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Author Topic: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 - 9/28/09  (Read 326601 times)
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« Reply #360 on: September 06, 2009, 11:27:23 PM »

Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
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At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.
   

KarmaR, that could be -- I just thought it a little unusual -- hopefully Northern Rose can let me know what she meant.

As my other reply a few minutes ago, I was just pointing out the "mood" change.  I would love to say I grabbed a screen capture of the friends but did not.  I think I may start doing this now as it would have helped. 
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« Reply #361 on: September 07, 2009, 06:16:17 AM »

Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
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At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.
   

KarmaR, that could be -- I just thought it a little unusual -- hopefully Northern Rose can let me know what she meant.

As my other reply a few minutes ago, I was just pointing out the "mood" change.  I would love to say I grabbed a screen capture of the friends but did not.  I think I may start doing this now as it would have helped. 

Northern Rose, thank you for checking.  I appreciate it.
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« Reply #362 on: September 07, 2009, 07:05:22 AM »

hi everyone-

i have been gone for a few weeks on vacation but just got caught up on this thread. i really hope i dont repeat anything that's already been said, but i just wanted to agree with previous posters that it is very frustrating when posters say that they know certain things but can't tell those things. it's a huge tease as far as im concerned and i dont really know how appropriate it is for this board.  why put it out there if you can't say it? anyway... i know we all have the same goal in mind to bring LB home...

as far as the dog scents..since the very beginning of this case, this has been a huge area of contention. i find it ridiculous that the fbi or the local pd didnt search a home that the dogs led too (if this is accurate info) this is just kind of hard for me to believe.

as far as this alice walker person...shes a famous author, she wrote "the color purple"...it could just be someone that used that as a name, who knows.

i really dont think lb is connected to the person that took her through the internet. i think its a great place for people to start sleuthing because it is important and internet safety is important,however i believe when all is said and done, this will be a local that lb was somewhat familiar with.

Alice Walters is the name I was asking about.  She is listed on Lindsey's myspace as a friend and I wanted to know who she is. IIRC there was a photo at one time and she was a much older woman.  Never said anything about a person connected to the internet taking her.

Yes, the Color Purple -- what a great book!

IIRC LE has stated publicly there was "no scent" trail, anywhere.  I don't see how that could be possible, but . . .
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« Reply #363 on: September 07, 2009, 10:41:22 AM »

hi everyone-

i have been gone for a few weeks on vacation but just got caught up on this thread. i really hope i dont repeat anything that's already been said, but i just wanted to agree with previous posters that it is very frustrating when posters say that they know certain things but can't tell those things. it's a huge tease as far as im concerned and i dont really know how appropriate it is for this board.  why put it out there if you can't say it? anyway... i know we all have the same goal in mind to bring LB home...

as far as the dog scents..since the very beginning of this case, this has been a huge area of contention. i find it ridiculous that the fbi or the local pd didnt search a home that the dogs led too (if this is accurate info) this is just kind of hard for me to believe.

as far as this alice walker person...shes a famous author, she wrote "the color purple"...it could just be someone that used that as a name, who knows.

i really dont think lb is connected to the person that took her through the internet. i think its a great place for people to start sleuthing because it is important and internet safety is important,however i believe when all is said and done, this will be a local that lb was somewhat familiar with.

Alice Walters is the name I was asking about.  She is listed on Lindsey's myspace as a friend and I wanted to know who she is. IIRC there was a photo at one time and she was a much older woman.  Never said anything about a person connected to the internet taking her.

Yes, the Color Purple -- what a great book!

IIRC LE has stated publicly there was "no scent" trail, anywhere.  I don't see how that could be possible, but . . .


I agree.  However ... that is what LE reported.

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THE TRACKING DOGS

Why was Lindsey's scent not picked up by these dogs.  Think about it ... the Maple Street route was taken by her both coming to and leaving the Kampen residence on the evening of June 26, 2009.


