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« Reply #1820 on: September 27, 2009, 09:53:42 PM »

so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.
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« Reply #1821 on: September 27, 2009, 09:54:05 PM »

Where did the original information come from that she went home, took a bath and changed from her bathing suit to clothes.  Wasn't that from KK or her daughter?  Was that rumor, or official? MB? 

I remember early on that SM members were questioning the time involved in doing that task and how long it would take. 


AND.....I really want to know why MB would not welcome a dog search with open arms, and welcome any help she could get from any one.  Why would she not even speak to HO???  this makes no sense to me whatsoever. 
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« Reply #1822 on: September 27, 2009, 09:54:15 PM »

Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 
Thanks DD.  So the bathing suit is the big clue.  Very interesting, I will go back and do some research.  Also, first time I have seen removal of a pipe and a little pot required a Hazmet suit.  Times sure are changingI guess.  shortcake
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« Reply #1823 on: September 27, 2009, 09:54:20 PM »

Am I to assume that someone planted Lindsey's swimsuit at this lady's house? I just don't know what else to think. 

NoRose - i dont think we know yet if the suit was even found at this house.
Thanks, after I posted that I walked away, and realized I didn't state it the way I meant to. I'm assuming perhaps a tip or something to the effect that her suit would be found there, or that Lindsey had been seen on the property. Sure sounds like there are several people out to get this woman and her son  She must have come very close to finding out what happened to Lindsey, or she and her son was an easy target. 
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« Reply #1824 on: September 27, 2009, 09:55:26 PM »

Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to Lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 

WOW about the bathing suit.  So when KK was still on here and taking questions I was one who was trying to get a timeline nailed down and pointed out to KK that there was not enough time at two places in the time line to fit in everything she said happened.  One was the small window of time between leaving the video store and having the argument at the gas station on the way to KK's house.  KK stated that her daughter who was with Lindsey at the time confirmed that they went back to Lindsey's house and Lindsey had a bath/shower , and changed clothes before heading to KK's house. 

This means that:
A) The information from KK's daughter was false
B) The information from KK was false
C) Lindsey did have a shower or bath and put on a different bathing suit under her clothes.
D) Lindsey had a shower or bath and put on the same suit under her clothes ( which seems suspect if she just showered or bathed)

Do we know if Lindsey had more than one bathing suit or it is the same one she had been wearing that day that is missing?
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« Reply #1825 on: September 27, 2009, 09:56:17 PM »

Where did the original information come from that she went home, took a bath and changed from her bathing suit to clothes.  Wasn't that from KK or her daughter?  Was that rumor, or official? MB? 

I remember early on that SM members were questioning the time involved in doing that task and how long it would take. 


AND.....I really want to know why MB would not welcome a dog search with open arms, and welcome any help she could get from any one.  Why would she not even speak to HO???  this makes no sense to me whatsoever.  

this is really bothering me...plus the fact that MB didn't even call him, a relative of hers did.  I would give this guy my left arm if he was helping to find my child.
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« Reply #1826 on: September 27, 2009, 09:57:17 PM »

and tell you to leave your own house?  Are you kidding?  Do they have the legal right to make you leave your own home?
I'm not sure about that, I thought you could stay when they search your home with a warrant?

Maybe if JessStar comes on she can answer that for us.  But NoRose, I thought the same thing.
So the bathingsuit is on the search warrant, which means LE is looking for it, which means the original story is wrong, which means other parts of the story may be wrong, which means somebody is covering their butts (collective or otherwise), which means we have been lied to from day one, which means . . . omg!
I really hate to say this, but I felt all along we were being lied to, and I sure have my suspicions of who has been lying   
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« Reply #1827 on: September 27, 2009, 09:58:25 PM »

People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.
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« Reply #1828 on: September 27, 2009, 10:00:29 PM »

Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to Lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 

WOW about the bathing suit.  So when KK was still on here and taking questions I was one who was trying to get a timeline nailed down and pointed out to KK that there was not enough time at two places in the time line to fit in everything she said happened.  One was the small window of time between leaving the video store and having the argument at the gas station on the way to KK's house.  KK stated that her daughter who was with Lindsey at the time confirmed that they went back to Lindsey's house and Lindsey had a bath/shower , and changed clothes before heading to KK's house. 

This means that:
A) The information from KK's daughter was false
B) The information from KK was false
C) Lindsey did have a shower or bath and put on a different bathing suit under her clothes.
D) Lindsey had a shower or bath and put on the same suit under her clothes ( which seems suspect if she just showered or bathed)

Do we know if Lindsey had more than one bathing suit or it is the same one she had been wearing that day that is missing?

