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« on: November 22, 2006, 12:04:50 PM »

Authorities: 1 Of 4 Women Found In Ditch Near Atlantic City Was Strangled
 
An autopsy shows one of the four women found dead in a ditch Monday in New Jersey was strangled. Examinations are pending for the other three.  
   The four were found behind a motel outside Atlantic City Monday, shoeless and face down in several inches of water. The area where they were discovered is known for drug use and prostitution.

Authorities say each body was in a different stage of decay, and the victim who was examined appeared to have been dead for several days.

Officials don't know if the women were killed nearby and dumped in the ditch, but say there's no evidence that they were murdered in surrounding motels.



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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2006, 02:33:53 PM »

Bet they are prostitutes, since no missing women reports in the news, and Pimp Law was being inforced.

Or maybe random murders by a serial killer.

I vote Pimp working a problem.
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2006, 04:10:11 PM »

I have noted a similar factor or two,between a series of killings in the Datona,Fl area,about 1 yr ago.Their have been a series of cluster murders on the I-95 corrider over the last 10 yrs.They come and go,often reappering about 6-12 months apart and about 300-900 miles apart.Just a random thought,from the treetops.Cat
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2006, 07:41:35 PM »

Yes I agree, most likely prostitutes or homeless lost people.

This just strikes such a sad note with to me , especially as the Holiday Season approaches.

4 women dead and their families are probably estranged from them and don't have a clue.

If these 4 women were found in an upscale town it would be all over the papers.

God bless them, and I hope they get the maniac who is doing the killing.
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2006, 10:02:44 PM »

Atlantic City prostitutes fear a killer
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By WAYNE PARRY, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes ago

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. - Prostitutes working in the shadows of Atlantic City‘s glitzy casinos say they are living in fear of a possible serial killer after the bodies of four women were found in a drainage ditch behind a row of seedy motels.

"It scares the hell out of me," said Christine, a prostitute eyeing cars driving by a cheap motel on Pacific Avenue near several casino entrances. "We‘re all talking about it, and I‘m still ready to jump in the first car that comes along. But I got anxiety, bad."

Autopsies found that two of the women found Monday had been slain: one by strangulation with a rope or cord, one by smothering. The others were too badly decomposed to determine a cause of death, prosecutors said.

Bunny, a prostitute and drug dealer who works out of the same Pacific Avenue motel as Christine, said she will no longer accompany clients to motels on the Black Horse Pike, locals‘ name for the seedy stretch of Route 40 in Egg Harbor Township where the bodies were found.

The only woman authorities have been able to identify, 35-year-old Kim Raffo, died from strangulation. Her body had been in the ditch a couple of days, an autopsy showed.

Raffo, raised in Brooklyn, N.Y., came to New Jersey about four years ago after getting into problems with drugs in Florida, said her sister, Maria Santos. Only since she was found dead did Santos learn the former PTA mom was selling her body — but she knew her formerly close sister was in big trouble.

Christine, 37, said she knew Raffo, who she said used to work street corners about a mile from where Christine usually works.

Bill Southrey, president of the Atlantic City Rescue Mission, said Raffo stayed at the mission for one day last year, and two days in January.


Christine said word of the killings has been slow to circulate among her fellow streetwalkers.

Khadijah, 38, said that because of the killings she will only "date" regular clients in a motel she knows. She‘s thinking about reviving her former habit of carrying a knife, and said she will rely on her boyfriend to scout out clients for her, at least until things cool down.

"I‘m only out here on the days I absolutely need to," she said.

How often is that?

"Every day."