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KOMO News - June 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World = July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

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« Reply #364 on: September 07, 2009, 10:48:33 AM »

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It was my daughter and another friend that changed it to "cool I'm on Lindsey's myspace" originally. The mood wet had I'm told been like that since the girls went swimming the day before Lindsey went missing.  I know it was quite a shocker to see it there (the mood) but that is  one of the hings that these girls don't quite understand yet and use it innocently in reference to swimming etc.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg867454#msg867454
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« Reply #365 on: September 07, 2009, 11:09:45 AM »

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It was my daughter and another friend that changed it to "cool I'm on Lindsey's myspace" originally. The mood wet had I'm told been like that since the girls went swimming the day before Lindsey went missing.  I know it was quite a shocker to see it there (the mood) but that is  one of the hings that these girls don't quite understand yet and use it innocently in reference to swimming etc.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg867454#msg867454


yes i definitely agree that this is prob what the "wet" status meant, little girls being innocent not knowing that it can have other meanings.

btw...sorry i said alice walker instead of alice waters...must have been the wine i was drinking last night. sorry if i confused anyone

i feel like its so hard not to get caught up in a lot of complicated theories for this case.  i feel like sometimes when we look too hard at things, we miss the answer.  i know that this is not true for every case, but i feel like in this case it is.  i know i mostly read here and don't do too much research on my own, i tend to read what others say and form my own opinions. but when i take a step back and look at the information that we do have (which isn't much unfortunately) i really truly think that this was an abduction by someone in town that she prob recognized, and i think this person unfortunately took her out of town and buried her body in a wooded area.  all of these poeple that are telling lies behind the scenes and not helping physically with the searches in mccleary are just trying to muddy the waters in my opinion and are sicko's getting some kind of thrill about giving fake information that sends people on wild goose chases, thats a sign of a personality disorder if you ask me.
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« Reply #366 on: September 07, 2009, 04:38:16 PM »

I agree with you Sunshine there are too many people spreading lies... But why?
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« Reply #367 on: September 07, 2009, 04:55:27 PM »

I agree with you Sunshine there are too many people spreading lies... But why?

sometimes people lie because they are hiding things, other people just lie because they want to feel important and feel like they have information that no one else could have. lie telling and having a grandoise way of thinking can be a sign of bipolar disorder, amongst other things.
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« Reply #368 on: September 07, 2009, 05:36:06 PM »

This is amazing and sad.The FBI isn't always right.

Part # 1


Missing Ore. City girls: Was the FBI too slow?Transcript from Dateline NBC 08:44 PM PST on Friday, January 27, 2006 By Keith Morrison, NBC News Correspondent
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Excerpts: Dateline NBC examines Ward Weaver case
OREGON CITY -- It was evening, dark and cold, in this suburb of Portland, when the call came in to a 911 dispatcher. A mother was reporting a missing daughter. During her 911 call, the immediate assumption was that 12 year old must be a runaway. So began the long strange tale of what happened to Ashley Pond. It began not with a bang, but a whimper, as it dawned on a young mother what terrors could lie ahead.
Lori Pond’s daughter, Ashley, had simply vanished— gone, or so it seemed on her way to school in the town of Oregon City in January 2002.
Linda O’Neal, relative: It was very upsetting. A 12-year-old child had disappeared, you know? This is a child! Linda O’Neal is a member of Ashley’s extended family; Linda’s husband was once married to Ashley’s grandmother. Not exactly a close relationship... but Linda certainly knew about Ashley.

Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent: How would you describe her as a little girl? Linda O’Neal: Well, she was kind of known as having an attitude…
But Linda was not just family; she was also a licensed private investigator. And, in those first days, her experience told her Ashley was probably okay.
O’Neal: My first thought would have been that she probably ran away.
Police in Oregon City apparently agreed. But then a whole week went by, no sign of Ashley anywhere. Runaways inevitably contact someone, but she didn’t. And now local officials, thinking “abduction,” called in the FBI.

Jim Redden, crime reporter for Portland Tribune: One of the problems with the case is that there was a wealth of suspects.

Jim Redden is a veteran crime reporter for the Portland Tribune. Ashley, he soon learned, had disappeared from an apartment complex that was a "mulligan stew" of troubled souls.

Redden: It had a lot of welfare cases. It had a number of mentally ill people that would be placed there by the county. There were a lot of single mothers who attracted a lot of really bad boyfriends.

In fact police searching for suspects found no fewer than 90 sex offenders living within a mile of the complex. One possible suspect was Ashley’s own biological father. He’d been convicted of sexually abusing her during one of her visits.
Had he taken her? And if not him, who?

As weeks passed, a terrible realization began to set in around town. Ashley’s little group of best friends knew it, and everybody seemed to sense it— something awful had happened to Ashley.

A friend of Ashley’s, Miranda Gaddis, was interviewed by a TV reporter, not knowing that fate had its eye on her too.

Miranda Gaddis (in TV interview prior to her death): It’s really hard to believe that happened to one of your friends or something. It’s just really different and really sad.

