A couple of corrections - I was typing too fast last night as it was playing live. I've filled in some of the blanks in blue...
C-Band Talk Network (Dana Pretzer)Art Wood Part 2 Of Our Discussion On the Holloway case.
http://bruinfan.sasktelwebsite.net/ Saturday, July 8, 2006
PRE-SHOW Questions from Callers:Caller #1- Where comment that blood in K2 vehicle came from - what is the proof?
Caller #2- Ask about ATM redrawals that Paulus supposedly made?
Caller #3- When Jossy was on, he commented about a 7 year old boy at painted rocks area - did not add up as painting was a year ago - ask Art about the painted rock.
Caller #4- You are doing a great job, we appreciate what you are doing.
Caller #5- There was the letter asking that KJ and Dompig be replaced - what is the follow-up. (Dana will ask Art's thoughts about Dompig leaving the police force).
Caller #6- Plastic bag in video #24 - does he know if it was retrieved and what the contencts were.
Caller #7- Asked abouth the 8 1/2 minute phone call between Joran and Deepak - could have that been a video transmission.
Interview:Dana: Asked about comments on Dompigs' departure
Art: Current chief is retiring, there is bitter feelings, some have let him down. When Art was there to interview Carlos, there was word that Dompig was going to be fired. So unknown if it is actually retirement or if he was fired.
Dana: Analyists with experience are flabergasted with lack of professionalism, etc. in investigation.
Art: They have some fine police officers there, but thinks was sabatagoged from within, was done on purpose. Look to who is remaining on the case to figure it out.
Dana: is this a case where a fresh group of investigators could get some answers.
Art: Evidence distroyed or misplaced or
no longer can be obtained for the case . Under Aruban law, you can't
even talk to
them, new LE could not re-interview
without the prosecutor and judges agreeing. If FBI could interview they could bring out
a different resolve. Once Aruba closes this case I believe the FBI
has jurisdiction and can investigate. At least 5 involved in this case, it just takes one to talk.
Dana: When can FBI come in and investigate?
Art: US has treaty with all kinds of countries, share information. Once case is closed, the FBI can conduct an investigation if there is a violation of the civil rights . Treaty requires that you share the evidence and allow access to the witnesses. It would require the state department and attorney general to be condusive to
require the FBI to conduct this
investigation.
Dana: How difficult would it be for a
fulltime private investigator like yourself or whoever to go there
and work on this case in Aruba and fulltime and take the evidence to the police department that is needed for an arrest and convictionArt: Believes they have the right suspects, they were the last to be seen with Natalee. Follow the lies and solve the crime.
A private investigator doesn't have access to the evidence. What the Aruban authorities have is not going to be shared with a private investigator, I can tell you that. You can
do this work from the internet as easily as in Aruba - it is all right there - the statements, etc. are all right there
- the statements of these kids, the statements of witnesses . Would really like the FBI to take a look at the case. Knows an FBI agent that threw his hands up at the interviews of
one of these suspects
by the lead investigator in this case, and that should tell you a lot .
Dana: What about the ATM witdrawal.
Art: There is absolutely no way to know if Paulus made a withdrawal or not. On May 30, Paulus told Beth, Jug and friends (at least 5 people) that he picked up Joran at 4 am - Beth has this written in her diary. When his statement was transcribed it comes back as 10 pm the night of the 29th. Paulus's statement has always been that he and Joran went to poker tournament. He was losing
at about 8 pm, turned his hand to Joran and went home. Joran called
between 9:30 and 10:00 and Paulus picked up at McDonalds. Beth has recorded all people, phone numbers, everything about the case. All (Beth, Jug, friends hear 4 am). Also at blackjack there is a player that looks like Paulus - that is totally contrary to every statement he has given. If it is him that is the first big lie that we know he has told.
Dana: As lying by a witness is considered an obstruction, why didn't this dictate charges agains Joran and K2?
Art: It should have dictated charges - they lied and there is no reason to fabricate the lie unless they know what happened.
Evidence involves the lies that they tell. If you've ever read the statements of these kids when they are in the back of the patrol car (June) They all know what happened to her.
Dana: Any proof of blood in the back of the Kalpoe vehicle.