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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2006, 11:24:51 PM »

Another victim has been identified.  They are working hard to identify the other two.  Yesterday the newspaper printed the tattoos that were on one of the victims in hopes someone would recognize them.  I tried to find an online photo to post, but failed.  The first tattoo is professionally done and is an adorable bulldog.  It was on the small of her back.  The second tattoo did not look as professional and it was of a playboy bunny.
http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061125/UPDATES01/611250347/1005/NEWS01
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2006, 11:34:08 PM »

Better description of tattoos:
"...She has a red and black tattoo of a bulldog at the small of her back, a tattoo of a Playboy bunny in a heart on her upper right shoulder and a faded tattoo that reads 'Yolly' on her stomach around her navel, Blitz said."
(The Playboy bunny tattoo has a small heart NEXT to the bunny, according to the sketch, not around the bunny.  And according to investigators 'Yolly' could potentially be another name because it is faded...Solly?, Sally?)

Maybe they will get this murderer soon (Not sure how safe I would feel if I was Ms. Brown):
"..."I loved every last one of those girls," said Janette Brown, who claimed Friday before the prosecutor's announcement that she knew all four of the victims. "They were sweet girls but they were just hooked on crack."

Brown says she occasionally helped them get by providing clothing, showers and shelter.

"I think I know exactly who did it but I'm scared to say because he's still out there," she said, holding her hands to her face."
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 08:36:51 AM »

Expert: Jersey killer racked with guilt?
Nov. 25, 2006 at 3:55PM

An expert on ritual murders theorizes the killer of four women found near Atlantic City, N.J., is being plagued by guilt over his actions.
      Dawn Perlmutter, who has worked with police departments on multiple-murder cases across the United States, told WCAU-TV in Philadelphia Saturday that the "arrangement" of the victims' bodies -- shoes removed and heads facing east -- is an indication "he is revering and desecrating the bodies at the same time."
      "I think we have a very conflicted perpetrator who may feel guilty after he has done an act," Perlmutter said.
      Authorities in nearby New Jersey have formed a multi-agency task force to investigate the deaths of the four victims, whose bodies were found face down in a drainage ditch Monday in Egg Harbor Township.
      Two of the slain women were known to have lived and worked in the streets in the area of Atlantic City's casinos, and had records of prostitution arrests.
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 08:48:13 AM »

http://crime.about.com/b/a/257210.htm

Sketches of tatoos in this article....
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2006, 07:24:30 PM »

Thanks Jac.  Interesting article.  And these pictures of the tattoos need to be widely circulated so this poor girl gets identified.
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 08:38:46 PM »

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Thanks Jac.  Interesting article.  And these pictures of the tattoos need to be widely circulated so this poor girl gets identified.


Yes. Someone knows this girl , and the other unidentified one too.

From what I have read they have quite a task force working on this.

I hope they get the killer/killers soon...
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2006, 07:50:35 AM »

Possible 'Person Of Interest' In A.C. Murders
(AP) ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. As authorities identified a third woman Monday whose body was discovered in a ditch behind a string of seedy motels, several prostitutes said detectives have been showing a cell phone photo of a man they described as a “person of interest” in the case.


Barbara V. Breidor, 42, of Ventnor, was the third of four women whose bodies were found face-down in a ditch last week to be identified, according to the Atlantic County Prosecutor’s Office. The cause of her death, like that of a fourth, as yet unidentified woman, was not revealed from an autopsy.

The body of Breidor, who was identified through dental records, had been in the drainage ditch for at least two weeks, authorities said. Like the other two victims who have thus far been identified, she had been involved in prostitution, authorities said.

“She was a known face around here,” said Denise Hill, who described herself as a prostitute. “She was pretty.”

Hill and another admitted prostitute, Zandra Kiesel, said Monday evening that detectives had recently canvassed the beachfront area in the north end of Atlantic City, showing them a cell phone photo of a man they both recognized as a customer.

“They said he’s a person of interest,” Hill said.

She described the man as a white man with a scruffy beard and mustache, sporting “a beer belly” spilling out over blue jeans, wearing a black baseball cap with a gold insignia on it.

“He came off like he was severely hurt by someone,” Kiesel said. “I was with him one time and he started crying and said, ‘You’re the only one who ever held me.’ He was really into being held.”

Hill said the man was “talking crazy talk” and musing about having done bad things in his life, but did not specify what those were.

