Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 - 9/06/09

[texasmom]

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Oduber: "Timing closure Valero suspicious'

August 27, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber find it strange that Valero has decided to rather than expect the refinery to more non-active state. "They promised us that they had until the end of September, so after the election, would take a final decision."

The Prime Minister finds it "deeply regrettable" that Valero is not, as agreed, had to wait until after the election. "This reminds me of 1985 when Exxon announced before the election that they were closing the refinery and sent their delay coker to Rotterdam under a gentleman's agreement with the Dutch government." There are some repairs that still need to do The prime minister. "The turnaround I do not see happen."
The refinery is also not completely closed, said Oduber. "It continues to be idle. Because they must still remain WEB with fuel to continue importing gasoline and diesel continue to produce. "

The Prime Minister, the government has the obligation to Aruban 500 contract workers, which by September 11th be sent home to protect. "I've spoken with a number of them. I told them I was not going to promise what I can not fulfill, but their situation that we keep a close eye. I have also spoken with union IOWUA. They know what it plays and what the global situation. "The prime minister does not want it played politics with the current situation of the refinery. "MEP is not the owner of the refinery. All we can do is make sure that the conditions for a refinery to have in place. "

Petro China as it is not the government will find a different company. "But the new operator must have its own oil." According Oduber operators not walk around in the wild. "Otherwise we already had a new buyer for the refinery. If the government must accommodate to the extent that we do get to the good of the Aruban economy and thus maintain the refinery. I think it is important that Aruba has a refinery, "said Prime Minister Oduber, which says it is looking forward to next Friday, when the ruling in the arbitration case between the government and Valero is given. "I am convinced that this will be our advantage. Like last week against Astec. "

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ARUBA

Turbulence at The Aruban Resort

August 27, 2009, 14:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Once again, there is anxiety among the staff of timeshare hotel The Aruban Resort. A handful of employees work yesterday laid down for a short period of dissatisfaction with the late payment of their salaries. The hotel management had indicated that there is currently insufficient money again to pay for them.

Clear union, which already brokered, speaks of a difficult situation. According to Chairman Rudy Geerman there seems to be insufficient cash flow, making the payments of salaries each time constrained. During an earlier consultation by the supervisor was verbally promised that every effort will be made to the salaries now paid on time, said Geerman. "But the weather did not happen, we want agreements on paper." The union had also asked the government to address the situation. Tourism Minister Edison Briesen (MEP) has also intervened several times, said Geerman. "But they can not do much, because all it is about a private company."

The rumbles have been part of the hotel. Beginning this year, the Sales & Marketing department was shut down while 80 people were dismissed. A few weeks later that the foreign hotel owners again reversed. The hotel is in serious difficulties, since the recession by selling timeshare apartments fell. Only one quarter of the apartment is sold, the rest is rented to tourists. The hotel also finds in financial difficulties because of U.S. banks which have lent the money - several million florin - is bankrupt. The Aruban Resort was therefore no money from this bank because the trustees already had made seizure, and was so acute in payment difficulties.
The Aruban Resort on Eagle Beach has a total of 362 rooms and apartments, a casino, restaurants, shops and swimming pools. The owner is KL International, which last year took over the hotel and millions of dollars invested into the renovation. If the casino was the largest of the island.

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ARUBA

Government guarantees jobs staff Astec

August 27, 2009, 14:22 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Members of stevedoring union portuário Arubano Union (UPA) want a written guarantee from Minister Edison Briesen (MEP) of Tourism and Transport that they not lose their jobs.

They want this the concession agreement with Astec APA for the container port is finite. The minister gave yesterday to representatives of the union an oral commitment. During the press conference last Monday, he also mentioned that "Director of Clean down," all jobs by Astec APA guaranteed. President also sorry to find that their employer now Astec arbitration case against Aruba Ports Authority has lost the political opponents of the government against members of the UPA government is lit. He pointed out that the arbitration award in its insistence that any transfer of personnel by a new operator and the obligations to staff not being acquired, properly addressed. Article 17 of the concession agreement indicated that if the contract from the side of APA is not renewed, APA is required to ensure that new employees of the concessionaire takes over the Astec. And any severance pay for workers who still do not go, to take on.

[texasmom]

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ARUBA

Session with American self-defense Hayashi

August 27, 2009, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)



"Personal Protection Expert" Mike Hayashi comes especially from the United States to a free session to give self-defense.

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) is organizing a meeting next Tuesday in the sign of self-defense. Mike Hayashi, a Personal Protection Expert from the United States, will lead the session.

Hayashi with tips and strategies for a 'Neighborhood Watch' to start or improve to provide a safer neighborhood for families to create. He also various opinions on how people can avoid being victims of crime at home, at school or work. The American will also outline techniques to better protect yourself, show.

Hayashi has extensive experience in providing such seminars, both to businesses and to individuals. He has already put in about 450 cities visited. The American is in possession of the seventh than he was self-defense and martial arts expert.

