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« Reply #140 on: July 08, 2006, 02:33:23 AM »

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Ok, I'm back.  had to take care of some "busines"...

I miss anything??


just some Roll Tide stuff between me and Slinger


Sorry I missed that...Wink  No plans this evening?  Wait...I guess it's morning where you are.  My bad...Wink


yeah and i gotta be at work in a bit so i'm heading to bed.
nite ya'll see ya tomorrow!
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« Reply #141 on: July 08, 2006, 02:33:47 AM »

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Ok, I'm back.  had to take care of some "busines"...

I miss anything??


You sure did! You missed ME!  Laughing


That goes without saying, my dear!  I miss you the very second I leave here...Wink


Wow! How gallant of you third! I'm all "aflutter". I think I like "aflutter"!  Laughing

Hey! That's another one for inclusion in Webster's!
a-flut-ter: avb; 1) having relevence to what Third does to CBB. 2) warm mix of flattered and embarrassment, causing blushed facial tones.
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« Reply #142 on: July 08, 2006, 02:34:54 AM »

grande Says:
July 7th, 2006 at 10:18 pm
PLANTATION, FLORIDA (Ft. Lauderdale Suburb) http://i6.tinypic.com/1zbw6so.jpg ( Note the addresses! )

INVESTOR PROTECTION ALERT — FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE)
Warning to Alabama Citizens
About Possible Illegal Offer and/or Sale of Securities
MONTGOMERY, ALABAMA (March 4, 2005) Joseph P. Borg, Director of the Alabama
Securities Commission warns Alabama citizens to be on alert for investment offerings from
CARUBA INTERNATIONAL, LLC (“CARUBA”), TRADEWIND HOLDING COMPANY
(“TRADEWIND”) and suspected key associates listed below.

RESPONDENTS
1. CARUBA INTERNATIONAL, LLC (“CARUBA”), with a business address of xxxx N.
University Drive, Suite 102-337, PLANTATION, FL 33322, is an inactive Florida limited liability
company not registered with the Alabama Secretary of State.

http://tinyurl.com/z3kfh

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Same building as Caruba…

Student Assistance Services, Inc.

Student Financial Services, Inc.
Fred Markowitz
Donald McGovern

LOCATION: 1868 North University Drive, Suite 202, Fort Lauderdale, Florida; and 1802 North University Drive, Suite 200, PLANTATION, Florida

ALLEGATIONS: Have sent more than 1 million postcards to high school and college students advertising scholarship services and listing an 800 number. Telemarketers told consumers that, for a $179 up-front fee, they could find “unclaimed” scholarship and grant funds from private companies, and guaranteed to refund the fee if the students did not get at least $1,000. Consumers received either nothing at all, or a list of “sources” for financial aid for which they had to apply on their own or which in fact were contests, loans or work-study programs. Many sources were no longer available or not suitable for the student. Students seeking refunds had to apply in writing to each source on the list and provide rejection letters and, even then, many did not receive refunds.

THE DISAPPEARANCE OF COLLEEN PERRIS

“It started with something as innocuous as a call to Colleen’s cell phone.

On September 30, 2000, Colleen Perris, a popular PLANTATION, Florida teenager was enjoying her Saturday off lounging at home with her mother Nancy.

At 2:59pm, Colleen was in her bedroom when her cell phone rang.

A short time later, Colleen breezed through the house and told her mother she was going out, but would be home by 5:30pm….”

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“You can take Gabriel out of Aruba, but you can’t take Aruba out of Gabriel”

Gabriel Leo – PLANTATION, Florida

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I dont get the feeling that he ( Gabriel Leo ) was motivated by the ‘moral rightness of justice’ based on the Broward County Circuit Clerk’s office records.

DRIVING WHILE LICENSE SUSPENDED
FAILURE TO USE DUE CARE
PERSONAL INJURY
CRIMINAL DAMAGES $500 - $2500

Sorry to do this Gabe, however in light of you posting as an apparent Aruban government activist, I suppose you allowed for this.

You stated recently that you have a vacation home in Plantation. You only spend vacations in Florida? Well if that’s the case I would certainly be interested in knowing what criminal activity you are involved with in Aruba. I can only imagine what your rap sheet would look like in, given they had a legitimate justice system.

Also I noted you and your roommates there in Plantation are doing real estate development with specialized HVAC training. Can I ask how you made a living in Aruba?

(CAREFUL WHAT YOU POST ON THE INTERNET. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED WHAT ELSE YOU CAN FIND OUT ABOUT A PERSON WITH VERY LITTLE INFORMATION – NOTE MY POSTS REGARDING THE NORTH VALLEY CARTEL IN THE SAME OFFICES AS THE POSNERS AND THE DUTCH CONSULATE IN MIAMI. SOLID PROOF.)

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Curacao apparently has been relocated to PLANTATION, Florida AMONG OTHER THINGS.

