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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2009, 10:14:22 AM »

Janet - I hope you have a wonderful trip!!!!! 
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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2009, 10:14:45 AM »

So we have two different people, right?

Acker and Akers?
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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2009, 10:57:14 AM »

So we have two different people, right?

Acker and Akers?

In the photo with Paulus, the person to his left resembled Jean Akers to me.  Spelling right or wrong, that is the person I was thinking about.
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2009, 11:20:11 AM »

So we have two different people, right?

Acker and Akers?

I think so. I'd like to see more information on the new judge though.



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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2009, 11:21:31 AM »

Mere, Thanks for the correction on swine flu reports to WHO.  I do find it strange that counting cases has stopped globally.  I thought that was the only way to track cases.  Oh, well.

 

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« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2009, 11:27:33 AM »

Good Morning All.

Just checking email and airline website and then heading out the door.

Brandi knows that something is up with all the activity and is whining out in her kennel.

 

Niece and hubby are staying at our home to be with her but they will not be here for a few hours.

 

Janet
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I hope you have a wonderful trip, Janet!! Don't worry about Brandi. Brandi will be fine in her kennel with your family to look out after her! 

 
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« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2009, 11:35:00 AM »

http://www.afsa.org/fsj/apr08/afsa_news.pdf



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_language

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Khmer (ភាសាខ្មែរ), or Cambodian, is the language of the Khmer people and the official language of Cambodia.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2009, 01:36:01 PM »

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11096/5/



Papiamentu translation:

family y my team

friday, 14 august 2009 - 10:21

“loke do you sow today, are you cosecha tomorrow,” is one proverb much using in the vida daily paper here at aruba. one problem social cu owing to come is creciendo much ultimo anjanan is the problem of gangnan. much is wordu talk, but some is wordu haci for help soluciona the fenomeno here. click read more for more info... in life always do you will have one choice. could you stop at near y follow critica or could you throw up one hand y help do you prohimo. for es motibo here bubali s.c. is organizando monday now 17 of august one lezing cu is take away the topico, “ami do not fight in gang; my gang is my family y my team.” will have 3 orador on the night here, y they're personanan cu amplio conocemento on the matter here. among the oradornan will is present sr. tony green, cu is one doctor in the material of psylogia. also will tey sra. trudy hassel, cu is one inspectrese of police y one luchador incansable contra the practica here of gangnan. y can ultimo will tey present sr. dennis jacobs cu is one recherché cu amplio conocemento of usage of drugs. the lezing is declaration of policy for cuminsa 7.30 of night y will take lugar at clubhuis of bubali. one invitacion is bay at all deportista, fanatico, dirigentenan of teamnan of all sport, provided that especial futbol y also parents for come listen the charla interesting here. the is one oportunidad unique for could you hanja information important on what is the consecuencianan hour are you fight in gang. my gang is my family y my team. yega…dialuna now..na clubhuis of bubali…awo have co come across!! come across
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2009, 01:50:41 PM »

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/

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Out of 51 states and territories reporting
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477 deaths
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« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2009, 02:04:53 PM »

So we have two different people, right?

Acker and Akers?

In the photo with Paulus, the person to his left resembled Jean Akers to me.  Spelling right or wrong, that is the person I was thinking about.

I agree...
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« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2009, 02:14:03 PM »

 

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

THURSDAY, AUGUST 13, 2009

Chance For a New Beginning

Resulting from the tragic disappearance in May 2005 of Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba, many immediately saw what appeared to be rampant cronyism, corruption, and downright criminal actions on the part of those elected to preserve and protect = The Aruban Government and its Judiciary.

Throughout these past 4 years, many have watched and listened to further injustices against both Natalee and her family by those same "authorities".

Many have also seen the reaction of the world to the continued spotlight on Aruba, and its previously hidden underbelly of crime.

Such an underbelly has gone unreported in their crime statistics, thereby continuing to promote a safe vacation destination of "One Happy Island".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.0



Now four years later, we are finally seeing what we hope is only the beginning of official investigating, exposing, and criminally charging those who helped Joran van der Sloot, Paulus van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe in covering up their crimes against Natalee Holloway.

