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« Reply #220 on: July 18, 2009, 06:20:05 PM »

"Dear Mrs. Gregoire" is very respectful in Tamikosmom's world.

Janet


In my world, "Dear Governor Gregoire" shows respect to the person and to the office she holds. IMO
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« Reply #221 on: July 18, 2009, 07:38:35 PM »

Baal of Peor - it has been suggested that Baal of Peor may have been Chemosh.  The Israelites, which encamped at Shittim on the high plains of Moab, were enticed into immorality and diolatry by the female worshippers of this god.
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« Reply #222 on: July 18, 2009, 07:57:13 PM »

Fish Gate is at 740 in elevation the highest.  The Tower of Hananel, Tower of Meah are part of the Castle.  Fish Gate, Sheep Gate, Fate of the Guard, Inspection Gate all lead to the temple area.  These are at 730 elevation.
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« Reply #223 on: July 18, 2009, 09:13:09 PM »

where are we going... ..... i normally blow this kind of stuff off..people pick snippets of what-have-you to comfort/justify themselves all the time....looneytoons everywhere....i think this is MUCH BIGGER...jmo
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« Reply #224 on: July 18, 2009, 10:47:08 PM »

DD, glad to see you back -- I was concerned for your safety.
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« Reply #225 on: July 18, 2009, 11:21:25 PM »

so lets get this ball rollin'....who's goin' first???
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« Reply #226 on: July 18, 2009, 11:25:36 PM »

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« Reply #227 on: July 18, 2009, 11:28:21 PM »

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« Reply #228 on: July 18, 2009, 11:48:19 PM »

I think I found the "38" 

the creek is also wildcat creek that is north to mccleary.  it is running into wildcat and there is a fork there.
just west of that is a rest area.  there is a heise road going south.  you come to the 38 south of that, but this is not in a red circle so not sure this is the right 38 still looking. 

there is garden city above mccleary. 

I am falling asleep is 2:30 am.  I will work on this more tomorrow but I think I am getting somewhere now.

Is there a map?
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« Reply #229 on: July 18, 2009, 11:54:50 PM »

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« Reply #230 on: July 20, 2009, 11:12:44 PM »

I hope this ok to post here...about the Northwest Life Center in Elma.
I found this web site while looking for the church.I thought this was an interesting comment made by one of the member/s.


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://democard.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/northwest-life-center1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://democard.wordpress.com/&usg=__1Op2fTalVeKlg-A91ccgAbSwNEo=&h=478&w=344&sz=68&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=3KgA9o6JKcp6HM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNorthwest%2BLife%2BCenter%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Northwest Life Center•May 23, 2009 • Leave a Comment
As I pulled into Elma, Washington I knew I had to get out and meet some of the people that made this town so cool. It just has a great vibe to it, kind of friendly and relaxed. Wouldn’t you know it, the first parking place I find is right in front of the Northwest Life Center, and they are open with free food!

I introduced myself, and when asked, told them that I was a photographer that was traveling through Washington to meet great people and get to know them and take their photos. There were several in the room that politely asked me not to photograph them, mumbling that it wouldn’t be good for the law to know where they are. Isn’t that interesting? My mind was drawn to the stories in the bible of how Jesus spent time with the common people, the sinners of the world. It touched my heart to be in such a place, and to feel accepted and welcome. A very cool thing indeed.

The stars of the show had to be Dick and Jerlean. She had cooked a couple of crock pot dishes to bring (the sign says “snacks” the reality was it was a full blown pot-luck lunch. I had just eaten sadly, so I didn’t eat, but it smelled great!) and Dick was the entertainment.

more at the link above......



EXCELLENT FIND,!!!!
Confirmation from the horses mouth that there are people there who would not want the law to know where they are.  so... they help to hide criminals??
Im so happy it was not just me reporting that something did not feel right about this place. Thank you for checking it outQ!! You all are super trouper monkeys!!
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« Reply #231 on: July 20, 2009, 11:17:19 PM »

I think I found the "38" 

the creek is also wildcat creek that is north to mccleary.  it is running into wildcat and there is a fork there.
just west of that is a rest area.  there is a heise road going south.  you come to the 38 south of that, but this is not in a red circle so not sure this is the right 38 still looking. 

there is garden city above mccleary. 

I am falling asleep is 2:30 am.  I will work on this more tomorrow but I think I am getting somewhere now.

