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« Reply #220 on: July 08, 2006, 11:41:33 AM »

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Tyler; it's like Joran's shoes, and the "natalee fell and hit her head" story. There's purpose in the added details that really mean it's something to take a hard look at.


Exactly and I am glad you brought that up about "Fell and hit her head."  That came up today and some do not believe that was ever said.


So far I see these key things they are really worried about:

Evidence on Joran's shoes; her head injury; 8 1/2 cell phone/maybe computer activity between Joran & Deepak; her calling for help from the car; being seen at the Sloot compound.
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« Reply #221 on: July 08, 2006, 11:46:50 AM »

Morning All!

I've got to catch up but wanted to say HI!
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« Reply #222 on: July 08, 2006, 11:49:26 AM »

In the VF article it says: "If her body had been buried on Aruba, it probably would have been found by now. If it had been dumped into the surf, it would have ended up back on the beach the following morning. But 200 yards offshore is a sandbar. It's a romantic rendezvous. Couples sometimes go there to make love, and the fishermen watch from their boats. On the other side of that sandbar the current shifts, running west. Anything placed in the water on the far side of the sandbar will drift away from the island, toward Panama. If Natalee was deposited there, her body is gone forever."

Is this sandbar visible in any aerial photos of M beach area?  

If this info is true could explain how Joran gets rid of her body from M beach before returning home and surfing net.  Only problem would be the 3 fishermen who say they saw nothing that nite, seems like they would have noticed someone swimming with a body or carrying a body on the sandbar.
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« Reply #223 on: July 08, 2006, 11:53:34 AM »

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HAMMER,

I have always contended that what the Headmaster said in the very beginning could hold the key to so many things.  Jug practically begged that his statement be taken.  I believe the HM went away for most of the summer after school was out and by the time he returned he was a team player and had dummied up.

But he is an American and was talking openly with the friends of Jug who went to the school to put up the posters on Wednesday and told them plenty.  Too bad no one took all that down but then that would be assuming they actually wanted evidence.   Sad

So instead we get the revised version of history after Anita and Julia Renfro work it over.  It was the repeating of what Anita had claimed which was totally false instead of what the headmaster said, claimed by Julia Renfroe on national TV, that began the rift between her and Beth for it was a completely different story than what the HM was telling to the friends of Jug earlier.  First big tip as to whose side Julia was really on after all.

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« Reply #224 on: July 08, 2006, 11:56:44 AM »

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Tyler; it's like Joran's shoes, and the "natalee fell and hit her head" story. There's purpose in the added details that really mean it's something to take a hard look at.


Exactly and I am glad you brought that up about "Fell and hit her head."  That came up today and some do not believe that was ever said.


So far I see these key things they are really worried about:

Evidence on Joran's shoes; her head injury; 8 1/2 cell phone/maybe computer activity between Joran & Deepak; her calling for help from the car; being seen at the Sloot compound.


Seems that's it, Ono....pretty good deductions.

So...where does KJ stand?   Can she..and if so...Will she present these to the judge?
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« Reply #225 on: July 08, 2006, 11:57:17 AM »

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You know, those e-mails are interesting. The language in them is in stark contrast to the taped van conversation, where every other word is a curse word. Those e-mails read as though they are a story for an English class. The van conversation was probably a bit guarded for fear of being recorded, but more true to reality. The e-mails are definately staged for public viewing, IMO.


I agree..I always thought they were pure fictional self-serving propaganda, perhaps using a few facts, but twisting them. It's halo-polishing hogwash.
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« Reply #226 on: July 08, 2006, 12:00:17 PM »

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Tyler; it's like Joran's shoes, and the "natalee fell and hit her head" story. There's purpose in the added details that really mean it's something to take a hard look at.


Exactly and I am glad you brought that up about "Fell and hit her head."  That came up today and some do not believe that was ever said.


So far I see these key things they are really worried about:

Evidence on Joran's shoes; her head injury; 8 1/2 cell phone/maybe computer activity between Joran & Deepak; her calling for help from the car; being seen at the Sloot compound.


Seems that's it, Ono....pretty good deductions.

So...where does KJ stand?   Can she..and if so...Will she present these to the judge?


The 'jury is still out' regarding KJ as far as I'm concerned..Time will tell but she's not looking too good!  She worries me. Going back to page two now...trying to catch up again..LOL! Cool
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« Reply #227 on: July 08, 2006, 12:02:29 PM »

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OMG..

