Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 - 9/06/09

[2NJSons_Mom]

     No zoom in the zoom today.

[Magnolia]

This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!      

bilbo2 (bottom) would be my choice...thanks CBB...
Sleep for you my friend....

I fixed it for you Billb, hope you don't mind 

I love it.  He looks kind and wise....exactly how I think of billb.

[jen3560]

Buckeye - I believe this would be the Steve Cohen you were thinking of?  Jewish pornographer.  He is Steven Michael Cohen, and is way too young to be "our" Steve Cohen, IMO.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-pornography-cohen.html

[jen3560]

A reminder of who Steve Cohen is.

Posted/translated by Getagrip:


Court TV creator becomes spokesperson for the Strategic Communications Task Force of Aruba
According to Steve Cohen, we have to straighten out Aruba’s image
DIARIO Aruba
12/03/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN): A press conference given by the Strategic Communications Task Force (SCT) took place on Friday, where the CEO of AHATA and members of the SCT that they held a meeting and they came to the decision to name a special person to be spokesperson for SCT, for everything that has to do with the case of Natalee Holloway.

ATIA’s president, Serge Mansur, said that the decision was to name Steve Cohen for this post.

Steve Cohen has worked as a reporter and presenter in the US, where he was a ‘Senior News Executive’ in Los Angeles and New York.

According to Mr. Mansur, Cohen is one of the creators and producer of the famous Court TV in the US, where he had experience in more than 150 big cases in the courts of the US.
Steve Cohen was also vice president of CBS during 12 years.

This person was on the case from the beginning and has been coming to Aruba since 1979.

Steve Cohen took the podium, where he thanked those who gave him the position of spokesperson.

According to Cohen, 6 months ago, Aruba was a country that was considered as safe, where tourists were safe in their beloved vacations.

Now, 6 months later Aruba is still the same, but the image that the US has o Aruba has changed, because of a worried family and others who think that Aruba did not act fast enough, speak and think badly of Aruba.

The objective in the months to come is to change this back. We do not have the amount of criminality that America has and we have one of the best police corps in the area of the Caribbean.

This, according to Cohen, who said that this is the message that has to be heard for Americans, but Beth Twitty is still saying that the judicial system of Aruba is not working and that it is corrupt.

The fact that a person or family is sad, does not take away that they always have to speak the truth about what has happened. According to Cohen, his role is going to be to let the truth continue to prevail.

The press asked Cohen how he thinks he will do this. According to Cohen, he will try to go on talk shows to try to relay his message to Americans.

SCT also will work closely with the Public Ministry and the investigators of this case, where they will try to let representatives of the Public Ministry or the group of investigators go on one of these programs, after they have had good coaching.

He said that attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper has done a tremendous job, but cannot confront alone all those that they have put against her in the American programs.
Posted by Getagrip at 12/03/2005 11:39:00 PM

[jen3560]

Which brings us here, and which also means I had the wrong Steve Cohen as President of that Mariott Co-op.


STEPHEN J. COHEN 
CEO, Director
President, Diverse Television Group

Mr. Cohen brings Diverse Media Group, Inc. a vision honed during a career at the forefront of emerging media platforms. Previously president of Hometeam LLC, a Seattle-based company which received millions in private investment, he also has served as consultant for the launch of the entrepreneur-funded Dyson News Network (DNN).

He served as president of the American Transportation Television Network, an early direct to satellite private equity start-up in the early 1990’s. He was also the founding executive producer of Court TV, and was responsible for the launching of the cable network and the selection and coverage of many high profile cases.

As vice-president and general manager of the CBS owned and operated television station in Philadelphia, and the Chris Craft television station in Salt Lake City, Mr. Cohen had bottom line responsibilities for those properties and led the creative teams responsible for program development and marketing.

He has operated, as a senior news executive, many of the most prestigious and largest local newsrooms in the United States. While at CBS, he was the news director of both WCBS TV and KCBS TV. Throughout those years, he mentored, hired and guided the careers of many of today’s best know electronic journalists.

While at Chris Craft television, Mr. Cohen redesigned the newscasts in Los Angeles, and created a contemporary and investigative design that focused upon community issues.

As a consultant, Mr. Cohen developed non –state run media opportunities in China for investors; opened new markets for film production in Beijing; and created new network cable concepts for emerging media interests.
 

[Anna]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:



I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   

I have a comment that I'll post right here.

