Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 - 8/26/09

[doubledecker]

Are the following contradictary quotes words of a distraught mother who does not have a clue or ... do those words imply some kind of knowledge in regards to her precious daughter?

Janet

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MELISSA BAUM - THEN

FOX News – July 1, 2009-08-02

Melissa Baum said she thinks her little girl Lindsey, who vanished Friday night, was snatched and is no longer in their hometown.

"I don’t think she’s in McCleary. I don’t," Baum told The Daily World of Aberdeen, Wash. "Why would they keep her in McCleary? Whoever took her went on the freeway. There are three ways to get out of McCleary and all three ways there are freeways within five or 10 minutes."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5296...latestnews


MELISSA BAUM - NOW

Daily World – August 2, 2009-08-02

From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt

I believe Melissa Baum would be much like the rest of us, we start out with one thought at the beginning and as we find out more that is going on, we can change out mind about what we initially thought.  She has to know a lot more now than she did in the beginning.  I know a lot more now and I am not even living there, nor do I have the police telling me things they are probably telling her.  So my guess is, the more she hears the more she might change her mind. 

DD

What do think Melissa Baum could have learned since July 1, 2009 that would change her thoughts concerning the whereabouts of her daughte?  To go from "out of the area" to "right under my nose" is quite a flip flop.

At this point in time ... I will give Melissa the benefit of my doubts that in her disperation ... she does not know what to think.

Janet

I have no idea.  it's also possible "right under my nose" means something that she thinks to be where she is, as in right where she thinks or has thought about, rather than a physical location. 

[doubledecker]

I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

dd

Are you say that you know for sure that John Baum never pleaded guilty to a felony in Juvenile Court or ... are you implying the charges were unrelated to Lindsey or school.

Janet

I am not implying anything. what I just said was word for word exactly what I was told.  To tell you the truth I don't have the time to really think about all this because personally I am onto something else that has nothing whatsoever to do with Josh.  But if I can post something I have been told to help others, then I post it. 

I personally am not going to sit here and research josh baum.  I have to work on something else right now that I personally feel is something I need to do to help with something about this case. It involves something totally different, so sorry, I just don't have the time to discuss Josh Baum.  I personally believe he had nothing whatsoever to do with lindsey's disappearance and I am looking at something which I believe might very well have something to do with her and so I have to concentrate on that right now. 

[Fanny Mae]

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[doubledecker]

I am going to go out on a limb here.  I will say this then I don't have time for the josh baum theory. 

I have asked for the info jessstar needs to look up the public record for josh.  Someone was going to ask for that info yesterday.  that would settle all of this.  I have not heard back from that person yet, but as soon as I do I will know whether or not that person is willing to give us the info so jessstar can look for that record.  I explained that this would end all this back and forth yes there was a 911 report and no there was not.  At this point I am not choosing sides as to who to believe, although I feel if a person can settle this they should so we can get on to whatever it is we are doing.

if this person can prove this report exists, then we will know.  If they choose not to help prove this, then why should I believe anything they say?  we have a couple of people who obviously had some kind of disagreement along the line somewhere and one says this and the other says that.  I can't say oh I believe one because they say so.  if one of them can PROVE they are the one telling the truth and that the other is lying, they the one who has the means to PROVE it should.  So if they choose not to do so, I am not believing them. 

if they are so outspoken with the truth, then they should give up that info.  If not, then I guess they are really that concerned about the truth, rather all they want to do is bash lindsey's family.  that is my personal opinion.

actually to tell you the truth I need off of here for a bit because I am getting aggrivated at this whole josh baum thing. 

if anyone needs me, you can find me at my profile. 

[Rob]

I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

dd

Are you say that you know for sure that John Baum never pleaded guilty to a felony in Juvenile Court or ... are you implying the charges were unrelated to Lindsey or school.

Janet

I am not implying anything. what I just said was word for word exactly what I was told.  To tell you the truth I don't have the time to really think about all this because personally I am onto something else that has nothing whatsoever to do with Josh.  But if I can post something I have been told to help others, then I post it. 

I personally am not going to sit here and research josh baum.  I have to work on something else right now that I personally feel is something I need to do to help with something about this case. It involves something totally different, so sorry, I just don't have the time to discuss Josh Baum.  I personally believe he had nothing whatsoever to do with lindsey's disappearance and I am looking at something which I believe might very well have something to do with her and so I have to concentrate on that right now. 

I'll be interested to see what it is, when you can share.

[pink angel]

I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

Exactly. I don't doubt he was in trouble but I think "juvie" was talked about or threatened by someone as possible punishment and Lindsey in her 10 year old mind thought it was a real possibility at the next days court date or she wished it would happen.

Pink Angel

Think about it.  What were the underlying dynamics in the sibling relationship that would cause Lindsey to articulate happiness at the prospect of her brother being removed from the home?  In my world ... this mindset goes way beyond sibling rivalry.

Janet

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LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045

Most of the time my older brother and me got along but we had our days when we were young where we fought like cats and dogs. It doesn't mean we didn't love each other, because we did and we would have done anything for each other.


When we fought though...my poor parents were referees in our ongoing quest for supremacy over each other. I loved pushing his buttons and he loved pushing mine.

I remember tattling on him all the time just to try and get him in trouble. He would do the same to me. Me being the girl and being smaller, he got in trouble way more than I did. I used to relish him getting in trouble.

I used to write in my diary about how happy I was that John got grounded today because of such and such. I wish he would just run away from home. Often, I wasn't so tame in what I write. I didn't really want anything bad to happen to him deep down but I was 10. Kids say and do mean things to each other.