This Aruban citizen has publicly stated what many have cried out for these past four years:

Aruba, do something about your corrupt elected officials. From your Prime Minister, your Minister of Justice, and Minister of Tourism, to your Public Prosecutor, your Law Enforcement Officers, and your Judicial Bench.

YOU can make a change. YOU can ensure that your homeland turns itself around, punishes the guilty, and affirms that the message this injustice sent to your youth - that crime can and will go unpunished on Aruba - gets stopped now.

Your public outcry insisting on righting this wrong, on demanding just punishment against those who abducted and murdered Natalee Holloway, and those who enabled their freedom from such punishment are brought before Lady Justice, one and all, is imperative.

Send a message to your elected officials that their actions must reflect clear and concise measures of morality, good will, integrity and conformance to the law. Let them know that should their actions fall short of these things, that you the people will not tolerate it. That you will no longer suffer the consequences of their corrupt decisions and actions.

Aruban citizens, we urge you to send letters encouraging, pleading, and demanding a just and right investigation, including criminal prosecution of these foul perpetrators, to the Dutch investigators currently looking into these things.


Take a stand, and right this wrong. For Natalee Holloway. For her family.

And for yourselves and the future of your island.

http://www.transparency.org/contact_us/ti_nc/all

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http://theholearuba.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-post.html

MONDAY, JULY 27, 2009

Aruba's Moral Crisis

Where ever you go today, you are always able to hear something negative about the dire situation on the island of Aruba.

If it's not coming from your radio or television, it's the local newspapers filled everyday with articles that make it clear of this somber reality that according to many has really gone out of hand. These are not just ordinary complaints or political rants addressing a particularly bad situation. Unfortunately it is the ugly truth that we are all experiencing on this "one happy island" of Aruba today. Teen pregnancy has reached alarming and critical numbers apparently twice as large as the numbers presently at hand in Holland. The latter supposedly the country that many here in Aruba, including our Prime Minister and his popular sidekicks the Ex Minister of Justice and the Minister of Health call our "Mother Country" lacking in strong religious and moral conviction and lost in it's liberal ways with it's free sex, homosexual marriage, child pornography and it's drug abuse gone ramped and available everywhere in the Netherlands. These people are in the frame of mind that here in Aruba we are living in a super fantastic Utopia, where none of these undesirable things happen, this because of their own and their prestigious party's high moral and religious convictions. They believe they have all of these minor local problems very much under control as they all themselves live a healthy and wholesome life.

The Irony and cruel reality unfortunately is that here in Aruba our government employees and the government itself over the last few years have been constantly under suspicion and are presently being investigated by the Dutch government (as the local Aruban government and Dept. of Justice would not look into this for 8 consecutive years) for being involved in obscure businesses, fraud and scandal in different departments of the government.

Armed robbery cases, sometimes with bloody consequences in the light of day all around the island, the homeless drug addicted vagrant "choller" phenomenon is reaching it's highest numbers and keeps growing and is already to be seen at the high rise hotels. The stealing in and of automobiles, theft in commercial establishments and home invasions are happening more then ever all over the island. Many of these are done by our own local youth and this unfortunately has become a common occurrence. We have reached the point where everyone already ask themselves daily, "when will I be next"?

Where did things go wrong? Why does it seem that we never have a solution in place or one that soon will be implemented, for any of our social problems. Who will take responsibility for this fiasco and obvious failure to see or address these very apparent social problems.

Perhaps it was the rising of crude prices? or do we blame it on Henny Eman and his "gang" of the AVP party? Was it the Minister that was not available for health reasons and has since past away, is he to blame? Oh no, it was Tico, he single-handedly took care of this! Perhaps it's our antiquated and liberal Dutch laws? No, it's Andin Bikker the "Capitalist Straw Man", who did know how to break the monopoly in telecommunications on the island -where the big, fat and lazy government owned entity loved to over charge us all for a very long time on the island. Or was it Digicel? Is it the introduction of AZV our national health insurance or was it the racetrack or Ralph Sanchez perhaps? Or is it the crazy American Tourist who come to the island in droves and love to buy drugs and get high and make a scene everywhere they go? It's probably the devil worshipping cults that are recently invading and corrupting our Aruban teens. No it is the Colombian, Venezuelan, Dominican and the rest of these "Latinos" who we have been importing during the last few years to do the work, they are the ones to blame for this chaos here in Aruba.