Is there a map?
I can help with this area . just ask and Ill tell you. I will look for a map tonight
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« Reply #232 on: July 23, 2009, 05:21:07 PM »

I thought the words said by the police that they were NOT GOING ON A WITCH HUNT was kind of strange.  but when you look at this(at the end of article) ... could they be remembering a time when the were accused of "being on a witch hunt when trying to track down Satanists?  Are the police now thinking that something like this is going on again?  Why did the police now in Lindsey's case us the word WITCHHUNT, that seemed so strange to me, until I read this. 

The Olympian, Trhusday, Dec. 1, 1994, page C1
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Ingram seeks pardon from state
By Brad Shannon


Board will recommend:  The state Clemency and pardons Board will listen
to the sheriff deputy convicted of incest on Friday.


A former top Thurston County sheriff's deputy convicted of incest is
seeking a pardon or some other help from Gov.  Mike Lowry.

Advocates for Paul Ingram, who's controversial case is discussed in
several new books, will be given a hearing sometime after 9 a.m. Friday
before the Clemency and Pardons Board.

Because of an outpouring of interest, the meeting has been moved to a
larger room, Hearing Room 4, in the Cherberg Building, which is the
Senate office building, according to Anne Fennessy, the governor's press
secretary.

The board can reject Ingram's request, ask for more information or make
a recommendation of anything from a partial to full pardon, according to
Fennessy.  The five-member board's rulings are advisory only, although
18 clemency actions have been taken by Washington governors since 1986,
Fennessy said.

But as one of some 22 cases before the pardons board, Ingram supporters
may have little time to make a case.

Ingram, the former top civil sheriff's deputy and head of the Thurston
County Republican Party, pleaded guilty to six counts of child rape in
1989 and is serving a 20-year prison term at Delaware State Prison.

He since has tried unsuccessfully to withdraw his guilty plea, claiming
he was coerced into confessing to acts he did not commit.

But both the state Supreme Court and U.S. District Court have upheld the
validity of Ingram's plea, which also underwent a five-day review in
Thurston County Superior Court.

Gary Tabor, the county's chief criminal deputy prosecutor, says Ingram
implicated himself in statements to police, long before investigators, a
minister or psychologists got involved in the questioning.

However, victims of so-called "recovered memory" are rallying behind
Ingram, creating a defense fund and trying to generate support for his
cause.

The advocates suggest Ingram's memories of abuse were manufactured.

Among those advocates is Seattle-based Chuck Noah, a former Lewis County
resident, who says he himself was falsely accused of abuse by his
daughter after a therapist encouraged her to remember events that Noah
claims were fictitious.



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Ingram conviction heats up debate on recovered memories

By Brad Shannon

Who's the victim?  Some activists say memories of past sex abuse are
often the result of poor therapy.


The Paul Ingram case lies at the center of a national debate over the
value of so-called "recovered memories" of childhood sexual abuse.

Activists rallying behind Ingram, who was convicted of raping his
daughters, say memories of long-forgotten sex abuse are actually the
result of sloppy therapy or implanting, a phenomenon they call false
memory syndrome.

Among the activists is Chuck Noah, a Seattle man who was accused of
abuse by one of his own daughters, a charge Noah heatedly denies.  Noah
believes Ingram similarly was the victim of false accusations.

But Thurston County Sheriff Gary Edwards and Chief Criminal Deputy
Prosecutor Gary Tabor have stood by investigator' handling of the case
in which Ingram, a former top official in the sheriff's office, admitted
his guilt and then tried to take back his guilty plea.

"Before there was any opportunity for anyone to brainwash him, he had
already admitted (the abuse)," Tabor said Wednesday. "The brainwashing
theory was only a theory."

Those advocating he brainwashing theory have had several chances to make
their case, Tabor said, "but it has been found not to be credible by any
number of courts."  Tabor noted that the Superior Court, Court of
Appeals, state Supreme Court and U.S. District Court in Seattle all have
let Ingram's plea stand.

Edwards said recently that Ingram had admitted molesting his daughters -
even before Ingram was subjected to questioning that became the focus of
critical books, magazine articles and television specials.

After being told the girls would need counseling, Ingram told Edwards:
"You better get some help for the boys (Ingram's sons), too."

But in Lawrence Wright's book, "Remembering Satan:  A Case of Recovered
Memory and the Shattering of an American Family," Ingram is described as
being encouraged by both police investigators and his pastor to recall
events.

According to Wright's research of the Ingram case files, Ingram was told
that in cases like this one, a suspect sometimes will find that he can
remember better once he confesses.

A day or hours after certain questions would be asked concerning new
allegations made by his daughters, Ingram would come back with detailed
recollections that seemed to incorporate the previous day's questions.