Janet Niedosik, a spokeswoman for the prosecutor’s office, would neither confirm nor deny the women’s assertions.

“We never discuss the evidence in an ongoing case,” she said.

The four women were found last Monday after police were told about a body discovered by two people who were walking near the Atlantic City border.

The other victims whose identities are known are Kim Raffo, 35, and Tracy Ann Roberts, 23. Raffo was strangled. Roberts, whose last known address was in Atlantic City, died from asphyxia, but authorities do not know exactly how she was killed.

Raffo’s body had been in the ditch for a couple of days; the fourth woman’s body had been there for up to a month.

Certain similarities between the women and the way the bodies were situated have led some to wonder if a serial killer is to blame. Three of the four were blonde. All were barefoot, and their bodies were arranged face-down with their heads pointing east toward the Atlantic City casinos.

The two prostitutes who spoke Monday about the cell phone photo also discounted speculation among some street walkers that the last unidentified victim might be a hooker known on the streets as “Lena,” short for Kathleen.

“It wasn’t her,” said Hill. “Lena took a bus back home to Boston. It’s not her.”

Police said the fourth victim is a white female, approximately 5’0” and weighing 160 pounds. The victim has several identifying tattoos, including a bulldog on the small of her back and a Playboy bunny inside a heart on her upper right shoulder.

If you have any information, contact the police.

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2006, 12:45:56 PM »

A.C. killings echo three earlier casesThree suspected prostitutes were slashed, two fatally. The attacks might be related.

By George Anastasia and Jacqueline L. Urgo
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Previous stories about Shore slayings
ATLANTIC CITY - Earlier this year, three suspected prostitutes were attacked on North Georgia Avenue a few blocks from the city's Boardwalk casino strip.

All three were slashed across the throat. Two died.

Those unsolved crimes have attracted the attention of investigators probing the killings of four suspected prostitutes whose bodies were found last week in a drainage ditch in the West Atlantic City section of Egg Harbor Township.

"Major Crimes, the FBI and the state police have been in," said Atlantic City Police Detective Richard Johnson, a city arson investigator who worked on the Georgia Avenue cases.

Johnson was quick to point out that there was no hard evidence linking the Georgia Avenue slashings to the marsh killings, which some have attributed to a serial killer. Investigators are interested because all of the victims were apparently prostitutes, Johnson said.

Though the victims on Georgia Avenue were slashed, authorities have determined that at least two of the women whose bodies were dumped in the marsh had been strangled. Pathologists could not determine the cause of death of the two other marsh victims because the bodies were too badly decomposed.

Yesterday, as a task force of federal, state and local authorities pressed the hunt for the killer of the women in the marsh, a third victim was identified as 42-year-old Barbara V. Breidor. The fourth victim, whose body had been in the ditch for up to a month, remains unidentified.

Authorities pointed out that all four women in the ditch were white with blond or light hair.

Two of the Georgia Avenue victims, including one who died, fit that description, Johnson said. The other woman who died was African American.

"They're all from the same victimization group," Capt. Jim Hutchins of the Atlantic City police said, referring to the women's background as suspected prostitutes. He said yesterday that linking the two sets of killings would be speculation at this point.

The first Georgia Avenue slaying was on May 3, according to police, who opened an investigation after firefighters responding to a fire in an apartment at 29 N. Georgia Ave. discovered a charred body.

The victim was later identified as Veronica Fields, 45.

"She was badly burned," said Johnson, the arson investigator. "It wasn't until the autopsy that we realized her throat had been slashed.

Authorities believe Fields' killer put her on a bed in her apartment and set the bed on fire.

In July, a suspected prostitute was attacked in a parking lot next to that building, Johnson said. Her throat was slashed, but she survived.

Police would not release the woman's name yesterday.

Two months later, on Oct. 1, police were summoned to an apartment at 26 N. Georgia Ave., where they found Karen Luongo dead in her bathtub. Her throat had been slashed.