In the weeks that followed, the task force would chase hundreds of leads.They would, according to newspaper reports, watch Ashley’s mother, and her mom’s boyfriend. Investigators even began tailing a couple of male neighbors from the apartments. No one, it seemed, knew anything. It was as if Ashley Pond had disappeared into thin air.

And then, two months after Ashley disappeared, the girl interviewed by a reporter, Ashley Pond’s friend Miranda unbelievably, turned up missing too. Two girls vanished from the same apartment complex. They went to the same school, and were even on the same dance team! Both vanished, within 8 weeks of one another.

O’Neal: When the second girl disappeared, it caused panic, absolute panic. They were afraid that there was a serial killer among them.

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Ward Weaver is escorted into a courtroom by deputies following his arrest.
MEETING WARD WEAVER
In this suburb of Portland, everyone could feel the chill. The disappearance of 13-year-old Miranda Gaddis was a sickening reminder of the way 12-year-old Ashley Pond vanished 2 months before. Now, the FBI ramped up its investigation, and called in scores of agents.

Soon more than 60 of them were working on the case. A true task force was assigned to find the answers about Ashley and Miranda.

Private investigator Linda O’Neal began to turn down other work to work on this case full time. It was a little crazy, maybe, given the size of the official investigation, but Linda felt a real family connection with Ashley. This was personal.

Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent: What made you think that you could help solve this crime? Linda O’Neal: Well, the FBI would say “We have no suspects, we have no crime scene, and we have no clues,” so it appeared that they needed a little help.

But where to start? Suspects were no problem, narrowing it down was.
Some on the list: A former neighbor on the wrong end of a restraining order taken out by an ex-girlfriend, Miranda’s father once convicted of abusing two minor girls. And that was just for starters. So Linda decided to start with a name she’d heard from Ashley’s aunt.

O’Neal: I asked, “Who are the people in Ashley’s life?” And she told me about Ward Weaver.

Ward Weaver as a neighbor, and a family friend, whose home was right next to the apartment complex in which Ashley and her mother lived. In fact, Weaver had been interviewed on television too…

Ward Weaver (during TV interview prior to his arrest): That little girl took off, I wholeheartedly believe that.

Weaver did have a criminal record for assault, but it had been 16 years before. Now, he seemed like a hard-working single father raising a daughter Ashley’s age. And police had already checked out his alibi and sent several teams of officers and dogs to search his house and property. They found nothing. And after all, there were so many suspects.

Morrison: Why would Ward Weaver stand out in that group? O’Neal: Because Ashley had complained that he had sexually molested her.

And yet, as Linda learned, those allegations had apparently been investigated. And no charges had been filed.

But she decided to run a computer check on Weaver and she was stunned!
O’Neal: I get this information Ward Weaver is on death row! Morrison: Death row? But you’ve got ward weaver in your town!? O’Neal: This fellow on death row for serial murder was Ward Weaver’s father!

Strange, but true: Weaver’s father had been on California's death row for two decades. But surely just having a father who was a killer wasn’t reason enough to suspect the son?
Was it?


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« Reply #369 on: September 07, 2009, 05:37:37 PM »

Part # 2

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

Then, just about the time Linda was contemplating that question, a second private investigator offered to help: Harry Oakes. Oakes was a bit of a maverick who runs a for profit search and rescue center. And this is his partner was a 12-year-old pound rescued mutt named Valerie.

Many police departments don’t like him, says Oakes, and don’t use him. But in this case he waived his fee, did some background work, showed the dog some of Ashley’s clothing, and went to work.

Harry Oakes, private search dog handler: The track led from the apartment complex up the road, the staircase, to Ward’s property.
That name again. Harry, with his Valerie now excited and on the chase, knocked at Weaver’s door and asked for permission to search the house.

Harry Oakes: He said, “I don’t have any problem with you searching, they’ve already brought in 7 different search dog teams. I have nothing to hide.” During the search of the house she gave me a death alert of Ashley’s scent in Ward’s hallway.