AHATA organized this lecture to strengthening civil society and an active and positive role. The tourism organization therefore encourages everyone to participate and benefit from the meeting, which is free. "Helping to maintain a safe society for everyone would be a priority," said AHATA. The meeting is the Marriott hotel in six to eight hours at night.

[Keepthefaith]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61596.php

ARUBA

Session with American self-defense Hayashi

August 27, 2009, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)



"Personal Protection Expert" Mike Hayashi comes especially from the United States to a free session to give self-defense.

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) is organizing a meeting next Tuesday in the sign of self-defense. Mike Hayashi, a Personal Protection Expert from the United States, will lead the session.

Hayashi with tips and strategies for a 'Neighborhood Watch' to start or improve to provide a safer neighborhood for families to create. He also various opinions on how people can avoid being victims of crime at home, at school or work. The American will also outline techniques to better protect yourself, show.

Hayashi has extensive experience in providing such seminars, both to businesses and to individuals. He has already put in about 450 cities visited. The American is in possession of the seventh than he was self-defense and martial arts expert.

AHATA organized this lecture to strengthening civil society and an active and positive role. The tourism organization therefore encourages everyone to participate and benefit from the meeting, which is free. "Helping to maintain a safe society for everyone would be a priority," said AHATA. The meeting is the Marriott hotel in six to eight hours at night.

Now that's Funny! Bring in a  personal protection expert to protect yourself from your own family & friends...The island is only so big & from the many generations of families that live on the island it isn't to hard to figure out who the EVIL CRIMINALS ARE!For pete's sake.The Criminals hired the guy..Just sayin

[Blue Moon]

Wreck,  you said earlier today we need to get the cage and Persistence back in the news and maybe Greta could take it on.  I will go to her blog and make a request from her IF Klaas or Red thinks it would be o.k. to.   I totally agree with you it needs to be brought out into the light.

[wreck]

Wreck,  you said earlier today we need to get the cage and Persistence back in the news and maybe Greta could take it on.  I will go to her blog and make a request from her IF Klaas or Red thinks it would be o.k. to.   I totally agree with you it needs to be brought out into the light.

That wasn't me -- but I DO agree!! 

[Blue Moon]

Wreck,  you said earlier today we need to get the cage and Persistence back in the news and maybe Greta could take it on.  I will go to her blog and make a request from her IF Klaas or Red thinks it would be o.k. to.   I totally agree with you it needs to be brought out into the light.

That wasn't me -- but I DO agree!! 

Sorry, thought it was you.  Anyway, I think it also needs and deserves a little investigation from someone who can bring it out in the open.

[Blue Moon]

Question:
How do we get media attention to the persistence search wrt the cage contents? Is that a dead end because the arubans  collected the contents? I personally think if greta would take up the cause aruba  govt/om would crack and possibly unravel..

It was BillB.  I knew I had read it earlier today.

[Edward]

I have decided after today's news that I will no longer consider Natalee as dead ..
She can be alive.. She will stay alive until I see proof that she is dead.

18 YEARS Later this girl shows up... WTF is that ?
Amy photo on that Adult web site..

Peoples minds obviously go through some dramatic changes once they are held as captive..
Stockholm syndrome ?? OK What ever you want to call it..Natalee could be in Saudi Arabia..
Natalee could be anywhere and held for any amount of time and just like Dr.Donna Hughes told me..
She could be 2 blocks from home and never try to call home..

This story today proves just that. 18 years and never calls home.

[Buckeye]

I have decided after today's news that I will no longer consider Natalee as dead ..
She can be alive.. She will stay alive until I see proof that she is dead.

18 YEARS Later this girl shows up... WTF is that ?
Amy photo on that Adult web site..

Peoples minds obviously go through some dramatic changes once they are held as captive..
Stockholm syndrome ?? OK What ever you want to call it..Natalee could be in Saudi Arabia..
Natalee could be anywhere and held for any amount of time and just like Dr.Donna Hughes told me..
She could be 2 blocks from home and never try to call home..

This story today proves just that. 18 years and never calls home.

I believe Joran spoke the truth to Patrick......yet....I do keep in mind, John Q. Kelly's words...after the Greta "I sold her" story.  Either he believes the timeline fits or wants to make a case for trafficking because then the situation would rise to international scrutiny....

[Buckeye]

November 26, 2008

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JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S PARENTS: You know, the most logical explanation of how Natalee could disappear, absolutely vanish into air within a half hour of being dropped off at the beach with Joran is consistent with what he said. And all the other evidence points towards it, too, that she was led down to the fisherman's hut, she was led to the shore, you know, alive, well, and led onto a small sports utility vehicle, and you know, very willingly got on board and before she knew what was happening and Joran didn't get on board, you know, the boat took off and she was subdued eventually.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, there is absolutely no forensic evidence of a homicide, and I mean, which is unusual...