Luongo was last seen entering her apartment a few nights earlier with an unidentified man, according to a report in the Atlantic City Press.

Johnson said investigators had been pursuing several angles in that case, including one theory that Luongo was killed because she knew who had killed Fields.

The two apartment buildings are across the street from each other, just a few blocks from the Boardwalk casino strip and the city convention center and train station.

The apartment building at 26 N. Georgia has a notorious history. Twenty-five years ago it was the residence of mob boss Nicodemo "Little Nicky" Scarfo, who is now serving a 55-year prison term for racketeering and murder.

"Back then that was one of the safest blocks in the city," an investigator said.

The Atlantic City Police Department Vice Squad has been providing information to the law enforcement task force investigating the West Atlantic City murders.

The four marsh bodies were discovered Nov. 20 within about 300 feet of one another in a drainage ditch behind a strip of seedy motels along the Black Horse Pike, about a mile outside Atlantic City.

All four were barefoot, lying facedown, with their heads pointed toward Atlantic City.

Breidor last lived on Lafayette Avenue in Ventnor. She was identified through dental records, Atlantic County Prosecutor Jeffrey S. Blitz said.

Earlier, investigators identified two other victims as Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, and Kim Raffo, 35, both of Atlantic City. Both had been strangled.

Breidor was wearing Capri-style jeans and a brown, long-sleeve zippered jacket. Blitz estimated her body had been in the water at least two weeks and authorities could not determine a cause of death.

Breidor, Roberts and Raffo had arrest records for prostitution, Blitz said.

The fourth victim, described as 5 feet tall and weighing about 160 pounds, has not been identified. Authorities believe her body was in the water for up to a month. Investigators hope several identifying tattoos, including a black-and-white bulldog on the small of her back, a crudely designed Playboy bunny on her shoulder, and the name "Yolly" or "Molly" on her stomach, will help them learn her identity.

The three known victims have been described as transient, living in boardinghouses and apartments in Atlantic City's poorer fringes. Fields and Luongo, the Georgia Avenue victims, also skipped from house to house.

"They're easy targets," said Hutchins, a 25-year police veteran. "If they disappear for two weeks, nobody cares. They just figure they're 'cracked out.' "

Hutchins said most prostitutes in Atlantic City - as in other cities - are drug addicts likely to take risks.

"It's an occupational hazard," he said. "But they'll pretty much do anything for a dollar."


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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2006, 08:56:13 AM »

Authorities ID fourth body found near Atlantic City

By WAYNE PARRY
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EGG HARBOR TOWNSHIP, N.J. - Now that authorities know the identities of all four women whose bodies were found face-down in a drainage ditch behind a string of seedy motels last week, the really hard part starts: Trying to determine if their deaths were the work of a serial killer.

The body of a woman whose identity had stymied investigators for more than a week since it was found near three other corpses was identified Tuesday as a 20-year-old from western Pennsylvania.

Molly Jean Dilts was believed to have been in the ditch the longest - up to a month.

Atlantic County Prosecutor Jeffrey Blitz said he could not speculate on whether a serial killer is to blame for the deaths because the cause of death for two of the women has not been established.

"There are similarities in the four deaths," he said. "What we have now is two confirmed homicides and two undetermined causes of death that are being investigated as homicides."

The prosecutor noted that all four women were found face-down in a drainage ditch behind motels along the Black Horse Pike just west of the Atlantic City border. All were barefoot and their heads were facing east toward the Atlantic City casinos.

At least three of the women were known prostitutes, but there was conflicting information as to whether Dilts was involved in prostitution. Lt. Michael Dunford, commander of the Atlantic City Police Department's special investigations unit, said she had not been arrested there and was not known to city police.

But several prostitutes working along Pacific Avenue who were shown a photo of Dilts said Tuesday they had seen the woman, whom who they knew as Molly, soliciting customers on the street. One transvestite prostitute who would not give his name, said, "I dated with her."

Blitz said he could not comment on the prostitutes' claims, and said Dilts' background is still being investigated. She had no known occupation locally, he said.