Ingram also made hypothetical statements, describing how he would have
done the abuse, if he were to have done it.

Ingram was arrested on the charges in 1989.  No physical evidence of
sexual abuse or satanic activity was ever produced.

The most bizarre element in the Ingram case involved unproven
allegations by Ingram's daughters that he and numerous other deputies
engaged in satanic rituals that included the sacrifice of babies and
sexual abuse.

Police dug up land around Ingram's home on Fir Tree Loop, but found no
bones.

Two other men accused of sex abuse in the case were never brought to
trial as the daughters' stories became entwined in stories of Satanism.

Charges against the men eventually were dropped, but Undersheriff Neil
McClanahan, who led the investigations has refused to clear their names.


Richard Ofshe, a Berkeley sociologist who believes Ingram manufactured
his memories of satanic abuse, has suggested the sheriff's office went
on a modern-day witchhunt.


I witnessed something weird regarding that Ingram case when it was happening which I would like to share with you and sister - do I send this info thru klaas?
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« Reply #233 on: July 23, 2009, 09:05:06 PM »

DD, I think this was what you were attributing to Wayne Watne.  Love posted it on another thread:

This seems quite eerie to me...


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« Reply #234 on: July 23, 2009, 09:08:36 PM »

I thought the words said by the police that they were NOT GOING ON A WITCH HUNT was kind of strange.  but when you look at this(at the end of article) ... could they be remembering a time when the were accused of "being on a witch hunt when trying to track down Satanists?  Are the police now thinking that something like this is going on again?  Why did the police now in Lindsey's case us the word WITCHHUNT, that seemed so strange to me, until I read this. 

The Olympian, Trhusday, Dec. 1, 1994, page C1
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ingram seeks pardon from state
By Brad Shannon
Board will recommend:  The state Clemency and pardons Board will listen
to the sheriff deputy convicted of incest on Friday.
A former top Thurston County sheriff's deputy convicted of incest is
seeking a pardon or some other help from Gov.  Mike Lowry.
Advocates for Paul Ingram, who's controversial case is discussed in
several new books, will be given a hearing sometime after 9 a.m. Friday
before the Clemency and Pardons Board.

Because of an outpouring of interest, the meeting has been moved to a
larger room, Hearing Room 4, in the Cherberg Building, which is the
Senate office building, according to Anne Fennessy, the governor's press
secretary.

The board can reject Ingram's request, ask for more information or make
a recommendation of anything from a partial to full pardon, according to
Fennessy.  The five-member board's rulings are advisory only, although
18 clemency actions have been taken by Washington governors since 1986,
Fennessy said.

But as one of some 22 cases before the pardons board, Ingram supporters
may have little time to make a case.

Ingram, the former top civil sheriff's deputy and head of the Thurston
County Republican Party, pleaded guilty to six counts of child rape in
1989 and is serving a 20-year prison term at Delaware State Prison.

He since has tried unsuccessfully to withdraw his guilty plea, claiming
he was coerced into confessing to acts he did not commit.

But both the state Supreme Court and U.S. District Court have upheld the
validity of Ingram's plea, which also underwent a five-day review in
Thurston County Superior Court.

Gary Tabor, the county's chief criminal deputy prosecutor, says Ingram
implicated himself in statements to police, long before investigators, a
minister or psychologists got involved in the questioning.

However, victims of so-called "recovered memory" are rallying behind
Ingram, creating a defense fund and trying to generate support for his
cause.

The advocates suggest Ingram's memories of abuse were manufactured.

Among those advocates is Seattle-based Chuck Noah, a former Lewis County
resident, who says he himself was falsely accused of abuse by his
daughter after a therapist encouraged her to remember events that Noah
claims were fictitious.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Page C2
Ingram conviction heats up debate on recovered memories

By Brad Shannon

Who's the victim?  Some activists say memories of past sex abuse are
often the result of poor therapy.

The Paul Ingram case lies at the center of a national debate over the
value of so-called "recovered memories" of childhood sexual abuse.

Activists rallying behind Ingram, who was convicted of raping his
daughters, say memories of long-forgotten sex abuse are actually the
result of sloppy therapy or implanting, a phenomenon they call false
memory syndrome.

Among the activists is Chuck Noah, a Seattle man who was accused of
abuse by one of his own daughters, a charge Noah heatedly denies.  Noah
believes Ingram similarly was the victim of false accusations.

But Thurston County Sheriff Gary Edwards and Chief Criminal Deputy
Prosecutor Gary Tabor have stood by investigator' handling of the case
in which Ingram, a former top official in the sheriff's office, admitted
his guilt and then tried to take back his guilty plea.

