Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 - 8/26/09

[KarmaRoundUp]

I also want to state that we are all here just giving opinions and WE are not charging or convicting anyone with anything.I'm open minded and believe all opinions should be welcomed,even if it's about Wayne Watne or Josh(who has a felony record).
I don't think anyone here should have the right to put down others here because of their opinions.

[doubledecker]

I also want to state that we are all here just giving opinions and WE are not charging or convicting anyone with anything.I'm open minded and believe all opinions should be welcomed,even if it's about Wayne Watne or Josh(who has a felony record).
I don't think anyone here should have the right to put down others here because of their opinions.

I like to look at every possible theory.  I like to find the reasons why and why not.  I like to try to base what "I" think on something I can show some proof of, but I always have my opinions of "just because I think so", as well. 

I think we all use a lot of our own personal experiences and what "we know" throughout our "own life".  Because we come from all walks of life, we get many different opinions based upon our "own experiences".  What seems extreme to one person might not even register with another.  I can get pretty biased on what I think because of this.  So this is why I try to look at everyone elses theories as well, because the person we are looking for might be more like someone else than they are like me.  So I usually keep my true opinions to myself LOL  And when I don't, you can see why LOL 

but I like to believe I know what criminals think LOL, and this really does bias me.  I try not to let that hinder my research though, because someone else might be right, and I might be very wrong. 

But I still ask a lot of questions so I can try to understand why people think what they do.  It is not even that I am debating, I rarely am; I'm just trying to understand why someone else might think something that I just can't see how it is possible.

[Tamikosmom]

If the fire alarm was pulled … the bell would have started ringing and … the entire school would have been evacuated.

An elementary student setting off a fire alarm would result in a reprimand by school officials and fire authorities but … somehow I do not believe there would legal consequences UNLESS it had happened before.

I contend the class evacuation incident was unrelated to the felony charges that resulted in a guilty plea by Josh.

Think about.  KaraK was uninformed regarding aspects encompassing Josh and the Juvenile Detention System.  Could it be that she was also unaware of the underlying dynamic encompassing the 911 call and the ride home from mlachester’s residence in a police car?

I cannot get past mlacheste claims.  If  I were to obstruct justice by fabricating a story encompassing an incident … I would not involve the small police force of McCleary in that fabrication.  Logic would dictate that my words could be easily disputed.

When all is said and done … this young man certainly had issues that reached beyond the average 12 year old.  This makes me both sad and suspicious.

Monkeys ... felony charges again a 12 year old boy is serious stuff.  How many 12 year olds do you know personally who have been charged with a felony.  I am 62 years of age and ... I do not know one.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1240 on: July 05, 2009, 10:56:04 PM »

I don't know if he ever actually went to juvie.  All I know for sure is he gets picked on a lot (my kids have participated verbally and been in trouble for this as well) by kids trying to get a reaction - spitting, name calling etc. - To my knowledge that is where most of his trouble has been with little fights amongst kids and complaints from them or their parents.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865744#msg865744


mlachester 1 day ago wrote:

... Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

So you are saying I am lying? Okay.
I know my brother was charged with a 3rd degree felony. My brother had never been in any trouble before.

Pink Angel

I think in your heart you comprehend what I am attempting to convey.

I am just stating that I have not known anybody 12 years of age and under who has been charged with a felony.

Janet

[KarmaRoundUp]

I agree with your last post DD.

[pink angel]

Rob,

So nice to see you!

I agree with posts 100 percent. Well said.

[Tracygirl]

Good posts Rob and DD. Are there any leading suspects? 

[JessStar]

Rob, excellent post.   You hit the nail on head with Josh. 

As an aside, I caught this from the article from The Daily World:

Baum said she and her 12-year-old son, Josh, will sit down at night to watch a movie and feel overwhelmed by Lindsey’s absence.

During the first two weeks, she almost never left home for fear she would miss a phone call. She now tries to stay busy throughout the day by posting fliers, often replacing old black-and-white versions with color posters. She talks to investigators and tries to make sure Josh has things to keep his mind occupied.

“He’s having a difficult time,” Baum said. “He’s angry. He misses his sister a lot. He’s wanting to go out and find whoever has her."

Now, I suppose we can surmise that MB is covering for him.  But how unlikely is that. . .  JMO


http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt

[Tamikosmom]

Are the following contradictary quotes words of a distraught mother who does not have a clue or ... do those words imply some kind of knowledge in regards to her precious daughter?

Janet

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MELISSA BAUM - THEN

FOX News – July 1, 2009-08-02

Melissa Baum said she thinks her little girl Lindsey, who vanished Friday night, was snatched and is no longer in their hometown.

"I don’t think she’s in McCleary. I don’t," Baum told The Daily World of Aberdeen, Wash. "Why would they keep her in McCleary? Whoever took her went on the freeway. There are three ways to get out of McCleary and all three ways there are freeways within five or 10 minutes."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5296...latestnews


MELISSA BAUM - NOW

Daily World – August 2, 2009-08-02

From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt

[doubledecker]

Good posts Rob and DD. Are there any leading suspects? 

I tracygirl, glad to see you.  There are some threads we started for different people.  Seems as always, there are so many possibles and everyone has different opinions who is the most suspect. 