Joe Boccino, who owns Papa Joe's Restaurant, where many prostitutes buy food, said he saw Dilts a few weeks ago.

"She comes and goes, comes and goes," he said. "She was always very polite with everybody in the neighborhood."

 
Boccino said he saw no evidence she was involved in prostitution.

Dilts had last been in touch with her family in Blairsville, Pa., about 42 miles east of Pittsburgh, on Oct. 7, authorities said. A missing persons report about her had been filed and Dilts' fingerprints were used to learn her identity.

Dilts was charged last year in Pennsylvania for assault and possession of drug paraphernalia, but did not show up for a court hearing in May, according to court records.

An autopsy could not determine her cause of death. She had no known local address, authorities said.

For the past week, authorities had circulated images of Dilts' tattoos in hopes she could be identified. She had a red and black tattoo of a bulldog on the small of her back, a tattoo of a Playboy bunny in a heart on her upper right shoulder and a faded tattoo that read "Molly" on her stomach around her navel above a tiny blue butterfly.

Local tattoo parlors had no record of her being there, and said the Playboy bunny was crudely drawn, leading to speculation that it was done by an amateur.

The other women have been identified as Kim Raffo, 35, Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, and Barbara V. Breidor, 42. Raffo, who had been living in Atlantic City, was strangled. Roberts, whose last known address also was in Atlantic City, died from asphyxia, but authorities do not know exactly how she was killed.

Like Dilts, a cause of death could not be determined for Breidor, who grew up in Pennsylvania and most recently lived in Ventnor.

Raffo's body had been in the ditch for a couple of days. Authorities have said the body now identified as Dilts had been there for up to a month.

Blitz also said the murders of two prostitutes and the slashing of a third earlier this year on the same street in Atlantic City do not appear to be related to the four ditch deaths.

"They are dissimilar to the women found in Egg Harbor," he said. "There were two bodies, one of which was set on fire, that were found in their apartments. The manner of death was with a sharp instrument."


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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2006, 08:56:44 AM »

A name to go with final face from A.C. ditch
Medical examiner unable to tell what killed Pennsylvania 20-year-old
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BY WAYNE WOOLLEY AND MARYANN SPOTO
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A 20-year-old woman from western Pennsylvania was identified yesterday as the last of four women whose bodies were discovered last week in a drainage ditch behind a string of seedy motels in Egg Harbor Township, just outside Atlantic City.

Molly Jean Dilts of Black Lick, Pa., was identified after investiga tors in New Jersey matched fingerprints filed with a missing persons report that her family filed with the Pennsylvania State Police.

Dilts, whose body investigators believe had been lying in the ditch for more than a month, had her first name tattooed on her abdo men and a bulldog tattoo on her lower back.

Atlantic County Prosecutor Jef frey Blitz said autopsies had not determined a cause of death for Dilts or Barbara Breidor, 42, of Ventnor, who was identified Monday.

Two other victims, Tracy Ann Roberts, 23, and Kim Raffo, 35, were identified last week. Atlantic County Medical Examiner Hydow Park determined that Raffo had been strangled and that Roberts died from lack of oxygen, but it was unclear how.

Residents in the neighborhood of Pacific and Ocean avenues in Atlantic City, where Dilts was known on the streets, said she had been seen there for only about two months before her disappearance and appeared to have no place of her own to live.

"She used to find a place wherever she could rest her head," said the owner of Papa Joe's, a local res taurant on nearby Tennessee Ave nue.

A woman answering the phone yesterday afternoon at the Dilts home in Pennsylvania said, "I can't talk to you..." and hung up.

Blitz has said Breidor, Raffo and Roberts had records for prostitution arrests. Dilts had no such ar rest record in New Jersey.

She was charged last year in Pennsylvania for assault and for possession of drug paraphernalia, but did not show up for a court hearing in May, according to court records.
Dilts last spoke with family members in Pennsylvania on Oct. 7, Blitz said. He said Dilts had lived with a boyfriend before coming to New Jersey.