Isn't it interesting that Patrick would be arrested for such crimes - when the likes of Boeti Naar are free to wander the streets and beaches of that rock?

Boeti being a KNOWN drug dealer and all. 

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Can,

Yes, long ago there was a photo of Boeti's accommodations.  Was sort of a lawn chair and cooler hidden in the bushes.  I always wondered why he was allowed to be a Peeping Tom on the tourists as he so openly admitted to being and even bragged about all he saw.

You don't see that in the brochures for sure!

[Anna]

Wreck,
This is from the video where Dave Holloway is so tired and weary.  I believe he also did express some concern about his own health.  That's what I was talking about last night.  There just comes a time when a parent has to back off.  I have reached that point myself twice in my lifetime but knew if I kept going, I was the one who was going to ultimately suffer.  We are each of us ultimately the only one who can act to protect our own health and sanity.  No one else can do that for us.  Hard choice for sure but sometimes living to fight another day is the best we can do.

[wreck]

Wreck,
This is from the video where Dave Holloway is so tired and weary.  I believe he also did express some concern about his own health.  That's what I was talking about last night.  There just comes a time when a parent has to back off.  I have reached that point myself twice in my lifetime but knew if I kept going, I was the one who was going to ultimately suffer.  We are each of us ultimately the only one who can act to protect our own health and sanity.  No one else can do that for us.  Hard choice for sure but sometimes living to fight another day is the best we can do.

Yes, that is not a man who could simply "switch sides". That is the look of a man who is close to being "beaten". I agree.

[can]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:



I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   

I have a comment that I'll post right here.

Isn't it interesting that Patrick would be arrested for such crimes - when the likes of Boeti Naar are free to wander the streets and beaches of that rock?

Boeti being a KNOWN drug dealer and all. 

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Can,

Yes, long ago there was a photo of Boeti's accommodations.  Was sort of a lawn chair and cooler hidden in the bushes.  I always wondered why he was allowed to be a Peeping Tom on the tourists as he so openly admitted to being and even bragged about all he saw.

You don't see that in the brochures for sure!

Hi Anna, it wasn't me that commented, however I do remember Boeti's chair in the bushes etc.

Where was the hotel security - the hotels should be vested in protecting their tourists.  Not so in Aruba, I'm afraid.

[can]

I could never imagine that Dave Holloway would switch sides.

Dave is on his daughter's side!  MO.

I think it was on Larry King that Dave mentioned possible heart problems, iirc.

[can]

Wreck,
This is from the video where Dave Holloway is so tired and weary.  I believe he also did express some concern about his own health.  That's what I was talking about last night.  There just comes a time when a parent has to back off.  I have reached that point myself twice in my lifetime but knew if I kept going, I was the one who was going to ultimately suffer.  We are each of us ultimately the only one who can act to protect our own health and sanity.  No one else can do that for us.  Hard choice for sure but sometimes living to fight another day is the best we can do.

Yes, that is not a man who could simply "switch sides". That is the look of a man who is close to being "beaten". I agree.

Speaking of pictures...I still visualize Dave digging in that g**awful dump and remember all too well the image of him beachside Aruba - kneeling in front of the cross someone erected for Natalee. 

[SuzieQ]

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine. 

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that. 

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine. 

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that. 

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.

Yes, when reserving a room they normally reequest a credit card and then confirm whether to use that card  or your preference in payment when you check out.  That has been our experience. 

[texasmom]

http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:



I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   

I have a comment that I'll post right here.

Isn't it interesting that Patrick would be arrested for such crimes - when the likes of Boeti Naar are free to wander the streets and beaches of that rock?

Boeti being a KNOWN drug dealer and all. 

Boeti should still be serving time for this...but who really knows whether or not he is.  Interesting to me that Boeti chose to remain silent in the case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4044.30;wap2

texasmom:
11/10/08 Awe Mainta Page 4

http://www.awemainta.com/edicionan/1/pdf/04.pdf



12 year y 6 month of jail reparti in are cu owing to try exporta 10 kilo of cocaina for francia

