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July 08, 2006, 03:42:06 PM »
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Hey Widget is here - how are those precious little girls?
I'm hoping that Beth and Dave have seen the casino video in its entirety..
Hi Sleuth ..........
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They Are Helping Pick The Early Harvest ..........
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i am surfing a little to help remember when Freddy came into the picture, can one of you guy help bring me up tp date
Well since I confused Koen and Freddy, you can have absolute confidence in my 2 cents.
Melody said that Freddy spent the night with Joran the night Nat went missing. Joran said he had called a friend to go C&Cs, but that he was working. There's speculation it was Freddy that he called. The picture of the 3 boys, Jk2, that is probably the most published.......the one with Joran in the middle, Satish to his right, holding a drink, and Deepak to his left, has been cropped to cut out Freddy. Freddy is to Deepak's left. Freddy's name comes up within seconds in the police van relative to their circumsatnces. Deepak says Freddy must tell the truth. Paulus's arrest is the topic, and Joran states Freddy has told the truth and redirects the subject. Freddy was questioned in regard to internet video porn. Paulus hired a lawyer for him. That's what I know about Freddy.
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Quote from: "Sleuth"
Hey Widget is here - how are those precious little girls?
I'm hoping that Beth and Dave have seen the casino video in its entirety..
Hi Sleuth ..........
There Doing Great ...............School Is On Vacation For Another Week ..
They Are Helping Pick The Early Harvest ..........
Every time I pick up a bag of Starbucks beans I always look if there are Costa Rica beans included and think of you. Are the early harvest beans milder or bolder (is that even a proper comparison?)
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Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Quote from: "Sleuth"
Hey Widget is here - how are those precious little girls?
I'm hoping that Beth and Dave have seen the casino video in its entirety..
Hi Sleuth ..........
There Doing Great ...............School Is On Vacation For Another Week ..
They Are Helping Pick The Early Harvest ..........
Every time I pick up a bag of Starbucks beans I always look if there are Costa Rica beans included and think of you. Are the early harvest beans milder or bolder (is that even a proper comparison?)
First Round Is A Pain In The Butt ...........
You Have To Pick Individually As Not To Disturb The Green Beans ........
We Have A Robust Crop This Year Thanks To The Early Rains .......
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July 08, 2006, 04:01:41 PM »
Widget - you really ought to team up with Red and sell some of those beans in the Monkey store...
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July 08, 2006, 04:01:55 PM »
Deepak said "Freddy better tell the truth"
Joran said "you know very well Freddy has told the truth"
Told the truth about what? and why would Deepak want this truth told?
Was the truth that they where filming a rape for whoever Freddy works for? Now in the USA a smart criminal would not admitt to rape because "he made me do it" but remember who we are dealing with here. They think that by pushing off the entire inccident onto whoever Freddy works for by saying "they wanted the video tape" it exonorates (sp) them.
and maybe it just did exonorate them. Tell the truth Freddy. Tell them who you were working for.
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Hi Spooky - good to see ya.
I'm heading out though - have some project to do before it rains here...
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I'm still a few pages back, but wanted to share my theory of that evening.
THEORY
J2K and Natalee leave CnC's.
Satish is dropped at his home.
Joran, Deepak pick Freddy up. Natalee is not succumbing to the drugs yet, so they take a drive out by the lighthouse. Natalee jumps out of the car (it is going slow b/c of the rough roads and Deepak's low riding suspension). A chase ensues and Natalee falls into the rocks striking her head. There are superficial cuts which bleed profusely, but unknown to them Natalee is bleeding within her skull too. They place Natalee in the backseat, where blood gets on the seat & headliner of the car.
They stop at the pond to wash her blood off. Joran takes off his shoes to wash them, but when they are seen by the gardener, they panic and leave without them.
They carry Natalee into Joran's apt to film the sexual encounter. Deepak is freaking about the blood in his car, so he leaves to go home and clean his car. This leaves just Joran & Freddy. Natalee is passing in & out of consciousness b/c of her head wound, the drugs & alcohol. They both rape her while filming it. While Joran & Freddy are viewing the tape and sending it to Deepak, Natalee makes her phone call(s). Joran catches her in the act, and in anger strikes her, and she falls unconcious. Joran can tell she is hurt very badly and runs for Daddy's help. Paulus takes a wait-n-see attitude b/c he does not want to answer any questions if he takes her for medical help. Unfortunately, the bleeding in her brain from the fall at the rocks causes her death. Later that morning, Joran is dropped off for school (whether driven to the bus stop or all the way to ISA). Paulus also takes Freddy home but tells him to come back in the afternoon when Joran is thru with school.