Sorry folks, I believe it is none of the above. It is us, we the people of Aruba,
"The Original Aruban", we are to blame, we let things go out of hand and let this happen to our country and to ourselves.

The love for money and the yearning for living a larger life while having everyone around you work hard and possibly even suffer to make just a little bit. The lack of brotherly love and the sense of entitlement as to own and take things that you know are not yours, does not belong to you, do not deserve and was never yours to begin with, but knowingly keep it to yourself or keep abusing of this one sided situation anyway, as you believe that you deserve it and have the right to it. At hand is the "Live and Let Die " , "Greed is Good", instead of the "Live and Let Live" mentality. All of this with a corrupt governmental and judicial environment has unfortunately distorted the moral compass of the Aruban society.

And now what? Do we pray to God, Mother Mary, the Buddha, Saints Peter? Will this bring the solution? Or should we forget all our problems by ignoring the situation by the use and abuse of alcohol, drugs and partying on with no end every weekend. Who's is here this weekend? Double R, Diomedes Diaz, Earth, Wind and Fire, perhaps Jamie Foxx: "Blame it on the A, A, A, A, A Alcohol Baby.....?

No people, the solution starts with ones self.

Demand, what you do have the right to, in a well balanced society.

That is a peaceful life, living in harmony and coexistence with nature and your fellow man, all under the watchful eye of the Lord All Mighty. This should be demanded and expected from anyone who sits down in the new government seat.

What future would we have if it all stays the same and everything stays in the hands of those whom party in their private club and today own many things that 8 to 12 years ago they did not have, including nightclubs, sports bars, buildings "all inclusive" meaning already prearranged and signed with a convenient government long lease at exaggerated high rates and all this without having invited tenders nor legal contracts, hotel spa's, crazy high salaries for friends and family all these part of the Exclusive Elitist Club. Many of these do not even have to set foot at the government or government allied job for years, the traveling all over the world anytime there is an issue at hand in the parliament that these elected representatives have to face and resolve and therefor don't confront, not to mention the making available to these Ministers of government employees as to captain and maintain their personal yachts and to work on their political campaigns for this "private club of humble capitalist" working in a democracy of the people, for the people, by the people?

How embarrassing...

Please deceive someone else.

How sweet it is!

4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years!

Wake up folks...

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POSTED BY NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS AT 12:23 PM
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2009, 03:02:00 PM »

I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!
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« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2009, 03:04:59 PM »

I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!

As time goes on it will become even more obvious me thinks but,what do i know?
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« Reply #53 on: August 14, 2009, 03:17:37 PM »

I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!


I agree jen!  I feel very confident that there are MANY more Arubans that feel the same way that the writer of that blog feels about the state of affairs on Aruba.  Now they need to do something about it!

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2009, 03:30:40 PM »

From today's Diario:

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news2.html

Papiamentu translation:

empleadonan preocupa cu possible paro of operacion of time share of la cabana



oranjestad (aan): diahuebs did take lugar one caso at corte of husticia, in cual blue green corporation of merca owing to ask one advocate try stop deportacion of his employee garret ulewicz, that owing to come aruba year happen y owing to help fix the situation of time share of la cabana.

after of one control of autoridadnan local, owing to leave at cla cu ulewicz at various occasion owing to stay aruba more time of cual was worde permiti, without ask for this oficialmente.

apart from this owing to worde constata cu the will was trahando without permission of trabao, mirando cu the not owing to ricibi contesta still for his peticion for such permission.

huez owing to dicta diahuebs cu conforme orden of minister of husticia, ulewicz have to bandona aruba today.