Morrison: Did Valerie alert anywhere else? Oakes: Yes. When we went outside to the back area, there was a slab that had been poured.
Morrison: A concrete slab?
Oakes: A concrete slab. And where the slab met with the grass, the dirt where they came together, my dog was smelling Ashley’s scent coming out of there.
Morrison: Did you call 911?
Oakes: I made a report and turned it into Oregon City police department.
A record of Harry’s report shows it was indeed turned in to police on March 20th, less than two weeks after Miranda disappeared.
Morrison: Was there any reaction from the police?
Oakes: They basically ignored us.
Morrison: What about the FBI?
Oakes: Ignored us.
But not long after, Harry’s report found its way to the desk of private eye Linda O’Neal.
Morrison: What did his report say to you as an investigator?
O’Neal: It said “red flag.” His dog had alerted a death alert over a freshly poured concrete slab in our Ward Weaver’s backyard.
And something about that slab resonated with Linda: Remember, when she was digging into the background of Ward Weaver’s father, the serial killer on death row? She found out what he had done with one of his victims.
O’Neal: He buried her in the middle of his backyard. And then covered it with concrete.
Morrison: A concrete slab?
O’Neal: Yes.
And Linda’s suspicions were about to grow. Over the next few weeks, teachers, dance coaches, and even Weaver’s ex-wives would tell her stories of disturbing and inappropriate behavior. There was the teacher who saw Weaver drop off Ashley at school, and here was a man in his late 30s locked in a passionate kiss with 12-year-old Ashley. There was the family friend who said Ashley spent weeks at a time at Weaver’s house, often sleeping in his bed, with him. There was the girlfriend who said that Weaver was angry with Miranda because she had been telling girls in the neighborhood to “Stay away from Weaver’s house, he might molest you.” By June, Ashley now gone six months, and Miranda, three months. The story had hit the cover of People Magazine. But it seemed to reporters that the FBI wasn’t anywhere close to closing the case.

Jim Redden, reporter for Portland Tribune: It was very much [like], “We have a range of suspects, maybe six to eight different men. The entire impression I got was that they had not in fact, focused on any particular individual.”
The reporter didn’t know it, but he was about to play a key role in the case.
And Linda O’Neal says she was about to get the scare of her life, returning home one day to see her son working on his car with a stranger.

O’Neal: I came face to face with Ward Weaver.
Morrison: And he’s with your son?
O’Neal: He’s with my son.
Morrison: What did he say to you?
O’Neal: He said, “Kids are so naive aren’t they?” And I said, “Mr. Weaver, I don’t think that my family is any of your business.” And he said, “Ms. O’Neal, that’s what I came here to tell you.”
O’Neal: I dug out my gun and loaded it, and put it in my purse.
Morrison: Did you really think he might be capable of coming after you or your family?
O’Neal: I had thought he was capable of anything.
CALLING THE FBI TO NO AVAIL

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FBI agents stand by as search dogs are brought onto the property of Ward Weaver in Oregon City as investigators searched the one-acre lot Saturday, Aug. 24, 2002.
By June 2002, Ashley Pond had been missing for six months and Miranda Gaddis, for three.
All of Oregon City seemed to be clinging to faint hope: their dance team, their mothers, the whole community.

Lori Pond: We can’t wrap our arms around them. Whoever did this took that away from us and hopefully they’re going to give our babies back so we can do that again.
FBI canines were dispatched once again to sniff around the apartment complex where the girls lived. Even Weaver’s house, but apparently found nothing. An FBI spokesman continued to insist the agency had “no suspects,” and “virtually no clues.”

But this private eye disagreed.

Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent: You must’ve been going nuts! Linda O’Neal, private eye: I couldn’t think of anything else.
Remember, Linda O’Neal, was part of Ashley’s extended family, and had been working the case for months. And she believed the FBI should by now have focused on Ward Weaver, a 39-year-old single father who lived in a house near the apartments.
O’Neal: I was getting very upset and nervous about what was going to happen next. Who was going to be next?
Linda thought it was time to take what she knew to the FBI.
Morrison: Did the FBI understand that you were a recognized private investigator who was calling them?
O’Neal: Yes.
Morrison: What did he say to you?
O’Neal: He said, “We really don’t need help from private investigators, you know. We’re the FBI and we really don’t think that Ward Weaver is a suspect.” Morrison: How did you feel when you got off the phone?
O’Neal: Devastated!
Still whatever happened on that call got Linda so mad, so angry, and so hurt, that she got in touch with Portland Tribute reporter Jim Redden.
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« Reply #370 on: September 07, 2009, 05:39:39 PM »

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Jim Redden, Portland Tribute reporter: She thought that she had legitimate information that they should be interested in, and they weren’t responding the way she thought they should. She said, “Have you ever heard of Ward Weaver”? And at that point, I had not heard of Ward Weaver.
The private eye and the reporter came up with a plan: A surprise interview of Weaver. So the reporter got up early one Sunday morning and drove to Weaver’s house, knocked on the door and wonder of wonders, Ward Weaver invited him in for an interview that would lift law enforcement’s “shroud of secrecy” on the case, and put one suspect in the spotlight for the very first time.