KELLY: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Not necessarily dispositive of what happened. But that's -- I mean, for someone who's inexperienced to commit a murder and not leave a hair, a blood, or anything anyplace is extremely significant. Now, let me ask you this.

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: Has the prosecutor followed up on everything? Because it's the prosecutor's job to prove or disprove. And I've got a real beef with this prosecutor. He won't look at this tape. But has he satisfied you that he's chased down every lead?

KELLY: Well, not at all, Greta. I mean, there are really simple things. I mean, there was the big issue about where are Joran's size 14 Swiss K shoes? I mean, if he led her down to the beach and she and Natalee -- he and Natalee were carrying their shoes, he would have helped her on, she'd put her sandals on, and if he just threw on his shoes but instead of getting on just pushed the boat off, you know, his shoes would be gone with Natalee and her sandals.

I mean, there have been all kinds of things. There are phone logs there. I've asked for the surveillance tapes from the casinos. I haven't gotten them. I've asked him to review them. He hasn't gotten back to me on those. I've asked for phone records. I haven't gotten those. I've asked for backup on witness interviews. I haven't gotten those.

And Greta, it's just -- it's almost too simple, when you step back and look at it, what probably happened that night. It's really scary.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, now, I would -- if I were the prosecutor, I'd want to look at wire transfers, both the ones -- we have a number of a wire transfer that he should investigate from January, but even to see whether or not -- Joran says there was a payoff of some police -- whether or not there was cash drawn down from Paulus van der Sloot's account. I'd get a subpoena on that. I'd get a subpoena on all his relatives to see if any money was (INAUDIBLE)

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: Anything to sort of piece together to see whether or not this is true or not, the surveillance video -- what surveillance video do you want him to look at?

KELLY: Well, for starters, if you recall -- and it was sort of pushed aside by the law enforcement also, when Joran is sitting in the Excelsior casino with Natalee and her friends, there's a middle-aged Caucasian gentlemen sitting there who actually speaks to Natalee and the other girls. And I just want to know -- you know, he absolutely fits the description of the man Joran describes. He actually looks a lot like Paulus, too.

And I just want to see whether he had talked to that man before the girls arrived, whether he talked to that man after the girls left. And quite remarkably, Hans Mos told me they've never even identified who that man is to this day.

VAN SUSTEREN: Does Hans Mos want to help investigate Deepak and Satish and Paulus or not?

KELLY: No. In fact, the first call I made to him, he said -- he asked if this had anything to do with the Dr. Phil litigation, and if it did, he would not help me because he totally supports Satish and Deepak.

And the other thing is -- let me just add, Greta, you know, Aruba is a tourist island. Their commerce -- they can survive if the story is -- you know, is one aberrant act by a young man who got caught up and panicked on an accidental death of a young girl there. That they can live with. But you know, for several young men conspiring and plotting and putting someone into human trafficking, adults covering it up, law enforcement covering it up, government officials looking away, that's something Aruba can't survive.

And I think that's why when you go down there and you present them with things or ask them questions, they want to disprove everything you say or not listen to it, rather than go after it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, that's my rub, is they won't even investigate, you know, any of this that we have.

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know, just investigate it. Prove it or disprove it, one or the other. John, thank you.

KELLY: Sure, Greta....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html

[klaasend]

SAN pointed this out to me. They added some more photos to the 24ora Patrick van der Eem arrest article.  Look who's there:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11480/8/



Frans van Deutekom

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg456882#msg456882

By the way, I hear Patrick is being detained for 8 more days.

[Magnolia]

That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.

[klaasend]

I have decided after today's news that I will no longer consider Natalee as dead ..
She can be alive.. She will stay alive until I see proof that she is dead.

18 YEARS Later this girl shows up... WTF is that ?
Amy photo on that Adult web site..

Peoples minds obviously go through some dramatic changes once they are held as captive..
Stockholm syndrome ?? OK What ever you want to call it..Natalee could be in Saudi Arabia..
Natalee could be anywhere and held for any amount of time and just like Dr.Donna Hughes told me..
She could be 2 blocks from home and never try to call home..

This story today proves just that. 18 years and never calls home.

In this girls case she was held prisoner in a backyard fortress.  She really wasn't out and about.  She likely didn't have access to the phone.

Personally, I don't believe Natalee is alive.  I believe she died in front of Joran van der Sloot on May 30, 2005.  But I respect whatever you wish to believe.

[klaasend]

Edward - and I'd like to add, that is EXACTLY what Joran would like you to believe.

[Buckeye]

That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.

Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...

[Magnolia]

That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.

Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...

I think what he told Patrick was essentially the truth. 

[wreck]

That is just too painful for me to contemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.

Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...

I do too........... and I think Patrick is now paying the price by returning to Aruba where the "powers that be" can make him pay.

[Magnolia]

That is just too painful for me to contemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.

Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...

I do too........... and I think Patrick is now paying the price by returning to Aruba where the "powers that be" can make him pay.

It says a lot about Aruba that they are so out to punish Patrick.