several employee of la cabana owing to bay corte for sostene ulewicz, mirando cu they're feel y they will owing to achieve one indicacion cu if ulewicz not worde permiti of stay aruba for follow give training y guia operacion of the seccion of time share of the hotel, blue green muy probably will dicidi of stop the operacion y this will place cu at least 70 mother y father of family will lose they trabao.

now the are big here of employee is much preocupa because they not know kico is bay happen, now cu ulewicz is bay worde deporta. come across
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #55 on: August 14, 2009, 03:42:06 PM »

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news4.html

fiscal van der schaft interoga in caso of michael williams

oranjestad (aan): relaciona cu the peticion for cuminza one caso of damage y perhuicio contra gobierno of part of michael williams, have one investigacion andando.

williams is achieve cu all the asunto rond of detencion y castigo of his yiunan y the as con owing to listra in his cas at various occasion, is persecusion politico, among another because past owing to trece fast some acusacion earnest contra gobierno of mep, among another for thing is the asunto namdar.

during interogacion of various person relaciona cu the caso cu williams wanted cuminza, owing to ask about among another boss of recherche tocante of mencion of one list of name of person of gang of dakota, mirando cu according williams the boss of recherche here know of existencia of such list.

advocate of williams gabri de hoogd owing to haci peticion also for listen fiscal van der schaft tocante the asunto here, mirando cu the was the fiscal encarga cu ultimo caso of gang of dakota, of cual owing to worde tell for autoridadnan cu the two you hombernan of williams is pertenece.

diahuebs was the day cu fiscal van der schaft owing to worde interoga at corte of husticia.na end of his interogacion daily paper owing to stop pafo for saca his potret, but the fiscal owing to leave for of one door behind corte.

daily paper owing to busca advocate de hoogd for one interview tocante the interogacion here, but not owing to succeed achieve contacto cune.

will follow haci attempt of achieve contacto cune, for so informa people kico all owing to sosode during the session of interogacion.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-08-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-08-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm


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Court case is set on gay marriage



Casper van der Schaft, officer of justice, outside the court expressed the concerns of the OM on this civil case about gay marriage.

ORANGE CITY - The appeal of a gay couple from the country Aruba on registration in the population has changed in a matter of sham marriages.

This became clear Monday during the proceedings in the Court of First Instance in Orange City. It chose the gay couple not to be present, possibly for reasons of privacy. (Amigoe)
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #57 on: August 14, 2009, 04:01:42 PM »

I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!


I agree jen!  I feel very confident that there are MANY more Arubans that feel the same way that the writer of that blog feels about the state of affairs on Aruba.  Now they need to do something about it!

 


Agreed.  I also feel there are some on that rock who know exactly what happened to Natalee, and have been up until now afraid of coming forward.  Maybe they can put those fears aside now?  Now that the Dutch are there investigating....and they could go right to those folks, instead of the Aruba officials they are afraid of.

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« Reply #58 on: August 14, 2009, 04:09:31 PM »

I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!


I agree jen!  I feel very confident that there are MANY more Arubans that feel the same way that the writer of that blog feels about the state of affairs on Aruba.  Now they need to do something about it!

 


Agreed.  I also feel there are some on that rock who know exactly what happened to Natalee, and have been up until now afraid of coming forward.  Maybe they can put those fears aside now?  Now that the Dutch are there investigating....and they could go right to those folks, instead of the Aruba officials they are afraid of.



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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #59 on: August 14, 2009, 05:29:55 PM »

I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!

IT IS high time for sure.  I used to think Jossy would be the one to solve this but not anymore.  He has to live on his island and JMO Jossy never did have enough info to help in this case OR he did have it and withheld it for political purposes.  AGAIN I state this as my opinion only.  I believe LOTS of people on that island knows what happened to Natalee.  All you have to do is look at the way the men on that island treat women, young girls and yes little children.  In 4 years it never ceases to amaze me the way they brush off the crimes committed to the females on that island.  Natalee is NOT the first victim on that hell-whole island.  She will not the last victim until someone comes forward and gives this female, this daughter, this sister her day in court where JUSTICE FOR NATALEE will prevail.
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