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Author Topic: Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 - 8/26/09  (Read 401985 times)
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« Reply #580 on: August 02, 2009, 08:11:07 PM »

For what it's worth:  I just got off the phone with a special weapons and tactics law enforcement officer with 15 years experience and he trains others in his field.   He said one of the first things that would be done in an investigation in a missing person's case like Lindsey's would be to rule out those closest to the victim.  They would be looked at first and looked at closely.  That makes sense to me. 

It makes sense to me too. But it appears that the most rudimentary things have not been done in Lindsay's case, as evidenced by the search by cadaver dogs in open areas and knocking on doors talking to people they have not been able to contact before over a month later. This ain't exactly a huge city. It's a little town in the middle of a forest, and way too laid back to have a child missing in their midst. JMO


quite common to re-examine the areas over again as bodies have been moved to previously searched areas. It's happened more than we can count.
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« Reply #581 on: August 02, 2009, 08:11:41 PM »

Sorry about this.....If she is dead and was placed in a crawl space wouldn't there be a smell? I had a cat die under a house and my god you could smell it down the street.

Did anyone ever complain about the smell of MULTIPLE bodies buried in the crawl space of John Wayne Gayce's house in Chicago?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/gacy/8b.html

some neighbors smelled a bad ordor -- but he was famous for giving parties, including bbqs -- police crawled under the house and thought the smell was sewage, etc.
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« Reply #582 on: August 02, 2009, 08:11:51 PM »

Muffybee that is what I would think.

Janet unless you can call the mom not sure if you can find out the detail what you are looking for in order to look at some other place.

Why do you believe the brother has not been ruled out? has there been a statement from LE stating they do not want too look at Josh? I am just trying to follow your thinking is all, not trying to be argumentative.

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The following statement by Sheriff Scott within four days of Lindsey's disappearance implies he considers the argument between Lindsey and Josh ... the argument that warranted intervention ... as insignificant.  I may have agree to a point if it were not for all the combined allegations that encompass the dynamics of Josh and Lindsey's relationship.

When all is said and done ... I do not know to what extent Josh Baum has been investigated any more than the potential "persons of interest" that DD and others are researching.  We are all armchair detectives working with what is out there ... not just pulling speculations out of thin air.  However ... much more info is required if the dots are going to be connected.

The truth will be revealed!  In the meantime "respectfully" agreeing to disagree with each other when there is a difference of opinion is where it is at.

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Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html
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« Reply #583 on: August 02, 2009, 08:14:16 PM »

I'm not sure when cadaver dogs were first brought in. But they were brought in. They would be capable of detecting decomp as long as it was present, which is for months after decomp begins. They can even detect decomp under water.
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« Reply #584 on: August 02, 2009, 08:15:40 PM »

Island, sorry for the confusion.  I was quoting someone else's repeated statement and I should have actually quoted them.  I enjoy your posts.  Again, sorry for the confusion.

Gracious, I meant to say KarmaR, sorry for the confusion.  Time for bed!
 
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« Reply #585 on: August 02, 2009, 08:16:41 PM »

For what it's worth:  I just got off the phone with a special weapons and tactics law enforcement officer with 15 years experience and he trains others in his field.   He said one of the first things that would be done in an investigation in a missing person's case like Lindsey's would be to rule out those closest to the victim.  They would be looked at first and looked at closely.  That makes sense to me. 

It makes sense to me too. But it appears that the most rudimentary things have not been done in Lindsay's case, as evidenced by the search by cadaver dogs in open areas and knocking on doors talking to people they have not been able to contact before over a month later. This ain't exactly a huge city. It's a little town in the middle of a forest, and way too laid back to have a child missing in their midst. JMO


quite common to re-examine the areas over again as bodies have been moved to previously searched areas. It's happened more than we can count.

Why did they wait a month to go back and talk to people they had not been able to contact when Lindsay came up missing?? And, have they checked the INSIDE of the houses along Lindsay's route home? Do we know that?
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« Reply #586 on: August 02, 2009, 08:18:07 PM »

I'm not sure when cadaver dogs were first brought in. But they were brought in. They would be capable of detecting decomp as long as it was present, which is for months after decomp begins. They can even detect decomp under water.

I can tell you that the first I heard of Cadaver dogs was last week, and they were looking in open fields, from the reports I have heard.
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« Reply #587 on: August 02, 2009, 08:20:28 PM »

Janet I will agree to disagree but I do believe I was asking for more information on your theory, not necessarily disagreeing with you.

Here is a site that tells about decomposition. It is disgusting to read and there are pics of little piglets.  so be warned

http://www.7oaks.org/site/hcaverycomputerlab/file/Grade%207%20Science/Stages_of_DecompositionPiglet.pdf
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« Reply #588 on: August 02, 2009, 08:24:24 PM »

Janet I will agree to disagree but I do believe I was asking for more information on your theory, not necessarily disagreeing with you.

Here is a site that tells about decomposition. It is disgusting to read and there are pics of little piglets.  so be warned

http://www.7oaks.org/site/hcaverycomputerlab/file/Grade%207%20Science/Stages_of_DecompositionPiglet.pdf

TracyGirl, bodies are not alway lying out in the open. There are many ways to conceal them. I bumped a post of mine earlier. It comes not only from reading, but also from previous experience.
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« Reply #589 on: August 02, 2009, 08:24:52 PM »

For what it's worth:  I just got off the phone with a special weapons and tactics law enforcement officer with 15 years experience and he trains others in his field.   He said one of the first things that would be done in an investigation in a missing person's case like Lindsey's would be to rule out those closest to the victim.  They would be looked at first and looked at closely.  That makes sense to me. 