Art: Somewhere around the 8th - 11th of June, one of the assistant chief's announced that blood had been found - samples were to be sent to Holland and to the FBI. Art has a friend in the police force who said there was blood found. Blood in headliner and fabric, but report from Holland says chocolate
and cleaning fluid. Unknown if FBI identified, but report said not blood. Don't know of any substances that show up as blood except a few where you can get a false reading
(clorax bleach will give false reading in luminol test) . Police officer was told by forensics that there
was blood in that car. If listeners believe that there was a sabatago of the case from within, there are only a few that could have sabataged. Jan Van der Straaten was involved from the beginning, Beth wanted to see him from the time she got there. Ends up as Paulus' best friend, has said "
how can I do this to my best friend's son" One of the problems Art has with the case is the statments. All appear to be incomplete, all appear to take the focus off Joran. Statements taken by Dennis Jacobs are incomplete. Van der Straatten, Dennis Jabobs and possibly Dompig sabatoged. Joran confessed June 9, transcriptions done June 13 incomplete.
It wasn't a professional investigation or witness statement, that is for sure. When Dave and Art were there in October they saw Van der Straatten meeting with Dennis Jacobs and Dompig - why as he was no longer involved in the case. They talked to police office (the pregnant one at desk job) and she indicated he comes in a couple of times a week.
Dana: Jossy, TES asked about the painted rocks. Visibility Team was
painting supposedly because they found a 7 year old boy. What are the painted rocks about, and was that plastic bag ever
analizedArt: Don't know, have looked at painted rocks and bag video. Also natural bridge area.
A 7 year old child was found in the dunes, I believe was found prior to Natalee's disappearance. Person says he took video June 10-11 of 2005. Video could be critical piece of evidence. Have talked to Dave
to talk to his FBI sources about this. Is about 50 yards from dunes where Art found the belt, also area where Dave say the
police car
on June 2 where they slammed the trunk
without talking to him . Dave and Art met with the Prime Minister
and the assistant prosecutor who quit the case Analiss (?) Flanagan - they were impressed with her, but she quit the case. They met with her for hours late at night (she had the permission of the attorney general). They explained that they wanted the prosecution team replaced. She told them that she saw the testimony of Koen Gottenbos who
she said concocted a story that he had a tennis match with Joran
at the tennis club. Was found to be a lie, she wanted re-interviewed but
police and KJ resisted him being re-interviewed. Word by students was that they borrowed Koen family boat on May 30. Also had solid evidence
from friends of the Gottenbos' , that Koen was ready to crack. He was afraid of being arrested, slept with mother as afraid.
They went to Dompig to try to get interviewed. Koen's father who got a lawyer and Koen was not interviewed.
Dana: Complicity from the top right accros the board - will heads ever roll?Art:
I kinda doubt it. Politically it is real difficult for Arubans to push for the truth as it will make their administration look bad, but they will have to live with it. If you have friends in high places in Aruba you can get things done (example of illegal work permits). Aruban citizenry deserves better than what they have.
The police department deserves a better reputation than what the 3 police officers are giving them. If there are any Aruban citizens there that are listening, it must come from within. Talk to Bernadino who is retiring -
he says he is dicgusted with the ways things are going - he knows a lot about why it failed.
Dana: Asked about the 8 1/2 minute cell call.
Art: Not sure the 4 am call ever happened. Knows that the cell phone records were never turned over to Beth, Dave or their attorneys. Art saw the cell log of Deepak
, Satish and Joran of the night of May 30. Only 4-5 calls. Koen G has a little brother that was interviewed also - when they asked him about his cell phone he says it was stolen at school on May 29, 2005.
Dana: Data from Natalee's computer - was it ever analyized.
Art: Not that he is aware of. No laptop with her, shared computer with her
mother and brother Matt. She had cell phone that she left in her room. Joran accessed
porn site (under his password anyway) at 4 am. He told police it takes him a case of beer to get tipsy. We are not talking about a cub scout here.
Dana:
FBI agent in lobby of Holiday Inn?Art: Not that he has heard. There have been a lot of rumors in inuendos.
Dana: Date rape drug by others?
Art: Girl as juvenile came forward and identified two others
date raped by this group. Police took statements. One girl told an acquaintence that she changed her statement (Sept 2005) after harassment by Dennis Jacobs.
Art was to meet with the girl through her attorney on two occasions and she chickened out. Attorney representing the girl
told Art she was date raped by Joran and his friends.
Dana: About bones being found. Any truth?
Art: A number of bones were turned in to police in Aruba. When followed up, they did not turn in bones to medical examiner. One LE took upon himself to take to clinic where Dr said was a donkey bone. Saw pic in Venzuela paper where
reported to be a human bone
with fingers attached, was sent to Caracus where they said was a manquein. Jossy and Art are amazed as it was human.
