BFN and BNH?  It could have well been Debbie doing all the posting under Robin's name. JMO

[klaasend]

http://www.flickr.com/people/fishclint/

Clint_Durban (fishclint)

Just wiping the dust off these - found them in my archives - not sure....what do you think?

[Blue Moon]

http://www.flickr.com/people/fishclint/

Clint_Durban (fishclint)

Just wiping the dust off these - found them in my archives - not sure....what do you think?

I would say the first one is him because of the nose and the space between the front teeth.  But he sure is young though.  OR is he putting out pictures from when he was younger?

[texasmom]

IMO looks like the bottom pic far right.  Still studying.  I'm thinking maybe the one you can only see half of the face in the top one.

[texasmom]

IMO looks like the bottom pic far right.  Still studying.  I'm thinking maybe the one you can only see half of the face in the top one.

I should have said, judging by the nose especially.

[San]

IMO looks like the bottom pic far right.  Still studying.  I'm thinking maybe the one you can only see half of the face in the top one.

I'm thinking the one to the right also.  He ain't that young.

[klaasend]

IMO looks like the bottom pic far right.  Still studying.  I'm thinking maybe the one you can only see half of the face in the top one.

I should have said, judging by the nose especially.

I agree, the nose is very distinctive in the younger picture.  Unless someone had a nose job 

[Kermit]

MOLE SAID: "He [Reality] has 16 nics at BFN. He may not be as smart as he thinks he is. Two and a half years is a long time for him to slip up. All you need is the wrong pissed of person. He has given women his phone number and supposedly has them call at a specific time. One of those women may have betrayed him. Just a guess."

[Kermit]

This is hard to put into words (and they are my words only and and opinion only) but did Robin work with these people behind the scenes and helped sabotage the search for Natalee?  I really would hate to believe this to be true but the more I see and hear the more I believe this.  Poor Dave IF that is the case.   JMO

I don't know, I would certainly hope not.  I'm really hoping she was just naive, and they knew the right things to say to get her attention and make her trust them.  IMO, I don't think she would have done anything to intentionally sabotage the search for Natalee.  She was used, imo.    

Thanks.  I hope you are right.  I can't bring myself to think she intentionally went into this with that in mind. 

Now just how did Reality get involved in all this?  Does he work for Aruba at the Tourism board in the UK?  And his name sounds more like American and not Africa.  Is he another American trader?

MOLE SAID: "It is in the heart of London just north of the Thames River. If you do a Google Earth on "Plumtree Court" you can see the area clearly.

Just 6-7 blocks south of there, just across the river, is "25 Copperfield Street". That is the address of the ATA offices in London. his IP hit and ATA are within walking distance.

[Kermit]

MOLE SAID: "London has an area of 609 square miles. Isn't it interesting his IP hit is only seven blocks from the ATA office?

[Kermit]

MOLE SAID:  "PITA hates his guts. I wonder if she has anything on his ragged ass?"


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