Paulus deals with Natalee's dispostion, therefore the boys have no idea what happened to her. When Anita comes home, she finds out about it, and Joran is forced to turn over Natalee's underwear that he saved as a souvenir. Or maybe Joran told Paulus that Nat wasn't wearing any, but Anita found them when scouring Joran's room.
This scenario doesn't include Guido as I don't believe he directly participated. He may have been involved after the fact (when he was supposed to be playing tennis with Joran the next day). Perhaps Joran told him what happened, and KJ was trying to force him to talk by implicating him as an accessory to it. Joran confiding in Guido could make Guido very scared, and his family retained Sprong b/c of what Guido knows rather than for him participating in the crime.
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What's the story about Anita and the underwear?
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What about Guido's quad/ATV? It was suggested he had one. They could have borrowed it to move Natalee, and he could have known, or not have known what they needed it for. Just thinking....
I also reread their taped conversation in the police car for the 5th or more time....no divine intervention turning on a light in my brain, sad to say.
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July 08, 2006, 05:31:40 PM »
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What's the story about Anita and the underwear?
Anita described them in one of the interviews...I think with Greta & Beth...I'd have to check to be sure....
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I also rely on 'snopes' to give me info for certain things. Snuff films DO EXIST...it is not a hoax, it is not a lie....sorry, but much to my dismay, I have to say snopes is wrong if they say 'snuff films' are false. Think about it.....how much is out there online w/ porn and crap...nothing is impossible nowadays. Anyway.....I don't think Nats demise went that far...not sure yet how far it went, but I would say NO to that. Maybe someday someone involved will speak the real truth. Other than that, I do not see this case getting solved.
I have read all that snopes stuff before too and I still believe snuff films DO exist. nothing will change my mind. i just think that anything our little minds can think of has happened at some time somewhere. but i dont know if this case has anything to do with snuff. could they have filmed a rape? sure. could she have died on camera? sure. would Freddy have known would he had? sure. could there be a tape out there somewhere? sure. but it's just another theory in the stack. now excuse me while i go throw up
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What's the story about Anita and the underwear?
Anita described them in one of the interviews...I think with Greta & Beth...I'd have to check to be sure....
did she find them in the house?
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What's the story about Anita and the underwear?
Anita described them in one of the interviews...I think with Greta & Beth...I'd have to check to be sure....
did she find them in the house?
errr, now I'm having a brain fart! greta said that anita described the, basically, sex between Natalee and Joran that Joran had told to Anita. But where did we come up with Anita desrcibing her underwear? I just dont remember the origin of this for some reason or it being said on greta.
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FYI - I just missed this:
Big story.. compares JVDS to American terrorist
They had a pic up of an american terrorist, they are looking for... david someoen...didnt get the name.
Julie Banderas says "He looks like joran van der sloot"
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What's the story about Anita and the underwear?
Anita described them in one of the interviews...I think with Greta & Beth...I'd have to check to be sure....
did she find them in the house?
I thought it was mentioned when Beth and Greta had the sit down at the VDS house. I recall that Greta seemed a little perplexed that Anita went into detail about natalee's undergarments.
I honestly don't remember how it came up in the conversation, but I thought Anita was speaking of the underwear , from what Joran had told her.
Could be wrong.
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JMO.....but my guess would be that she found them in the house...I mean seriously I raised 3 boys and I can't imagine them talking to me about a girls underwear. I am pretty open mined and they have told me things I really could have lived without knowing....lol
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Spooky & JuJu, that's why I had the feeble disclaimer that 'I'd have to check to be sure'....I've been searching and have not found it. It could have been a carry over of a post from elsewhere...but I was thinking it was related to AVDS's description of the sexual activity...but it might have been JVDS....too much theory/speculation in a year, and my brain may have more than a fart moment.
If I find it, I'll post it...if someone else doesn't beat me to it.
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Quote from: "JuJu"
What's the story about Anita and the underwear?
Anita described them in one of the interviews...I think with Greta & Beth...I'd have to check to be sure....
did she find them in the house?
I thought it was mentioned when Beth and Greta had the sit down at the VDS house. I recall that Greta seemed a little perplexed that Anita went into detail about natalee's undergarments.
I honestly don't remember how it came up in the conversation, but I thought Anita was speaking of the underwear , from what Joran had told her.
Could be wrong.
Yes Anita went into detail so much so that Greta wanted to crawl under the table. Now if we were to ask Anita questions about that conversation she would say she never said that because if she did say it happened it would be considered a sexual assault against Natalee. According to Joran they only cuddled on the beach
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FYI - I just missed this:
Big story.. compares JVDS to American terrorist
They had a pic up of an american terrorist, they are looking for... david someoen...didnt get the name.
Julie Banderas says "He looks like joran van der sloot"
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