I see Lindsey's myspace words being no more than writing in a diary. She could have had a fight or a disagreement that day with her brother, was thinking of the court case that was happening that next day and wrote in her diary "I am happy that my brother is going to juvie tomorrow."



That's my opinion.

[Lovinlife]

I'm going to ask a stupid question, because I'm confused and you all probably know and can answer in a flash. 

Re: Lindsey's last confirmed sighting

Is the last confirmed sighting of Lindsey on Maple & Fifth Street?

TIA, Lovinlife

[KarmaRoundUp]

okay I found out a couple of things. 

one -
The man seen walking into the PD with Melissa Baum, is her younger brother. He's been "cleared" and came to escort her through the waves of media that was there at that time. 

Thanks DD
I just wondered who he was,wasn't persecuting anyone.

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you pink angel.

I stand by my position.

In the course of the investigation ... in the process of elimination ...

1.  I believe that all resident from 15th on Maple to the Baum residence should be considered persons of interest and questioned as well as the respective properties throughly searched.

2.  Considering the heated argument between Josh and Lindsey that dictated intervention  combined with other revealed dynamics encompassing the sibling relationship ... I believe Josh should be considered a person of interest.   

3.  Considering Wayne Watness connection to both Josh and Lindsey and ... the relation between his residence and the Baum residence ... I believe that this man should be a person of interest.

Janet

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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009

A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
 
Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html

[Tracygirl]

Janet not to be disrespectful or anything, but do you have siblings you grew up with?  Most people with siblings will tell you there are times you fight, it is natural. I take Lindseys words as being more teasing then anything else.

I was reading on the Adam Cambell thread. Interesting....

[Tamikosmom]

I'm going to ask a stupid question, because I'm confused and you all probably know and can answer in a flash. 

Re: Lindsey's last confirmed sighting

Is the last confirmed sighting of Lindsey on Maple & Fifth Street?

TIA, Lovinlife

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403

[Rob]

Thank you pink angel.

I stand by my position.

In the course of the investigation ... in the process of elimination ...

1.  I believe that all resident from 15th on Maple to the Baum residence should be considered persons of interest and questioned as well as the respective properties throughly searched.

2.  Considering the heated argument between Josh and Lindsey that dictated intervention  combined with other revealed dynamics encompassing the sibling relationship ... I believe Josh should be considered a person of interest.   

3.  Considering Wayne Watness connection to both Josh and Lindsey and ... the relation between his residence and the Baum residence ... I believe that this man should be a person of interest.

Janet

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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009

A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
 
Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html

1.  I believe that all resident from 15th on Maple to the Baum residence should be considered persons of interest and questioned as well as the respective properties throughly searched.

Janet, you know that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights prevent undue search and seizure. The residence MAY voluntarily submit, but no one can force anything on anyone without a search warrant signed by a judge based on compelling evidence.

2.  Considering the heated argument between Josh and Lindsey that dictated intervention  combined with other revealed dynamics encompassing the sibling relationship ... I believe Josh should be considered a person of interest.   

most here have brothers and sisters and did have fights and disagreements with them. I'm sure what constitutes a 'heated argument' between a 10 year old and a 12 year old? Certainly wouldn't rise to the level of never speaking again. These are a 10 year old and a 12 year old. I'm sure they loved each other. And Melissa is on the record saying that she is observing Josh's pain. 

3.  Considering Wayne Watness connection to both Josh and Lindsey and ... the relation between his residence and the Baum residence ... I believe that this man should be a person of interest.

I realize that there have been some high profile cases involving church members, but that alone should not skew our view of the majority of people involved in the church or give us a reason to look at them for that reason alone. In order to be a POI, there needs to be a real reason such as he was the last person seen with the missing person. Simply living in the neighborhood is not enough.

BTW - glad you are having a great summer and going to D-Land with the family and kids  You'll have a great time!!

[Lovinlife]

Thanks Janet.   

[JessStar]

I'm on mobile so I can't quote, but regarding MB's alleged inconsistent statements, I don't see them as inconsistent. I think she was speaking metaphorically, like words being stuck on the tip of your tongue. She was speaking about how she feels, not about where her daughter might be physically located. She feels like her daughter is standing right in front of her,yet she can't see her. It's symbolic of her frustration and pain over this.  I don't know if I am articulating this right because I've had a stressful day today-I hope I'm making sense.

[Sister]

Tracygirl, Rob, Pink, DD, and others,
Ditto!!
Think about it!!!!! hmmmm a totally new concept!

[Tamikosmom]

Janet not to be disrespectful or anything, but do you have siblings you grew up with?  Most people with siblings will tell you there are times you fight, it is natural. I take Lindseys words as being more teasing then anything else.

I was reading on the Adam Cambell thread. Interesting....

I have two younger brothers ... my daughter has four children between the ages of 6 and 11.  Tracygirl ... I know all about sibling rivalry but ... what has been revealed about the dynamics in Lindsey and Josh's relationship goes way beyond what I would consider typical.

IMO

Janet

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mlachester 1 day ago wrote:

... And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045

[Tamikosmom]

Rob ... in the process of elimination ... I cannot comprehend why ANYBODY would not cooperate with authorities in regards to questioning and searching of property when it is considered a little girl is missing.

If I lived in McCleary and ... the authorities arrived at my door and requested to search my residence and property.  I would step aside and ... instruct them to go for it!

I do not believe for a second if those residence and properties between 5th on Maple and the Baum residence have not been search ... it is because residents would not give permission.

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

I am done!

[Sister]

Janet, do you know which people refused to cooperate? what is your source? and not merely someone who obviously has a grudge against MB.

[Tracygirl]

Janet,
Please explain your theory.