"Before there was any opportunity for anyone to brainwash him, he had
already admitted (the abuse)," Tabor said Wednesday. "The brainwashing
theory was only a theory."

Those advocating he brainwashing theory have had several chances to make
their case, Tabor said, "but it has been found not to be credible by any
number of courts."  Tabor noted that the Superior Court, Court of
Appeals, state Supreme Court and U.S. District Court in Seattle all have
let Ingram's plea stand.

Edwards said recently that Ingram had admitted molesting his daughters -
even before Ingram was subjected to questioning that became the focus of
critical books, magazine articles and television specials.

After being told the girls would need counseling, Ingram told Edwards:
"You better get some help for the boys (Ingram's sons), too."

But in Lawrence Wright's book, "Remembering Satan:  A Case of Recovered
Memory and the Shattering of an American Family," Ingram is described as
being encouraged by both police investigators and his pastor to recall
events.

According to Wright's research of the Ingram case files, Ingram was told
that in cases like this one, a suspect sometimes will find that he can
remember better once he confesses.

A day or hours after certain questions would be asked concerning new
allegations made by his daughters, Ingram would come back with detailed
recollections that seemed to incorporate the previous day's questions.

Ingram also made hypothetical statements, describing how he would have
done the abuse, if he were to have done it.

Ingram was arrested on the charges in 1989.  No physical evidence of
sexual abuse or satanic activity was ever produced.

The most bizarre element in the Ingram case involved unproven
allegations by Ingram's daughters that he and numerous other deputies
engaged in satanic rituals that included the sacrifice of babies and
sexual abuse.

Police dug up land around Ingram's home on Fir Tree Loop, but found no
bones.

Two other men accused of sex abuse in the case were never brought to
trial as the daughters' stories became entwined in stories of Satanism.

Charges against the men eventually were dropped, but Undersheriff Neil
McClanahan, who led the investigations has refused to clear their names.


Richard Ofshe, a Berkeley sociologist who believes Ingram manufactured
his memories of satanic abuse, has suggested the sheriff's office went
on a modern-day witchhunt.


I witnessed something weird regarding that Ingram case when it was happening which I would like to share with you and sister - do I send this info thru klaas?

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« Reply #235 on: August 11, 2009, 09:20:46 PM »

there is an old stanislaus county cali det who is now an expert on occultic / Satanic etc cases.  His name is Randy Cerny.  I am not sure where he is located NOW.  He is sometimes called in as an expert.  I don't even know what all he knows about really.  But he has commented on some of the cases I have researched. Although he never saw what I was seeing.  He saw the basic stuff but didn't see the details and combinations I see. 

But so far, in looking at the maps I am not locating anything yet where I would think Lindsey would be taken IF falls in line with what I am looking for.  I am still looking though.

I did find a HELLS creek and the GATE, but there is a MOON by the Gate and moon does not really mean much to me.  Hells creek and gate might if there were more by it, but on the map I looked on I did not see anymore, but I will pull up some really old maps and see if there is more there not on the other maps. 

Oh gosh, I've spoken with Randy, many many times!  He is/was the Director of the Northern Chapter of California’s Ritual Crime Investigator’s Association.  I last spoke with him in Sacramento, CA back in the 90's.  Yes, he definitely is an expert.  He and I have, among other things, spoken together a great deal about how often LE turn their backs on satanic ritual crimes, and/or demands a gag order on the media ... so as "not to upset the public". 

The public will never ever understand, believe, or come to accept that ritual crime DOES happen in different states and beyond, until/unless LE stops making what they find so dang hush-hush from society. 

Amazing that we both know of Randy.  He may have his limitations, yet is by far the best I've ever encountered who knows about this stuff.   
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« Reply #236 on: August 11, 2009, 09:33:11 PM »

there is an old stanislaus county cali det who is now an expert on occultic / Satanic etc cases.  His name is Randy Cerny.  I am not sure where he is located NOW.  He is sometimes called in as an expert.  I don't even know what all he knows about really.  But he has commented on some of the cases I have researched. Although he never saw what I was seeing.  He saw the basic stuff but didn't see the details and combinations I see. 

But so far, in looking at the maps I am not locating anything yet where I would think Lindsey would be taken IF falls in line with what I am looking for.  I am still looking though.

I did find a HELLS creek and the GATE, but there is a MOON by the Gate and moon does not really mean much to me.  Hells creek and gate might if there were more by it, but on the map I looked on I did not see anymore, but I will pull up some really old maps and see if there is more there not on the other maps. 