Can I add, I see a bunch of posters wanting every home searched, but the 4th amendment to the US Constitution prevents that while guarding citizens rights to and guards against unreasonable searches and seizures.  They can't just enter all the homes without just cause.
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« Reply #590 on: August 02, 2009, 08:27:30 PM »

Janet I will agree to disagree but I do believe I was asking for more information on your theory, not necessarily disagreeing with you.

Here is a site that tells about decomposition. It is disgusting to read and there are pics of little piglets.  so be warned

http://www.7oaks.org/site/hcaverycomputerlab/file/Grade%207%20Science/Stages_of_DecompositionPiglet.pdf

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I bumped three posts in the past couple of pages of this thread that explain what I believe may have happened as it pertains to Josh Baum.

You theories would be appreciated.

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« Reply #591 on: August 02, 2009, 08:30:12 PM »

For what it's worth:  I just got off the phone with a special weapons and tactics law enforcement officer with 15 years experience and he trains others in his field.   He said one of the first things that would be done in an investigation in a missing person's case like Lindsey's would be to rule out those closest to the victim.  They would be looked at first and looked at closely.  That makes sense to me. 

Can I add, I see a bunch of posters wanting every home searched, but the 4th amendment to the US Constitution prevents that while guarding citizens rights to and guards against unreasonable searches and seizures.  They can't just enter all the homes without just cause.
Very, very true, I think also that even though a child is missing some people may be worried that LE might stumble onto somethings in their home which are questionable at best, and are afraid to allow LE into their home.
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« Reply #592 on: August 02, 2009, 08:30:30 PM »

Tracygirl, Rob, Pink, DD, and others,
Ditto!!
Think about it!!!!! hmmmm a totally new concept!

 
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« Reply #593 on: August 02, 2009, 08:32:47 PM »

Can I ask why we are discussing the decomp issue?  Is there a suggestion that JB was possibly capable of concealing a body in such a manner that it would be undetectable? Such as the way Gacy or Dahmer did?
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« Reply #594 on: August 02, 2009, 08:36:24 PM »

i thank goodness everyday that there are folks (such as Scared Monkeys) that care about these situations.  These Children..the reason that we are here...  To figure out what is right and wrong..to help those in need, and to promote justice to victims...Everyone here has a voice and every voice needs to be heard....we are here for Lindsey...may every crook or craney be searched...that is what needs to be done...
please can we quit fighting..we are here for Lindsey...that is the focus...and that is why everyone is so heated...many have opinions and that is GOOD... We are here for Lindsey and that is.  We will all have different ideas and that is ok!  until we have some real info that is all we have. an angelic monkey
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Can I ask why we are discussing the decomp issue?  Is there a suggestion that JB was possibly capable of concealing a body in such a manner that it would be undetectable? Such as the way Gacy or Dahmer did?
I can't speak for anyone else, I was just talking about the sewer system being flushed and about the odor that would be caused by that.
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« Reply #596 on: August 02, 2009, 08:37:55 PM »

For what it's worth:  I just got off the phone with a special weapons and tactics law enforcement officer with 15 years experience and he trains others in his field.   He said one of the first things that would be done in an investigation in a missing person's case like Lindsey's would be to rule out those closest to the victim.  They would be looked at first and looked at closely.  That makes sense to me. 

Can I add, I see a bunch of posters wanting every home searched, but the 4th amendment to the US Constitution prevents that while guarding citizens rights to and guards against unreasonable searches and seizures.  They can't just enter all the homes without just cause.

Well shoot. Let's just quit looking for Lindsay. Let's go back to looking up every SO from McCleary to Timbuctu!

You start at where the missing child was LAST SEEN, and you work out in circles. The inner circle HAS NOT been thoroughly searched yet IMO. It is only common sense. Refusing to let the LE look inside would raise red flags in almost every state and jurisdiction, and would cause most LE to take a closer look at why not. I have seen no evidence that the LE has even done that at all. This is just my opinion.
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« Reply #597 on: August 02, 2009, 08:40:10 PM »

IMO I think valuable time was lost, thinking perhaps she was a runaway.
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« Reply #598 on: August 02, 2009, 08:44:25 PM »

Fannie Mae- you have identified the issue that is at the heart of the 4th amendment's protection against unreasonable searches and seizures. Our Supreme Court has held that refusal to allow a search cannot be used alone as evidence to support a search warrant. There must be something more- something that raises the probability that a search will uncover evidence of a crime. I agree- it can raise a red flag. But fortunately or unfortunately, that's the law.
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« Reply #599 on: August 02, 2009, 08:44:28 PM »

Sorry about this.....If she is dead and was placed in a crawl space wouldn't there be a smell? I had a cat die under a house and my god you could smell it down the street.

Did anyone ever complain about the smell of MULTIPLE bodies buried in the crawl space of John Wayne Gayce's house in Chicago?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/gacy/8b.html

some neighbors smelled a bad ordor -- but he was famous for giving parties, including bbqs -- police crawled under the house and thought the smell was sewage, etc.





At one time during his dark days as a serial killer, Gacy was married. His wife and her child or children ( can't remember if the woman had more than one child) complained about the bad smell in the house. People did notice the smell, but he was able to explain it away. Apparently, no one ever thought about the possibility of bodies buried underneath the house until later.  He used lime to try and control the odor, but with that many burial sites, it was not enough to cover up the smell of decomposition.

In this informed day and age, I'd hope that people would be more suspicious of a terrible, persistent odor, and missing youngsters, than they were in John Wayne Gacy's time.....
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