As for the police, I truly believe they THINK something, but they are not saying.  I have changed my mind a few times about what I thought since the beginning, only because I dig up more stuff and someone else starts not looking so suspicious and some other person pops on the scene and I find something which makes me think they are more suspicious. 

there are so many sex offenders in the area, of course they are always suspect.  And you know how the family and close friends always manage to get on the radar at the beginning of every case.  Then there were some local Satanists who got on my radar.  Then the church person hanging out with Josh got on people's radar.  Of course there comes a time you suspect the cops when they can't find anyone to arrest LOL 

so, yes there are a lot of people who are suspect.  I've zero'd in on a few of my own, as has everyone on the board, but can we all narrow it down and say wow at someone.. not yet.  LOL 

you might as well read the threads and jump in here with your own opinion.  Maybe you will see something we missed.  I hope so LOL

[doubledecker]

Are the following contradictary quotes words of a distraught mother who does not have a clue or ... do those words imply some kind of knowledge in regards to her precious daughter?

Janet

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MELISSA BAUM - THEN

FOX News – July 1, 2009-08-02

Melissa Baum said she thinks her little girl Lindsey, who vanished Friday night, was snatched and is no longer in their hometown.

"I don’t think she’s in McCleary. I don’t," Baum told The Daily World of Aberdeen, Wash. "Why would they keep her in McCleary? Whoever took her went on the freeway. There are three ways to get out of McCleary and all three ways there are freeways within five or 10 minutes."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5296...latestnews


MELISSA BAUM - NOW

Daily World – August 2, 2009-08-02

From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt

I believe Melissa Baum would be much like the rest of us, we start out with one thought at the beginning and as we find out more that is going on, we can change out mind about what we initially thought.  She has to know a lot more now than she did in the beginning.  I know a lot more now and I am not even living there, nor do I have the police telling me things they are probably telling her.  So my guess is, the more she hears the more she might change her mind. 

[doubledecker]

okay I found out a couple of things. 

one -
The man seen walking into the PD with Melissa Baum, is her younger brother. He's been "cleared" and came to escort her through the waves of media that was there at that time. 

[Rob]

Thanks Traceygirl, Jess and Pink Angel.

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As far as I know there are no suspects. I have not seen anything that leads anyone where. Maybe I'm wrong and missed something, but there is nothing in the public domain that leads me to think they (the police) have a theory (other than abducted) or POI under the radar.

Here would be a list of possibilities...just some thoughts.

1. Sex offender, with multiple crimes under his belt - never been caught.
2. Repeat sex offender - previously incarcerated. Registered SO.
3. Sex offender committing his first crime. And unknown to police.
4. Unknown perp, and crime not committed for sexual assault.
5. Completely unknown perp such as Melissa Huckaby.

Just some ideas ...

[doubledecker]

I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

[pink angel]

I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

Exactly. I don't doubt he was in trouble but I think "juvie" was talked about or threatened by someone as possible punishment and Lindsey in her 10 year old mind thought it was a real possibility at the next days court date or she wished it would happen.

[Tamikosmom]

Are the following contradictary quotes words of a distraught mother who does not have a clue or ... do those words imply some kind of knowledge in regards to her precious daughter?

Janet

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MELISSA BAUM - THEN

FOX News – July 1, 2009-08-02

Melissa Baum said she thinks her little girl Lindsey, who vanished Friday night, was snatched and is no longer in their hometown.

"I don’t think she’s in McCleary. I don’t," Baum told The Daily World of Aberdeen, Wash. "Why would they keep her in McCleary? Whoever took her went on the freeway. There are three ways to get out of McCleary and all three ways there are freeways within five or 10 minutes."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5296...latestnews


MELISSA BAUM - NOW

Daily World – August 2, 2009-08-02

From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt

I believe Melissa Baum would be much like the rest of us, we start out with one thought at the beginning and as we find out more that is going on, we can change out mind about what we initially thought.  She has to know a lot more now than she did in the beginning.  I know a lot more now and I am not even living there, nor do I have the police telling me things they are probably telling her.  So my guess is, the more she hears the more she might change her mind. 

DD

What do think Melissa Baum could have learned since July 1, 2009 that would change her thoughts concerning the whereabouts of her daughte?  To go from "out of the area" to "right under my nose" is quite a flip flop.

At this point in time ... I will give Melissa the benefit of my doubts that in her disperation ... she does not know what to think.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

dd

Are you say that you know for sure that John Baum never pleaded guilty to a felony in Juvenile Court or ... are you implying the charges were unrelated to Lindsey or school.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Above post.

John s/b Josh

Thanks

Janet

[Tracygirl]

I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

Yep, knew it! If you live with a person with autism, you can call it at least 2000 miles away over a computer.

[Tracygirl]

Has Kara's brother ever been looked at? Can't recall his name right now, he was on my radar in the beginning because of the myspace connection. It seemed to me Lindsey was displaying some of the introspective thoughts as he was. Also, the ex sister in law, michelle. Anything on them?

[Tamikosmom]

I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

Exactly. I don't doubt he was in trouble but I think "juvie" was talked about or threatened by someone as possible punishment and Lindsey in her 10 year old mind thought it was a real possibility at the next days court date or she wished it would happen.

Pink Angel

Think about it.  What were the underlying dynamics in the sibling relationship that would cause Lindsey to articulate happiness at the prospect of her brother being removed from the home?  In my world ... this mindset goes way beyond sibling rivalry.

Janet

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LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045