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Disclaimer: The information within this profile has been gathered in an effort to research the motives behind the Shango posts and Gabriel Leo posts associated with the Natalee Holloway Case. In an effort to familiarize myself with the political and criminal atmosphere in Aruba, I have been researching the public databases in Aruba, Curacao and Florida. The results of these searches have not been revised or edited in any way. Critical Personal information i.e., street number addresses and phone numbers have been altered in order to discourage personal contact with the individuals of interest.

In the United States each state is responsible for maintaining the articles of incorporation for each business that operates within there states borders. In most cases these records are made public via a searchable database maintained by the Secretary of States Division of Corporations. Individual records include the registered officers and corresponding addresses as well as incorporation date, and more. Changes to ones personal status are to be filed as amendments to the articles of incorporation.

Similarly, civil and criminal records are also in most cases accessible to the public via the web. Criminal records are maintained by the clerk of the courts of the corresponding County. Civil records are generally available through the circuit clerks office.

This is my best faith effort to assist the Holloway family in their attempts to uncover the truth. There is a tremendous amount of individuals providing due diligence on the timeline of events of the night in question, with just cause. It has occurred in my lifetime that in most cases, crime is a result of one of three issues. Money, Politics and personal relationships generally speaking, provide motive for most criminal behavior. Clearly in this case, we can discount personal relationships as a motive for the disappearance of Natalee.

Certainly money and politics did not provide motive for Natalee’s disappearance or did they? I believe we can all agree that in the initial stages money and politics were not a factor for Joran Van Der Sloot. There is no evidence of that nature. My concern is the snakes oil investigation that followed which has lead to our current state of affairs.

With that being said, please accept this information as a sincere effort to assist in the pursuit of CRIMINAL CHARGES against everyone and anyone that played a role in this crime.

Working on a MIAMI, FLORIDA Profile for what it’s worth. It includes very revealing information regarding the Posner’s and the North Valley Cartel.



INTERESTING FRONT PAGE POST
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« Reply #143 on: July 08, 2006, 02:39:09 AM »

Nite SunFreak, Nite Spooky! Dolly and Ronstadt did a great version of Sandman! This pic's the only one I could find of Mr. Sandman, but it's for you!

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« Reply #144 on: July 08, 2006, 02:42:38 AM »

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Ok, I'm back.  had to take care of some "busines"...

I miss anything??


You sure did! You missed ME!  Laughing


That goes without saying, my dear!  I miss you the very second I leave here...Wink


Wow! How gallant of you third! I'm all "aflutter". I think I like "aflutter"!  Laughing

Hey! That's another one for inclusion in Webster's!
a-flut-ter: avb; 1) having relevence to what Third does to CBB. 2) warm mix of flattered and embarrassment, causing blushed facial tones.


I think I am now "aflutter" because of you CBB!  Maybe you can add a 3rd inclusion to reflect what your presence does to me...Wink
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« Reply #145 on: July 08, 2006, 02:52:11 AM »

Tyler................whoa! Yep, I'd call that a VERY interesting front page post!
It's sure a small world! Plantation has a very healthy "escort" population as well, and at least one stolen BMW that was bought with my second mortgage, without my knowledge. 'Couse at least 25 Plantation citizens have 8X10 color photos of an escort's web page identifying their neighbor, too. I digress, sorry! Hit a nerve.  Embarassed
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« Reply #146 on: July 08, 2006, 03:12:05 AM »

Well, I was hoping you were still here CBB, but it appears you may have went off to bed.  In any case, have a good night, and an even better weekend ahead!  Wink
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« Reply #147 on: July 08, 2006, 03:12:47 AM »

Just turning in Third! You have a great one too! Nite!
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« Reply #148 on: July 08, 2006, 03:30:47 AM »

Klass, I know you're gone for the night. But, I was reading back, and Houdini had asked for my email address.  Please send him my address when you get the chance.

Thanks in advance.  Everyone have a GREAT weekend!!  Wink
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« Reply #149 on: July 08, 2006, 06:31:34 AM »

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Nite SunFreak, Nite Spooky! Dolly and Ronstadt did a great version of Sandman! This pic's the only one I could find of Mr. Sandman, but it's for you!



WHoa....

That thing would scare me to death if he were to sing me a dream.

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« Reply #150 on: July 08, 2006, 06:55:54 AM »

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Tyler; it's like Joran's shoes, and the "natalee fell and hit her head" story. There's purpose in the added details that really mean it's something to take a hard look at.


Exactly and I am glad you brought that up about "Fell and hit her head."  That came up today and some do not believe that was ever said.


 Question  Question  Question  Question
Well, I don't know how to say this, but....................
They are wrong. It was said by Joran and Deepak.


I wish you had been here earlier on those two conversations.  We had some doubtin' Thomases on both those subjects this afternoon.  Shrugged shoulders and went out to eat, dead-headed some roses and returned.


Tylergal --

I will try this one more time before you give too many additional posters the wrong impression.

My question was -- can anyone find a transcript where the statement 'she fell and hit her head' came from any of the 3 boys.

It is not in Deepaks statement to the police or Joran's interview with Greta. I don't remember it Joran's statements to the police either. I don't know if it was in the original Deepak email.