Morrison: Did he seem to you at all like a potentially sociopathic killer?
Redden: He really seemed like a very normal kind of guy. The more he talked, the more nervous he got and that’s when he said, “I’m the FBI’s prime suspect.” Morrison: What was your feeling as you sat there next to the man?
Redden: Well, he was coming across to me as sort of honest and candid…
The reporter’s gut feeling put Linda back on her heels.
O’Neal: Jim Redden said to me, "You know, he seems like an okay guy." Morrison: Maybe you were the crazy one!
O’Neal: It sort of was looking that way!
But the reporter wrote the article, putting Ward Weaver’s name in print for the first time. Weaver was now the center of attention, and he seemed to be enjoying it. He even appeared on national television, saying “She’s better off hiding out wherever she’s found a place to live.”
And just days later, what did the local police and the FBI and local police do? They launched a huge raid, executing a search warrant, towing away vehicles that might contain suspicious materials, and informing the target of all this attention that he’d failed a polygraph test.
The surprise? Well, the surprise was in the man’s name: It was not Ward Weaver.
It was another prime suspect, a neighbor of the girls, who denied any role in the murders, said he’d been interviewed five or six times. He was questioned about a camping trip he took the day Miranda disappeared. And his friends had been warned to stay away from him.
What no one knew is that the big break was about to occur. And it would come, not from the FBI task force, or local police. But from a woman, a teenager at the time, who’s never before spoken about what happened to her— or how she somehow found the strength to survive.

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Flowers and a sign hang on a fence surrounding the house of Ward Weaver on Aug. 25, 2002 in Oregon City.
A LEAD FROM A VICTIM
By August, seven months had passed since Ashley Pond disappeared; more than 4 months since Miranda Gaddis vanished. Still, Oregon City police and the FBI appeared to the public to be no closer to an arrest, even though neighbor Ward Weaver had told whoever would listen that he was the prime suspect.
And though Ashley’s step-grandmother Linda O’Neal firmly believed there was enough probable cause to search his property for the two bodies, police did not appear to her to be interested. No search warrant was asked for or issued.
By early August, Linda learned Weaver had apparently had enough media attention.
Linda O’Neal, step-grandmother and private eye: He told people he was going to Mexico or Idaho. He had emptied his entire house of all of his possessions..
But with his house empty, and apparently ready to move out of Oregon, Ward Weaver made a move that still mystifies everyone involved.
Randi Oneida, girlfriend of Ward Weaver’s son: He was a nice person to be around. He fooled people I guess.
Oneida is the girlfriend of Ward Weaver’s son, the mother of Ward’s grandchild. Never before has she revealed publicly what happened that day in August 2002 when at the age of 19, she got in a car with Weaver, a man she assumed she could trust.
Oneida: All the way to his house, he wasn’t acting different or anything.
Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent: And then you walked in the house, and.
Oneida: That’s when he snapped. That’s when I noticed a different face.
He threw her to the floor, tore off her clothing, and raped her. She couldn’t talk about the worst of it, she said. Her body seemed to stiffen at the memory.
Morrison: Do you remember the look in his eye?
Oneida: He was possessed. It wasn’t him. It looked like satan inside of him, but the second he stood up off of me, his face went back to normal.
Morrison: And then you ran?
Oneida: Yeah, I pushed him with my feet, pushed him back, and I ran.
On the way out, she grabbed a tarp covering the concrete slab in Ward’s backyard. And then she ran naked and trembling after a savage sexual assault— into the street, where she flagged down a passing car. And within hours, Ward Weaver was arrested, booked, and behind bars, charged with rape.

