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« Reply #820 on: September 14, 2009, 01:33:00 PM »

In the process of elimination ... why were polygraphs not requested from Melissa Baum, Kara Kampen and Scott Williams within the 24 hours period IMMEDIATELY following the disappearance of this 10 year old little girl.  Kara and Scott witnessed Lindsey leave their residence on her way home to home where her mom would be waiting.

 

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« Reply #821 on: September 14, 2009, 01:33:49 PM »

So sorry for not  updating sooner... I know I have been off for a while but not out of the Lindsey case. My friend and I helped others hold a teen dance to raise money for the search of Lindsey. I really have had no time with school and dance starting. I just want you to know I am always thinking of new things I can do to help bring Sweet Lindsey home.
Very thoughtful and appreciated, thank-you  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #822 on: September 14, 2009, 01:34:35 PM »

In the process of elimination ... why were polygraphs not requested from Melissa Baum, Kara Kampen and Scott Williams within the 24 hours period IMMEDIATELY following the disappearance of this 10 year old little girl.  Kara and Scott witnessed Lindsey leave their residence on her way home to home where her mom would be waiting.

 

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« Reply #823 on: September 14, 2009, 02:21:16 PM »

That is a great question Janet 
Why haven't all involved taken the LD test ?

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« Reply #824 on: September 14, 2009, 02:57:03 PM »

It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.         

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says. 
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« Reply #825 on: September 14, 2009, 03:00:36 PM »

It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.         

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says. 


i mentioned in the above KKs 'husband'.  Not sure if Scott is her husband or boyfriend.. but that's who I was referring to. 
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« Reply #826 on: September 14, 2009, 03:03:46 PM »

It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.         

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says. 

I feel the exact same way, well I don't drive much, so I guess if anything comes up like that and I'm in the same position as KK I guess I won't take one either. That's how silly that seems to me.
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« Reply #827 on: September 14, 2009, 03:10:39 PM »

It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.         

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says. 

I feel the exact same way, well I don't drive much, so I guess if anything comes up like that and I'm in the same position as KK I guess I won't take one either. That's how silly that seems to me.

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« Reply #828 on: September 14, 2009, 03:18:02 PM »

The fact is LE is not reporting who has or has not taken the LDT, other than reporting that MelissaB and Scott took it.
There are sources on the internet to verify this, including but not limited to, a radio program in which Undersheriff Rick Scott spoke on what is and is not public knowledge and why.
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"Well at this point because this is an ongoing criminal investigation, Im not at liberty to discuss just how many people weve polygraphed or what the results of that might be . . ."

want more information, Undersheriff Rick Scott " . . . Weve got the Lindsey Baum tip line, theres a dedicated e-mail address that you can use that will, its on our website if they go to greys county service departments website . . ."
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« Reply #829 on: September 14, 2009, 03:24:20 PM »

Initially, IIRC LE was looking for a vehicle . . . consequently . . .
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No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

because it is an ongoing investigation, there are some people close to the investigation who have been asked not to reveal everything they know as this may help the perp to avoid being arrested.
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« Reply #830 on: September 14, 2009, 03:45:11 PM »

Hmmmmm... Thanks Sister! 
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« Reply #831 on: September 14, 2009, 03:48:57 PM »

Hmmmmm... Thanks Sister! 


In deed Wyks, you be quite welcome!
I too wish LE would be a little more forthcoming, however, if it would jeopardize finding Lindsey and bringing her home, I try to understand even when I don't like it.  It does get frustrating and confusing.
 
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« Reply #832 on: September 14, 2009, 04:56:06 PM »

Hmmmmm... Thanks Sister! 


In deed Wyks, you be quite welcome!
I too wish LE would be a little more forthcoming, however, if it would jeopardize finding Lindsey and bringing her home, I try to understand even when I don't like it.  It does get frustrating and confusing.
 

Yeppers, definitely frustrating!!  Seems the more we hear, the more confusing it all becomes.  I just wanna know what LE knows.  Be a lil fly on the wall or some such.  But yeah, wouldn't want to have anything jeopardized.  Sigh. 

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« Reply #833 on: September 14, 2009, 05:38:29 PM »

The fact is LE is not reporting who has or has not taken the LDT, other than reporting that MelissaB and Scott took it.

There are sources on the internet to verify this, including but not limited to, a radio program in which Undersheriff Rick Scott spoke on what is and is not public knowledge and why.
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"Well at this point because this is an ongoing criminal investigation, Im not at liberty to discuss just how many people weve polygraphed or what the results of that might be . . .

want more information, Undersheriff Rick Scott " . . . Weve got the Lindsey Baum tip line, theres a dedicated e-mail address that you can use that will, its on our website if they go to greys county service departments website . . ."