So the info did come from KK and/or her daughter.  Very interesting.....and now they are searching for the swim suit. 
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« Reply #1829 on: September 27, 2009, 10:03:02 PM »

Where did the original information come from that she went home, took a bath and changed from her bathing suit to clothes.  Wasn't that from KK or her daughter?  Was that rumor, or official? MB? 

I remember early on that SM members were questioning the time involved in doing that task and how long it would take. 


AND.....I really want to know why MB would not welcome a dog search with open arms, and welcome any help she could get from any one.  Why would she not even speak to HO???  this makes no sense to me whatsoever. 
That's the million dollar question for me 
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« Reply #1830 on: September 27, 2009, 10:05:03 PM »

I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342
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« Reply #1831 on: September 27, 2009, 10:05:41 PM »

I don't think the fact that the swimsuit was on the search warrant is inconsistent with what WE know. What we know is that Lindsey took a shower and changed clothes. What we don't know is what that means. Does it mean she took off her suit, washed her hair, washed herself, blah blah blah?  Or does it mean she rinsed the chlorine water off of her?  When I shower after swimming, I stand under the shower for a few minutes to rinse off. If this child was in a hurry, I can certainly envision her rinsing herself off, bathing suit and all, and then getting dressed with her suit on under her clothes. She is only 10 at the time. 10 year olds do illogical things when they are in a hurry.
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« Reply #1832 on: September 27, 2009, 10:05:56 PM »

People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

thanks Jess...useful info as always!
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« Reply #1833 on: September 27, 2009, 10:06:28 PM »

snipped from MM:
i didnt have a problem telling KK things dont seem right, i had no problem telling mb that stories need to quit changing.

In all fairness, MM later stated she meant the above in regard to what time Lindsey left KaraK's house.
I do find this statement very telling however in light of the bathing suit issue.
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« Reply #1834 on: September 27, 2009, 10:08:44 PM »

I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


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« Reply #1835 on: September 27, 2009, 10:10:40 PM »

People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

Thank you JessStar . . . again.  If LE came to my door looking for a child, I really think I would say come in, she isn't here.  However, if LE came to my door with a search warrant -- right after they kicked me out of my own home I would be headed to the best attorney I could find.  No doubt about that.
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« Reply #1836 on: September 27, 2009, 10:19:45 PM »

Thank-you JessStar for all that info 
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« Reply #1837 on: September 27, 2009, 10:21:08 PM »

any locals hearing about the car on fire out at sand creek pond? 

guess someone took a car out there and set it on fire.  fire trucks were just out there. 
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« Reply #1838 on: September 27, 2009, 10:21:46 PM »

. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw?

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox

hi Scandi... I have always respected your postings and reasoning, have seen you work on many cases over the years.

yes they have to have probable cause.  I do believe you will be surprised when it comes out that the judge has a DIRECT CONFLICT with the family over personal matters.  This will be brought up to the attorney for the family.  It is POSSIBLE someone's personal conflict got in the way of good judgement.  I would really hope not, but this judge should never have been the one to okay the warrants in the first place.  The conflict has to do with personal problems between the two families, NOT ANYTHING "LEGAL" at all.  some old deep wounds there between his family and the family he signed the search warrant for. 

so let's see what becomes of this. 

again Scandi.  Always enjoyed seeing your posts.
Thanks DD and likewise to you.  It is a pleasure to meet you.  Your tenacity in Lindsey's case has always amazed me, your being a true advocate for her that seems to have given this forum a solid base for Sleuthing her case.

If what you say is true then I agree the judge should have removed himself from the case.  It will be interesting to see how it falls, but am wondering if you anticipate either one of two things happening.  That the family will immediately contest the validity of the warrants issued due to a conflict of interest.  Or if you anticipate legal action against one or more of the family members by the State and the family will then have their lawyer contest the SW's in court to have the legal action set aside.  I am sure you know allot more about the law than I do.

One thing I have read about the case from an astrological standpoint is that there is possibly a figure of authority involved in her disappearance.  That is an authority figure as seen by Lindsey.  It is just so ironic that I have just read your post after reading about another authority figure in town {which makes two in one day that sit on the periphery of her case now}.  It makes me wonder if the unsub is a local man of respect in the community who she knew of or he had seen her.  That is not saying either the judge or the mayor, but rather someone of their ILK.

Whatever, I think the main focus now should be locating Lindsey.  And I also hope the FBI is still actively involved here in the normal way they work a case with local authorities.  xox



 

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« Reply #1839 on: September 27, 2009, 10:23:09 PM »

so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.

who would even know about the swimming suit.  it was suppose to be home.  so who would know she had it on or with her?
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