Portland Tribune reporter Jim Redden: That was the moment that I really thought, "This is the guy."
Linda O’Neal says she’d known it for months. She had known in her gut that Weaver was a violent man, who’d killed Ashley and Miranda. And they had him in custody now, for a violent rape, so she felt sure the FBI would move quickly to charge him in the disappearance of Ashley and Miranda.
Morrison: Once he was in custody was a search warrant issued for his property? O’Neal: There was a search conducted that had everything to do with the rape, with the crime that occurred that day, but then they took down the yellow crime tape and they left.
And without crime scene tape or a steady police presence, Weaver’s house became a kind of open house. After weeks of people seeing Weaver’s name in the papers, or seeing him on the news, sitting near that freshly poured concrete slab, and hearing of his arrest for rape, many of the locals had come to the same conclusion as Linda: What was the FBI waiting for?
In mid-August, in the days after Ward was arrested for raping his son’s girlfriend, protestors gathered at the property. They left their accusing signs lying around the unexamined back yard...
Morrison: How long was it between the time Ward Weaver was arrested, and the time somebody got a search warrant to look into his property?
O’Neal: Well, he was arrested August 13, and it was August 23 when they got the search warrant.
Then, with crowds gathering again as if they knew what was to come, the FBI showed up in force, erecting two white tents, bringing in dozens of agents and tons of equipment.
Hours later, there was the first discovery: a box, in a shed behind the house, with remains. The Oregon state medical examiner positively identified the remains of the discovered body of Miranda Gaddis.
The following day, there was another vigil and another discovery. Investigators finally dug up that concrete slab. It was the very spot at which that search dog had issued a “death alert” five months before.
And there beneath it, they found another body — Ashley Pond’s.
O’Neal: It was very sad news because I think you always hope, until there’s a body, you always have hope. And even though I always believed the bodies were there, the reality of it was difficult. These two beautiful young girls were gone forever.
During all those days, weeks, months, of anxiety and hope… the long investigation, the scores of officers, the bodies of the two little girls were right here all along in Ward Weaver’s backyard.
And Weaver himself? At first, claimed he had not a thing to do with it. But in the end, Ward Weaver, without explaining how or why, simply pleaded guilty and was sentenced to remain in prison for the rest of his life.
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At his sentencing, the judge said: “I think everyone probably shares in the hope that there is a special place in hell for people like you.”
How could Ward Weaver have gotten away with it for so long? And how could the FBI have seemed so, well, off? Especially when others seemed to have figured it all so neatly? There was sadness, yes, for the loss of those two girls— but also now, anger.
Redden: Our headline was “Why did it take so long?” And that was the question that we were trying to get answered. We still don’t know.
Although there’s no evidence that a faster investigation might have saved Ashley or Miranda—the question remained, what about Randi? The young woman whose presence of mind and physical strength in the face of rape— and maybe something worse— saved her own life?
Morrison: You know better than anybody else on earth what Ashley and Miranda went through.
Randi Oneida, Ward Weaver's victim: Uh-huh.
Morrison: If you hadn’t had the abilities you had, what would’ve happened to you?
Oneida: I would be exactly where Ashley and Miranda are.
Morrison: Are you angry?
Randi: Yeah, I’m very angry.
Morrison: What does that anger feel like?
Oneida: It’s anger, frustration that this happened to me. It could have been stopped, I really believe that it could have been stopped.
Morrison: Who could have prevented it?
Oneida: I think the FBI, the Oregon city police.
O’Neal: If they were watching Ward Weaver, how did he move all of his possessions out of his house, give notice, and rape, and almost kill one more girl?
How indeed? We wondered how the police and FBI would respond to allegations that they had taken too long or bungled their investigation. What could they say to this young woman?
FBI: 'A SUCCESSFUL INVESTIGATION

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The FBI's Special Agent in Charge, Charles Mathews, left, and Oregon City Police Chief, Gordon Huiras, as they announce the discovery of the bodies of Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis.
After all the waiting, the investigating, the discovery of the bodies of Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis, and the arrest and conviction of their killer, Ward Weaver— that’s when the questions really began. It was a question splashed in a banner headline: Why exactly had it taken so long?
And now, for the first time, police and the FBI agreed to answer their Portland critics. Were they in some away ashamed of their investigation?
Well, as a matter of fact, absolutely not.
Robert Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: This was a very, very successful investigation. Robert Jordan is special agent in charge of the FBI’s office in Portland. He came to Oregon city after murders were solved. The FBI, with the Oregon city police department, were the two agencies that made up the task force on this case, and they bristle at suggestions that they didn’t move as quickly as they should have.

Gordon Huiras, chief of Oregon City police department: The investigators involved were driven to solve that case. They put their heart and soul in that case. They would have arrested someone just as soon as they had probable cause to make an arrest in that case.