Oh gosh, I've spoken with Randy, many many times!  He is/was the Director of the Northern Chapter of California’s Ritual Crime Investigator’s Association.  I last spoke with him in Sacramento, CA back in the 90's.  Yes, he definitely is an expert.  He and I have, among other things, spoken together a great deal about how often LE turn their backs on satanic ritual crimes, and/or demands a gag order on the media ... so as "not to upset the public". 

The public will never ever understand, believe, or come to accept that ritual crime DOES happen in different states and beyond, until/unless LE stops making what they find so dang hush-hush from society. 

Amazing that we both know of Randy.  He may have his limitations, yet is by far the best I've ever encountered who knows about this stuff.   


Wyks, the public doesn't want to wrap their heads around this -- so much like in the Cantu case.  I did see a post where a hearing in Cantu has been moved to Monday.
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« Reply #237 on: August 11, 2009, 09:49:47 PM »

Just in case you are reading here.  Yes, YOU the person responsible for Lindsey being gone.

I have reached the gates but I am not standing outside waiting for the gate keepers to open them.  I have went into the center and there we do see you.  and yes I know you will understand this perfectly well. I'm elsewhere now, but I am working non stop, don't think I have went away, I have not; and now there is more than I working to track you.  You won't see that though. 

so maybe at this point you should start communicating.  I think that is your best bet.  Of course my email is on this board but you won't do it that way and I do not expect you to, but you will find another way, you people always do. 

there are many gates, through which one do we enter?  I'll take my pick, they all lead to the center of the out of the sun and into the shade.  and no we are not walking with the Queen of the North, think again. 

so I'm waiting for some correspondence.  You're smart enough to do that...aren't you? 



DD,

After reading this plea for some type of communication from the one responsible for Lindsey's disappearance, am wondering...... when did Campbell begin leaving cryptic messages in Lindsey's guestbook???  Was it after you wrote this post or before?   

Going in another direction with Campbell..... I realize that there is a concern that he seems to have disappeared himself.  Perhaps he had nothing to do with her disappearance, but has info about that.  Am wondering if he is in some sort of 'protective custody'? 
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« Reply #238 on: August 11, 2009, 10:01:10 PM »

Wyks, did you have a chance to read the Adam Campbell thread?
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« Reply #239 on: August 11, 2009, 10:04:29 PM »

there is an old stanislaus county cali det who is now an expert on occultic / Satanic etc cases.  His name is Randy Cerny.  I am not sure where he is located NOW.  He is sometimes called in as an expert.  I don't even know what all he knows about really.  But he has commented on some of the cases I have researched. Although he never saw what I was seeing.  He saw the basic stuff but didn't see the details and combinations I see. 

But so far, in looking at the maps I am not locating anything yet where I would think Lindsey would be taken IF falls in line with what I am looking for.  I am still looking though.

I did find a HELLS creek and the GATE, but there is a MOON by the Gate and moon does not really mean much to me.  Hells creek and gate might if there were more by it, but on the map I looked on I did not see anymore, but I will pull up some really old maps and see if there is more there not on the other maps. 

Oh gosh, I've spoken with Randy, many many times!  He is/was the Director of the Northern Chapter of California’s Ritual Crime Investigator’s Association.  I last spoke with him in Sacramento, CA back in the 90's.  Yes, he definitely is an expert.  He and I have, among other things, spoken together a great deal about how often LE turn their backs on satanic ritual crimes, and/or demands a gag order on the media ... so as "not to upset the public". 

The public will never ever understand, believe, or come to accept that ritual crime DOES happen in different states and beyond, until/unless LE stops making what they find so dang hush-hush from society. 

Amazing that we both know of Randy.  He may have his limitations, yet is by far the best I've ever encountered who knows about this stuff.   


Wyks, the public doesn't want to wrap their heads around this -- so much like in the Cantu case.  I did see a post where a hearing in Cantu has been moved to Monday.


I agree with you Sister, there is much truth about how evil some human beings are capable of, that the public does not want to hear, believe or accept. 

It's the same thing that happened with domestic violence, no one wanted to believe that it was happening or even hear about it.  It took a long longgggggg time for the public to wake up, start to listen and look around them at the reality of the world, then finally begin to accept things as they are. 

Those of us in the world who have been victims/survivors of ritual abuse NEED to start talking, keep talking about what our truths are, what reality IS when we see it and hear of it, just as domestic violence victims/survivors had to do.  Just as incest victims/survivors had to do.  And etc.  It's the only way to make the public get to a place where they are able to hear truth, as uncomfy for them as it is to hear and believe. 
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