Tylergal -- you provided a transcript where the statement was made by Beth -- and that she did not hear Joran say it. But Jug or one of his friend's heard Joran say it.

Now, before you attempt to twist the words yet again  Wink I too believe Beth. Always have. Don't have any reason to not believe her.

But my question was -- do we have anywhere a statement -- made by one of the 3 boys -- making this comment about her hitting her head.

I clearly remember the comment. I remember getting the feelling that she hurt herself trying to get away from j2k. I just could not remember the comment coming from j2k.

I hope you do finally understand my question. I apologize that I was not able to articulate this clearly enough. I hope I have now. If not -- it would be preferable to drop the subject rather than have to read any more mistruths written about me.

I don't save articles on my PC, but rather have used the SM archives when I need to research something. Since they are currently unavailable, I thought I would ask the question of the other posters. Sure learned my lesson.

TIA
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« Reply #151 on: July 08, 2006, 07:12:56 AM »

dkpen -- thanks so much for this! I have now saved your post of the email from Deepak so I won't have to ask about it Wink  

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"so i drove to the lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the car and fell on the floor my friend said damn she fell and then rushed out of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no."


He never says 'she hit her head'. The reason for my questions are the timeline. If Joran said it the first night that Beth and Jug were on the island -- but never said it again....it would imply that at a certain point they knew they didn't need the lie.
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« Reply #152 on: July 08, 2006, 07:26:01 AM »

Good morning, monkeys!

Check out my new sig line! Muhahahaha!

Off for the day to the new place. Culligan is coming to install a water softener (really yucky well water...ick), and then I can start cleaning like a white tornado!
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« Reply #153 on: July 08, 2006, 09:16:52 AM »

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dkpen -- thanks so much for this! I have now saved your post of the email from Deepak so I won't have to ask about it Wink  

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"so i drove to the lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the car and fell on the floor my friend said damn she fell and then rushed out of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no."


He never says 'she hit her head'. The reason for my questions are the timeline. If Joran said it the first night that Beth and Jug were on the island -- but never said it again....it would imply that at a certain point they knew they didn't need the lie.

Why would she want to push someone away when they were only helping her up.  I guess when Paulus wrote this email a made a mistake with his wording.  Or was he trying to tell us that Natalee was really fighting for her life by trying to push them away.
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« Reply #154 on: July 08, 2006, 09:34:34 AM »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8959673

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KOSINSKI:  Carlos and Charlie‘s, this is where it all started around 1:30 in the morning, where Natalee celebrated the last night of her graduation trip with her friends and the last place they ever saw her.  Out here getting into a car with the Kalpoe brothers and Joran Van Der Sloot and yelling, “Yay, Aruba,” as they drove off.

But Natalee‘s mother says those friends told her kids were just pouring out of the bar and jumping into the cabs that lined this street and that Natalee thought she was getting into a cab headed back to her hotel.  They also said Joran had told this group that he was also staying at the Holiday Inn.

Getting into that car is the last moment anyone can really say where Natalee was.  One story takes us directly to the Holiday Inn.  Natalee‘s family‘s attorney says at least one of the boys told police they took her here, that she got out of the car, fell and hit her head, that Joran got out and asked her if she needed help, but that she said she was fine.

They also reportedly told police they saw a security guard help her inside.  Problem is, security cameras show absolutely none of this.  


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« Reply #155 on: July 08, 2006, 09:36:18 AM »

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/29/ng.01.html

HOLLOWAY TWITTY: The first story -- and you know, Nancy, I was not in the group when they were giving this information. Jug and the rest of the group that flew in with us were there. But he was stating that he had dropped Natalee off, and that he and Deepak and Satish had dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, when she got out of the car she stumbled, fell, hit her head, got up, and two security guards met her there at the entrance.
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« Reply #156 on: July 08, 2006, 09:42:18 AM »

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HOLLOWAY TWITTY: The first story -- and you know, Nancy, I was not in the group when they were giving this information. Jug and the rest of the group that flew in with us were there. But he was stating that he had dropped Natalee off, and that he and Deepak and Satish had dropped her off at the Holiday Inn, when she got out of the car she stumbled, fell, hit her head, got up, and two security guards met her there at the entrance.

Notice how Paulus scripted the hit her head theory from day one.  Deepak's email he is saying the same thing.  He changed it slightly by her saying no she was fine after she fell but in the email it says she pushed them away.

To me it is more like who hit her in the head (Joran, Freddy or Paulus).

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« Reply #157 on: July 08, 2006, 09:52:49 AM »

Where did everyone go San??  Laughing
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« Reply #158 on: July 08, 2006, 09:55:09 AM »

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Where did everyone go San??  Laughing

Beats me I'm sitting her patiently waiting Smile .  I guess I could do some chores but I don't feel like it.
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« Reply #159 on: July 08, 2006, 09:58:07 AM »

Klaas, do you know if Dana is going to ask Art Wood questions from the original list or were new questions forwarded to him.  Since we leard a lot about Freddy's brother and possibility a connection with videos that would be a good question to ask.
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