Keith Morrison, Dateline Correspondent: There are those who believe though that probable cause existed long before the rape of Randi Oneida.
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: People who were not associated with the investigation. People, like Linda O’Neal. She’s now co-written a book detailing her investigation, called ‘Missing: the Oregon City Girls.” Remember, it was Linda who said she called the FBI in June 2002, two months before Weaver’s arrest to outline what she said was solid circumstantial evidence that Weaver was the killer, and that the girls’ bodies were buried on his property. Information, it turns out, that was true. Linda says the FBI agent she spoke to wasn’t interested in her opinion. And reporter Jim Redden confirms Linda told him the same story.
But the head of Portland’s office now says no record of such a call exists.
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: The first and only documented contact our investigators had with the author was in March 27 and she said she had a tip she wanted to pass on. The tip was a psychic tip and that is the only documented contact this investigation had with the author.
No documents. But, we wondered, could an agent have spoken to Linda, heard her allegations about Ward Weaver, without keeping a full record of the call?
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: Absolutely. We had over 4,000 tips that came into us. But we had many people who wanted to tell us Ward Weaver did it, but all those people were interviewed, and none of those interviews provided us with a witness or something we could put in an affidavit for probable cause to arrest Mr. Weaver, or search his property.
The FBI says Weaver was always among the top three suspects, especially after flunking a polygraph.
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: Our polygrapher followed him out to his car, literally haranguing him, trying to get him to confess. He wouldn’t. This is the United States of America. We don’t have any physical ways to make somebody confess.
And so, the investigation continued, say police, until Weaver was arrested for raping Randi Oneida. And Weaver’s own sons came forward with incriminating information that allowed prosecutors and the task force to agree that finally, 10 days after the arrest, that they now had “probable cause” to search his property.
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: We were working an investigation, to try to a) find the girls, and if we couldn’t find them safe and alive, b) find out who did it. We did that. That’s a successful investigation.
Morrison: Is that what you’d say to Randi Oneida?
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: No, I don’t think I’d say that to Randi Oneida.
Morrison: What would you say to her?
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: She was at risk, no question about it. She was at risk from Ward Weaver.
As for Linda and her book, the task force has come out swinging. The FBI says the book is not credible, and points to an author’s note that tells of “reconstructed conversations,” “composites of characters” and the fact that some “names have been changed.”
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: The book is fictionalized, in some manner. So what’s fiction, what’s real, it’s hard to say.
Linda O’Neal, private investigator, author: Well, I was offended.
Linda says she made it quite clear that while some names and narrative details were altered.. her story is a true telling of events from her own perspective.
Morrison: Do they have some point? That it’s easy for you to say, “We could have moved quicker, but you weren’t part of the investigation, so how would you know what went on?”
O’Neal: I wasn’t part of their investigation. I was on my own, conducting my own investigation. And all I know is what I did and what I found out.
Should Ward Weaver have been stopped sooner than he was? The question, for Randi Oneida, is altogether too personal.
Morrison: What has he done to you?
Randi Oneida, Ward Weaver's victim: He’s ruined me. I really believe that they could have stopped him before he had gone as far as he did.
And around Oregon City, Oregon, the strange disconnect lingers: Bitterness among some who believe it took too long to solve the murder of two little girls; and among police, satisfaction for a job well done.

Editor's note: NBC News contacted Ashley Pond’s mother for comment. She said that she will be forever grateful to the FBI and all the police agencies who worked on the case, and that any criticism of their efforts is unfair.

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« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2009, 06:19:46 PM »

Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !
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« Reply #373 on: September 07, 2009, 06:30:58 PM »

Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !
I think he is the one that went with his search dogs to search.From his website:

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
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« Reply #374 on: September 07, 2009, 06:40:04 PM »

From Breanna and JenniferO at WS.......there is a strong possibility there will be a search in McCleary 9/12-9/13....at BearBower Park(meeting up)Please try and spread the word.

Originally Posted by JenniferO 
Email from KK:


Yes there is a search being planned for the 12th and 13th. I was hoping to know by now for sure where it was being held but no one has given me a solid answer. I believe though that it will be held at the park and most likely we will have to utilize the park and an RV.

M was down all day yesterday so I did not get the chance to talk to her but I did just send Linda an email so hopefully I will hear from her soon. If you don't mind you may want to send an email to M and see if she has talked to her uncle about showing up. - Sometimes she just needs a little push or reminder to keep her on track unfortunately though it doesn't seem to work when I do it. Did she give you her card with email? If you didn't get one of them with her email address on it her email addy is <email removed by me> - that email was set up for everything related to Lindsey so it is the one checked regularly.

Let me know if I can help in any way. TTYS
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JenniferO wrote:
Unfortunately I personally will not be able to help out on the 12th. My daughter has a soccer game from 11 to around 2. That pretty much eats my whole day. I should be able to make it the 13th.