I actually managed  to find something I was looking for  Shocked
Aruba Suspect Changes Story; Dad Arrested
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html


A good find, OF!  If I am reading it correctly, it says that Joran changed his story to dropped her at the beach on Thursday, the same day Paulis was arrested.   Pretty telling!
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« Reply #228 on: July 08, 2006, 12:02:43 PM »

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HAMMER,

I have always contended that what the Headmaster said in the very beginning could hold the key to so many things.  Jug practically begged that his statement be taken.  I believe the HM went away for most of the summer after school was out and by the time he returned he was a team player and had dummied up.

But he is an American and was talking openly with the friends of Jug who went to the school to put up the posters on Wednesday and told them plenty.  Too bad no one took all that down but then that would be assuming they actually wanted evidence.   Sad

So instead we get the revised version of history after Anita and Julia Renfro work it over.  It was the repeating of what Anita had claimed which was totally false instead of what the headmaster said, claimed by Julia Renfroe on national TV, that began the rift between her and Beth for it was a completely different story than what the HM was telling to the friends of Jug earlier.  First big tip as to whose side Julia was really on after all.

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Yup. Even how Joran got to school on Monday is questionable.
Did he get a ride 1/2 way ?
What about the Tuesday, thought PVDS drove him and explained why he was late ? Company from Alabama ?
The first PUBLIC info about the change in the story came when the guard was released. And it came from the guard, not via a " sanitizer" "spin-person".
Anita being on the TV speaking in such glowing terms of J-Goon. we had all seen the tickle sites and the many pictures of Joran passed out or having himself a party.
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« Reply #229 on: July 08, 2006, 12:02:48 PM »

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Just for the record.

LOUISE

I never doubted you.  The person who wrote me last summer from Aruba said he was just about sure it was a snuff film that had taken place.  I used to feel sure this was a man because he gave me details so gross that I did not think a woman could think of those things or know those things.  He told me long before it was mentioned in public about a bloody (Baby Huey) shoe in a snuff video.  I never thought a woman could say all those things that he told me and I am just giving the highlights, not the gruesome details of what he told me, and like I said I believed it was a man but after reading at some of dark side sites, I am not at all sure that it was not a woman.


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« Reply #230 on: July 08, 2006, 12:04:00 PM »

.Geraldo Sat night Oct 1

You know Geraldo, he is lying there again.
He is saying he never had sex with her, and yes he did.
In the statements, he specifically states that he had sex with my daughter at his home while she is coming in and out of consciousness.
He also admits the sexual assaults against Natalee as she is coming in and out of consciousness.
That is just simply not true. (that he didn't have sex with her)

Geraldo:
And your reaction is that he has not been charged with rape?

Beth:
I am outraged, I can't imagine that rape is not a crime within Dutch law. It has to be.

Geraldo:
He suggests in this next bite that Natalee was a loose woman, and if Joran didn't step up to the plate, it would have been some other guy at the bar.

Geraldo:
The police statements you have read, he took her back to his home. So, this sex while she is in and out of consciousness happened at his home, not the beach.

Beth:
Yes, Joran gives a statement to the police that he had sex with my daughter at his home.

Geraldo:
Is this a baloney story about the beach?

Beth:
You know Geraldo, I don't know. All we can think is maybe after they had this gang rape against my daughter at his home, then maybe they did leave her at the beach.
We don't know where they last left Natalee.

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« Reply #231 on: July 08, 2006, 12:04:34 PM »

in the cover of darkness people do things that they would not normally do. Only in the light of day did panic and coverup begin.  I believe that PVDS told Joran to get rid of her and only found out the next day what a mess he had made of it and the cover up began.
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« Reply #232 on: July 08, 2006, 12:05:35 PM »

I'm so out of the loop..................
Is Art Wood going to be back on Dana this week-end??? ( I Hope)!

I want him to tell all he knows about the phone call Nat is supposed to have gotten off to Beth. That's the one with the monkey, and she says, "I don't know these people", right? Am I str8 on this? TIA
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« Reply #233 on: July 08, 2006, 12:07:47 PM »

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I'm so out of the loop..................
Is Art Wood going to be back on Dana this week-end??? ( I Hope)!

I want him to tell all he knows about the phone call Nat is supposed to have gotten off to Beth. That's the one with the monkey, and she says, "I don't know these people", right? Am I str8 on this? TIA

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« Reply #234 on: July 08, 2006, 12:08:05 PM »

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Arubagirl. Good to see you.  

Were you the one who said that a neighbor of Deepaks saw his car being washed? If so, what day was it? Was it the night Natalee dis. or the next night? Also if this is the case, who was washing the car? TIA


Arubagirl


It was the same night, the lady only referred to the people washing the car as 'them', so I took it as the brothers.