Black Lick is a township in Indiana County, Pa., about 40 miles east of Pittsburgh. Named for a nearby coal-blackened creek, its population was barely 1,300, according to the 2000 U.S. Census.

The four victims, all white, were found Nov. 20 lying face-down between the Atlantic City Expressway and the Black Horse Pike in Egg Harbor Township on Atlantic City's western outskirts. The bodies were spaced at intervals along a 320-foot stretch, arranged in a line with their heads pointing east, toward Atlantic City's casinos. Three of the four were blondes and all were barefoot but otherwise clothed.

Despite similarities in the loca tion where they were found and the arrangement and appearance of the bodies, Blitz has declined to say whether he believes they were victims of a serial killer.

Dilts is believed to have been in the drainage ditch the longest of the four victims.

Roberts, whose last known address in Atlantic City was a room on the beach block of Tennessee Avenue, died from asphyxia by unspecified means. Park, the medical examiner who performed the au topsies on all four women last week, said Roberts was deprived of oxygen, but he was unable to determine how, the prosecutor said.

Raffo, who most recently re sided in a boarding house in the 100 block of Ocean Avenue, died from ligature strangulation. She is believed to have been in the water a couple of days.

Authorities estimated Breidor, who had lived with a friend and the friend's father in a condominium on Lafayette Avenue in Ventnor, was in the water for at least two weeks, Blitz said.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Atlantic County major crime unit at (609) 909-7666. Information also can be called in anonymously to Crime Stoppers at (800) 658-8477. Crime Stoppers offers cash rewards for information leading to the arrest and conviction of those who commit crimes in Atlantic County.



Staff writers Mary Jo Patterson, Rudy Larini and Russell Ben-Ali contributed to this report.
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2006, 08:57:32 AM »

Thanks Jac.  Hope they get him soon.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2006, 08:59:03 AM »

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Thanks Jac.  Hope they get him soon.


Me too.

4 young women, so very sad.
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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2006, 12:37:54 PM »

Investigators Step Up Search For AC Killer

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While many were sleeping, 20 investigators from five agencies converged in the Atlantic City area to try to figure out who killed the four women who were found in a marshy ditch behind a row of Egg Harbor Township motels last week.

Many experts believe a serial killer targeting prostitutes murdered the women, although prosecutors have not publicly said that.

The four victims were identified as Molly Dilts, Kim Raffo, Tracy Ann Roberts and Barbara Breidor. Those who still work the street told NBC 10 they’re scared and working reduced hours in the Atlantic City area.
 

Investigators said Raffo, Roberts and Breidor all had previous arrests for prostitution, and sources told NBC 10 that Dilts sold her body for sex, too, although her family denies the charges.

Friday’s pre-dawn investigators combed Pacific Avenue and some Atlantic City casinos, talking to dozens of people, including other prostitutes.

“The cops [are] everywhere,” Honey, a self-proclaimed prostitute said. “They’ve been showing me pictures, asking me questions -- seeing if I knew the girls or any of their friends.”

The case prompted her to cut down on her street-working hours.

“Every time you come out here, you just take a chance,” Honey said.

Prosecutors will not say if they believe they’re looking for a serial killer.

Many experts, though said the killing resemble the work of one.

John White, a licensed psychologist and associate professor of criminal justice at Stockton College of New Jersey, said many serial killers ID prostitutes as their victims because they're available and vulnerable.

"Very few serial killers will just actually stop,” White added. “They may take a break, but very few actually stop killing.”
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« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2006, 04:40:31 PM »

Still think it's pimp and not a serial killer.

Course I guess you could say a pimp killing his workers like that would be a serial killer.
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« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2006, 05:41:55 PM »

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Still think it's pimp and not a serial killer.

Course I guess you could say a pimp killing his workers like that would be a serial killer.


I don't think it's a pimp.

Pimps make their money off these women, why would he kill 4 of his meal tickets?
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