one overall of 12 year y 6 month of jail owing to stay reparti for one are of 5 person, kendenan was envolvi in the exportacion of 10 kilo of cocaina for francia. apart from the castigo here, owing to stay confisca 37 thousand dollar. basicamente huez owing to reduci the castigo for 4 of the 5 sospechosonan, because in cierto sense they owing to coopera cu the investigacion. huez owing to aplaudi the cooperacion of the mulanan, kendenan owing to trece at claridad, kendenan was behind the transporte here. day 3 of july 2008, miembronan of douane haciendo usage of they cachonan across from drugs, owing to come descubri the lote of 10 kilo of cocaina. the instant ey owing to detene the two mulanan cu already was in the plane. is deal here of fatbardh kotili y eleni giazitzi of grecia. this owing to conduci at detencion of matilda nallbati of italia, jacqueline behaj altarriba of albania y xavier naar of aruba. in the caso here owing to confisca 37 thousand dollar in the bedroom of hotel caminda nallbati y behai alraribba was kedando. fiscal owing to exigi 3 year y 6 month of jail for kotili, giazitzi y nallbati while cu for bejah altaribba y for naar past owing to exigi 4 year y 6 month of jail. t’asina cu during tratamento of the caso naar not owing to declara nothing. past owing to tell cu the is haci usage of his derecho of silencio. huez his decision is cu the do not achieve cu kotili y giazitzi was know of the cantidad of drugs. besides past owing to aplaudi the mature cu they owing to coopera cu the investigacion y the show kendenan was envolvi in the traficacion here. for thing is deal the transporte of the drugs, huez is achieve cu kotili together cu giazitzi owing to haci this. nallbati is wordo considera because; complice. huez owing to show cu investigacion is indica cu nallbati was the traductor in the combersacionnan among the french bahaj altarriba y the aruban xavier naar, kendenan t’e grandinan in the traficacion here. past owing to condena kotili y giazitzi at 1 year y mey of jail while cu nallbati owing to wordo condena at 2 year y mey of jail. for thing is deal bahaj altarriba, past owing to wordo condena at 3 year y mey y xavier naar also. the 37 thousand dollar is stay confisca. huez owing to give orden for destrui the 10 kilo of cocaina

[texasmom]

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine. 

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that. 

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.

Yes, when reserving a room they normally reequest a credit card and then confirm whether to use that card  or your preference in payment when you check out.  That has been our experience. 

I can't imagine Patrick's being allowed to check into all of those hotels without a credit card or prepayment either.  The whole thing smells of setup to me.  Probably just one step of many to once again release Joran as a suspect.  I can just imagine who was involved in the planning of this one.  And in the process discredit Peter DeVries in the public view so that any further revelations will be viewed with skepticism.


 


JMO

[Anna]

Not only do major hotels want a valid credit card from me, they often charge the first night immediately.  Guess I just don't know how to work this.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine. 

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that. 

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.

Yes, when reserving a room they normally reequest a credit card and then confirm whether to use that card  or your preference in payment when you check out.  That has been our experience. 

I can't imagine Patrick's being allowed to check into all of those hotels without a credit card or prepayment either.  The whole thing smells of setup to me.  Probably just one step of many to once again release Joran as a suspect.  I can just imagine who was involved in the planning of this one.  And in the process discredit Peter DeVries in the public view so that any further revelations will be viewed with skepticism.


 


JMO

I never thought of that, TM.  I just couldn't get past non-payment in more than one big hotel. 

[Nut44x4]

I am in no way "justifying" what Dave has done. I am in fact just pointing out why I think Dave has succumbed. I agree that this is undoubtedly undermining Natalee. I agree that it very disturbing and wrong. I just don't think Dave is "corrupt". I don't think he took a pay-off.

Wreck - I agree.  I do not doubt that Dave Holloway loves Natalee and would have done anything to get her back.  I don't think Dave is corrupt and I don't think anyone in the Holloway/Twitty family has taken any "pay offs".  I do believe that knowing WHO TO TRUST in Aruba has been hard for the Holloway/Twitty's just as it has been hard for others.

Thank you.......and ITA!!

[Nut44x4]

Janet - I cannot believe that Dave Holloway would knowingly undermine anything pertaining to justice for Natalee.  Not knowingly.

And again......I do agree.

[Kermit]

Dompig is the brother in law of Boeti Naar

Joe

No, we talked to a lot of ppl including Boeti to other witnesses but it'a hard , we did not talk to the Kalpoes. they have a lawyer and we respect that. I think they just want to disappear.

Greta;

Boeti I'm fixated on, he's someone who hangs out on the beach may live on the beach, he has a criminal history. He's there sometimes at night, has access to a boat, is the brother in law to Dompig. DO you have any info on him?

Joe

Most importantly he had a hut on the beach that had a direct shot into the room that Natalee stayed in. He lived in the beach hut, literally stayed there, the climate permits that.