Getagrip, to me the translation is perfect! And I am really wondering why Diario just doesn't find out just WHO is the actual owner of thecasino.
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« Reply #235 on: July 08, 2006, 12:11:24 PM »

I'm trying hard to catch you guys, but I have a strong feeling that we are dancing on the truth all over the place this morning. The truth is just under us, and the posts are great. We're looking at the right pieces, just have to turn them the right way, and they'll fall into place. Don't forget Freddy..........
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« Reply #236 on: July 08, 2006, 12:14:13 PM »

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OMG..

I actually managed  to find something I was looking for  Shocked
Aruba Suspect Changes Story; Dad Arrested
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160514,00.html


A good find, OF!  If I am reading it correctly, it says that Joran changed his story to dropped her at the beach on Thursday, the same day Paulis was arrested.   Pretty telling!


I'm pretty sure the sequence was:

1) Joran changes his story from HI dropoff to 2K dropped him off at home and drove off with Natalee (think this was on June 10)

2) Then 2K both change their story from HI dropoff to Marriott beach dropoff (this was also around June 10, may have been a day or two later), and they have stuck with that same story ever since

3) Then Joran changes his story to match 2K about Marriott beach dropoff, but later changes it two more times about how he got home from Marriott beach

The fact that 2K both came up with Marriott beach dropoff before Joran is one reason I think it is probably true, they aren't smart enough to have prepared that backup story in advance
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« Reply #237 on: July 08, 2006, 12:14:44 PM »

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Hello monkeys, how is everyone.  Where is Lala's, she needs to write down these people talking about Alabama.


WAR EAGLE.


I will tell her about this blasphemy also. Laughing


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« Reply #238 on: July 08, 2006, 12:15:06 PM »

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Good afternoon, Everybody!

Just got caught up...lots of interesting posts.

Re the one shoe v. two shoes question, here's a blast from the past, August 2, 2005, which mentions two shoes, or a pair:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/02/aruba.missing/index.html

Aruba suspect faces new questions
Behavioral experts to interview van der Sloot over missing teen

Tuesday, August 2, 2005; Posted: 8:08 a.m. EDT (12:08 GMT)

(CNN) -- The only suspect who remains jailed in connection with the disappearance of American teen Natalee Holloway in Aruba faces further questions Tuesday, authorities said.

Dutch behavioral specialists will interview 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot as investigators try to shed new light on the case more than two months after Holloway vanished on the Caribbean resort island off Venezuela.

Defense attorney Antonio Carlo said his client has said all he is going to say and does not know what more he can add.

Carlo said van der Sloot's parents have been visiting their son frequently. Van der Sloot is being held in the youth section of a prison facility, with access to newspapers and television.

"He's holding up," Carlo said.

Van der Sloot, son of an Aruban judge, will be taken to a police station for Tuesday's interview.

Dave Holloway, the missing teenager's father, said the family has had "22 different stories from this guy."

"I just hope that this new team can get to the bottom of it," he told CNN's "Larry King Live."

Holloway, 18, an honors student from suburban Birmingham, Alabama, disappeared May 30 while on a graduation trip with classmates.

She was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and two brothers, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, who were jailed early on but later released.

No one has been formally charged in the teen's disappearance.

Aruban authorities said Monday they were looking for a pair of size 14 tennis shoes that van der Sloot might have had on the night Holloway disappeared.

"He says he might have lost a pair of sneakers on the beach the night Natalee disappeared. That's what he claims in one of his many statements," lead police investigator Roy Tromp said.

Tromp said the suspect described the shoes as white and blue and brand new.

"He claimed he lost them in the area of Fisherman's Hut, but we're looking at other places," Tromp said, referring to a beach area near the Marriott and Holiday Inn hotels. Holloway was staying at the Holiday Inn.

Among the other places searched was a pond drained last week after a witness said he saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers in the area.

Authorities said Saturday they had completed their search of the pond but had found nothing.
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« Reply #239 on: July 08, 2006, 12:15:41 PM »

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How much blood was found in the car?  I didn't know if that was true or not.


Wasn't it someone with the FBI who reported to Beth/Dave that due to the amount of blood in the car they had concluded that Natalee was dead?

Can somebody help me out here?  Y'all know I'm old. Rolling Eyes

I believe you are right BT and you are not old.


 I may be loosing my mind, but, I swear, I thought Oduber confirmed the blood in the car. Anybody?
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