Sister ... I would appreciate for my records if you could provide the publication/radio source of the above statement.  I did attempt to find the source myself by googling but ... nothing.

If Rick Scott has implied that there were more polygraph of persons of interest in the Lindsey Baum case ... it is definitely assurance that the investigation is ongoing behind the scenes.

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« Reply #834 on: September 14, 2009, 05:43:37 PM »

One last post.  This is what I think probably took place by reading earlier posts and questions.  Original plan was for Josh and Lindsey to walk Kala home, then Josh and Lindsey would walk back home together.  Safety in numbers.  This would explain why Lindsey left her phone and PJ's home.  Also why they never called first to see if Lindsey could stay overnight.  No plan to stay overnight.  However, on the way, Josh and Lindsey got into an argument and Josh was sent home.  Now only Kala and Lindsey.  Thinking like a 10 year old, I think they decided maybe Lindsey could stay overnight and she would not have walk home alone.  No, so Lindsey headed home.  She was only there a few minutes remember and it was getting late.  She had to get home before dark, so she would have taken the shortest route home.  Her plan would be down Maple, thru the Shell station and down Mommsen st. to home and safety.  Quickly as she was alone and it was late.  She was seen between 5th and 6th but not the Shell station video, so I believe what ever happened to her happened between 5th and 3rd street.  A two block area.  I think she may have been picked up by someone she trusted to give her a ride home.  Being alone, late and 10, she definately would be somewhat afraid.  It is a fairly long walk.  Five blocks looks to be pretty far.  Does anybody know if there is a standard for block length or is it like grave sites.  A hundred years ago a grave site was twice the size of them now.  Land didn't matter.  I walk 5 blocks frequently and it seems to be a lot shorter than a Mccleary block.  Maybe just an illusion because of open lots.  I have a theory of what happened next involving a quad or MC, but will remain quit as it seems to be pretty far out.  I do feel pretty strongly about what the kids planned that night.  Any thought?  I hope I am not out of line, if so let me know.  Shortcake
The way KaraK tells it is:
1)KaraK's daughter,Kayla,stayed the night at Lindsey's Thursday night.
2)Lindsey and Kayla was going to ask if Kayla could stay again Friday night.
3)Josh,Lindsey and Kayla were arguing about the bike on the way to KaraK's home,left bike at Shell station and all 3 continued walking to KaraK's house but still arguing about the left bike.
4)Family friend saw kids arguing,sent Josh home then texted(from JenniferO at WS)Melissa Baum and told her about the fight and she was sending Josh home,Melissa agreed that Josh should be sent home.
5)After Josh was sent home the girls kept walking to KaraK's house and on the way decided to ask instead if Lindsey could stay at Kayla's that night(Friday).
6)KaraK said no to Lindsey staying and said the girls acted like it didn't matter because they really wanted Lindsey to stay Saturday night.
7)Lindsey headed home.
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« Reply #835 on: September 14, 2009, 05:47:22 PM »

So sorry for not  updating sooner... I know I have been off for a while but not out of the Lindsey case. My friend and I helped others hold a teen dance to raise money for the search of Lindsey. I really have had no time with school and dance starting. I just want you to know I am always thinking of new things I can do to help bring Sweet Lindsey home.
Good to see you MadiBabe.
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« Reply #836 on: September 14, 2009, 05:54:09 PM »

It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.         

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says. 

I feel the same....KaraK could walk the couple of blocks down to the police station and it wouldn't even be as long as the walk Lindsey had going home from her house.
I think the reason KaraK gave for not taking the poly,the no driving thing,was meant because whoever took Lindsey must have driven her out of town.ICBW though.I still say all the adults around Lindsey should have taken a poly whether they drive or not and whether they are male or female.
As far as I know only Melissa Baum and Scott Williams have taken the test.
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« Reply #837 on: September 14, 2009, 06:04:17 PM »

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« Reply #838 on: September 14, 2009, 07:07:20 PM »

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When it is considered that Kara claims to have volunteered to take a polygraph ... logic dictates that ... in the process of elimination ... LE/FBI would be at her door with a vehicle offering to drive her to the police station.

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« Reply #839 on: September 14, 2009, 07:15:09 PM »

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When it is considered that Kara claims to have volunteered to take a polygraph ... logic dictates that ... in the process of elimination ... LE/FBI would be at her door with a vehicle offering to drive her to the police station.

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True,now I suppose we'll hear she either did offer to take it but LE said no or that she did already take one.   
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