Breanna wrote:
To add to this Jenn, I just talked with Linda (Amber Dubois' aunt). She confirmed she is coming up here this weekend to help organize the search. It will be the 12th-13th and searcher's need to be at Beerbower Park by 9:00 am.

It would be nice if they could get a donated motor home to do paperwork etc., I'm looking into that for her.

Our conversation was short but she's going to get in touch again and throughout the week. I asked if there was a flyer regarding the search and she said either her or Kara will do one.

I know she doesn't have internet right now but she said she will try and get on and post and do some other stuff.

That's all I know right now. I don't know what they need or what they already have.

I'll try and get more information ASAP.

Maybe if some here are posters on other forums they could help spread the word. Hopefully there will be an official announcement and some information in the news outlets.

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« Reply #375 on: September 07, 2009, 08:55:01 PM »

From Breanna and JenniferO at WS.......there is a strong possibility there will be a search in McCleary 9/12-9/13....at BearBower Park(meeting up)Please try and spread the word.

Originally Posted by JenniferO 
Email from KK:


Yes there is a search being planned for the 12th and 13th. I was hoping to know by now for sure where it was being held but no one has given me a solid answer. I believe though that it will be held at the park and most likely we will have to utilize the park and an RV.

M was down all day yesterday so I did not get the chance to talk to her but I did just send Linda an email so hopefully I will hear from her soon. If you don't mind you may want to send an email to M and see if she has talked to her uncle about showing up. - Sometimes she just needs a little push or reminder to keep her on track unfortunately though it doesn't seem to work when I do it. Did she give you her card with email? If you didn't get one of them with her email address on it her email addy is <email removed by me> - that email was set up for everything related to Lindsey so it is the one checked regularly.

Let me know if I can help in any way. TTYS
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JenniferO wrote:
Unfortunately I personally will not be able to help out on the 12th. My daughter has a soccer game from 11 to around 2. That pretty much eats my whole day. I should be able to make it the 13th.

Breanna wrote:
To add to this Jenn, I just talked with Linda (Amber Dubois' aunt). She confirmed she is coming up here this weekend to help organize the search. It will be the 12th-13th and searcher's need to be at Beerbower Park by 9:00 am.

It would be nice if they could get a donated motor home to do paperwork etc., I'm looking into that for her.

Our conversation was short but she's going to get in touch again and throughout the week. I asked if there was a flyer regarding the search and she said either her or Kara will do one.

I know she doesn't have internet right now but she said she will try and get on and post and do some other stuff.

That's all I know right now. I don't know what they need or what they already have.

I'll try and get more information ASAP.

Maybe if some here are posters on other forums they could help spread the word. Hopefully there will be an official announcement and some information in the news outlets.

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Is M referring to Melissa Baum?

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« Reply #376 on: September 07, 2009, 09:02:22 PM »

I agree with you Sunshine there are too many people spreading lies... But why?

sometimes people lie because they are hiding things, other people just lie because they want to feel important and feel like they have information that no one else could have. lie telling and having a grandoise way of thinking can be a sign of bipolar disorder, amongst other things.

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« Reply #377 on: September 07, 2009, 09:23:10 PM »

Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so !
I think he is the one that went with his search dogs to search.From his website:

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.


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I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed

http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html

and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394

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« Reply #378 on: September 08, 2009, 02:56:51 AM »

Hi All,
I could be wrong but I don't think that the address that I gave DD has anything to do with what she is talking about. I have no idea as to the liars that she is referring either.
sebastian....so happy you are here ::(monkey hug)::  what are your thoughts on this?

Hi mamacrazy30!
Thank you! I am so happy to be here too! I am just wondering why the people closest to this case are not the ones conducting the searches. I think someone in McCleary has the answers but I don't understand why they have not come forward. If she was abducted while it was still light out, you would think that she would have put up a fight, and someone would have seen someone. I think she must have known the person that took her. I think the fact that the dogs did not come up with much is troubling too. I am not sure how it fits, but it does not make any sense at all.
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« Reply #379 on: September 08, 2009, 09:56:24 AM »

let me make this clear... when I say I confirmed this info about the dogs on 6th going to the house on cedar and the cedar house not searched, I confirmed that with two people who had the dog report, who know all about this house not searched, who know all about the dog trail, so there is no reason in the world I should not believe them.  right?
why should I not believe them? and if this is true, someone needs to do something about it. seems to be a lot of people don't believe this info, well, all I can say is, this is going to get very interesting
Doubledecker, do you know if it is a white house? Just wondering after Adam Campbell's strange messages.
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