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« Reply #760 on: August 14, 2009, 04:36:09 PM »


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« Reply #761 on: August 14, 2009, 04:42:58 PM »

Well I am off to my dad's for the weekend...he lives on a lake in Michigan and I have invited up some friends.  There is going to be 20 adults 12 kids under the age of 11 and 2 dogs!  I have no kids...one of the dogs is mine...I'm giong to stop and Walmart and see if I can buy some patience    

Hopefully I come back in one piece between the boating activities, jet skiis & alcoholic beverages! But you can prepare the "sore as heck" monkey for my return    

Have a safe & lovely weekend Monkeys   an angelic monkey 
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« Reply #762 on: August 14, 2009, 04:50:40 PM »

I guess I can see the issue - but sometimes I think people are toooooooo sensitive.  But, I want one just cause I think they are cute as can be!!!!!!! 
http://www.huliq.com/3257/84913/controversial-lil-monkey-doll-removed-costco

What do you guys think?  They are so us (SM"S) our dolls or offensive?

I had to really think on this one.... it could be looked at as racist since the term 'monkey' has been used to describe people of color in a derogatory manner. If the doll were Caucasian there would be no controversy. I wouldn't want it to be SM's mascot. I would prefer a little monkey, monkey doll!  JMO
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« Reply #763 on: August 14, 2009, 04:52:03 PM »

Well I am off to my dad's for the weekend...he lives on a lake in Michigan and I have invited up some friends.  There is going to be 20 adults 12 kids under the age of 11 and 2 dogs!  I have no kids...one of the dogs is mine...I'm giong to stop and Walmart and see if I can buy some patience    

Hopefully I come back in one piece between the boating activities, jet skiis & alcoholic beverages! But you can prepare the "sore as heck" monkey for my return    

Have a safe & lovely weekend Monkeys   an angelic monkey 

Sounds like fun!  Have a wonderful weekend!  Got the heat rub waiting for you!!
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« Reply #764 on: August 14, 2009, 05:03:59 PM »

I guess I can see the issue - but sometimes I think people are toooooooo sensitive.  But, I want one just cause I think they are cute as can be!!!!!!! 
http://www.huliq.com/3257/84913/controversial-lil-monkey-doll-removed-costco

What do you guys think?  They are so us (SM"S) our dolls or offensive?
Offensive! 
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« Reply #765 on: August 14, 2009, 05:13:09 PM »

Have a great weekend Leroy 
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« Reply #766 on: August 14, 2009, 06:37:27 PM »

Well I am off to my dad's for the weekend...he lives on a lake in Michigan and I have invited up some friends.  There is going to be 20 adults 12 kids under the age of 11 and 2 dogs!  I have no kids...one of the dogs is mine...I'm giong to stop and Walmart and see if I can buy some patience    

Hopefully I come back in one piece between the boating activities, jet skiis & alcoholic beverages! But you can prepare the "sore as heck" monkey for my return    

Have a safe & lovely weekend Monkeys   an angelic monkey 

Have fun Leroy.   
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« Reply #767 on: August 14, 2009, 06:50:19 PM »

DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER TONIGHT!  AT 9PM ET!

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« Reply #768 on: August 14, 2009, 07:51:18 PM »

I guess I can see the issue - but sometimes I think people are toooooooo sensitive.  But, I want one just cause I think they are cute as can be!!!!!!! 
http://www.huliq.com/3257/84913/controversial-lil-monkey-doll-removed-costco

What do you guys think?  They are so us (SM"S) our dolls or offensive?

I had to really think on this one.... it could be looked at as racist since the term 'monkey' has been used to describe people of color in a derogatory manner. If the doll were Caucasian there would be no controversy. I wouldn't want it to be SM's mascot. I would prefer a little monkey, monkey doll!  JMO

You know the funny thing is, like many dolls it came in Caucasian, African American and Hispanic.  I do understand those deep wounds, but seems it was not intended that way, and even Costco bought it as an exclusive for their stores - seems it would have had to not offended a lot of eyes to get to the shelves, right?  I bet someone has been fired for this.  From what I have seen (HLN ran story today) that would be sad. 
It is sad also that the wounds of racism are still open and hurting in 2009.

I do think our toy line would sell good though...   
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« Reply #769 on: August 14, 2009, 08:48:18 PM »

 ...Well, here I am...I was invited by Mytime last night to join in, and....no one is here! And I had to fight with my daughter for my cord to get here.. 

Oh well...I'll come back later I guess..   
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« Reply #770 on: August 14, 2009, 08:58:12 PM »

DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER TONIGHT!  AT 9PM ET!



Show starts in about 4 minutes.  Click on the link below:

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/radio.m3u
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« Reply #771 on: August 14, 2009, 09:25:24 PM »

...Well, here I am...I was invited by Mytime last night to join in, and....no one is here! And I had to fight with my daughter for my cord to get here.. 

Oh well...I'll come back later I guess..   

Hey Gizzie - sorry I missed you.  Keep trying, when a group of us get in here, it can be a hoot!!!!
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« Reply #772 on: August 14, 2009, 09:42:27 PM »

...Well, here I am...I was invited by Mytime last night to join in, and....no one is here! And I had to fight with my daughter for my cord to get here.. 

Oh well...I'll come back later I guess..   

Gizzie I am sorry no one was hear...I was reading some material a friend sent me.
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« Reply #773 on: August 14, 2009, 10:26:58 PM »

Mytime...are you in the rafters!!
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« Reply #774 on: August 14, 2009, 11:10:53 PM »

Calling Out the Muse Crew


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« Reply #775 on: August 14, 2009, 11:37:09 PM »

I guess I can see the issue - but sometimes I think people are toooooooo sensitive.  But, I want one just cause I think they are cute as can be!!!!!!! 
http://www.huliq.com/3257/84913/controversial-lil-monkey-doll-removed-costco

What do you guys think?  They are so us (SM"S) our dolls or offensive?

WOW - well I looked and I read the article .. 
I think that the words " Lil Monkey" put upon the hat of a " Black or Dark Skinned Baby doll" would be very offensive to many. Why because for one its very difficult to find a Dark skinned baby doll period on any shelf - and then for them to put the words "Lil Monkey" on the hat of that doll ( as cute as she is) is offensive. To me anyway it is. I would think if I saw it first hand within a toy store or even a place like Costco - I would find it offensive. The doll is sweet and cute. But the verbage Yes - is offensive. Even if I saw it on a White or Asian Doll - Lil Monkey is just not appropriate.  I am thinking these dolls were made in China and they simply do not understand the stigma of the words Lil Monkey.
I think too since it is upon the baby dolls head - its even more so offensive. If the baby doll was wearing a bib and had a Monkey emblem on it and said " Lil Monkey" that would be totally acceptable. But basically what they are doing by Labeling the Dolls Head/hat as the doll is a little Monkey -and then putting it on a dark skinned doll - that is not right. Not right.  I would be offended if I was a black person. For all the years that little girls have had to except a blond haired blue eyed baby doll  - and have never had the option to have one that is of any other hair/eye color - that is racist too as far as I am thinking. 
I remember when I was little all my dolls were of the same - Blond blue eyed and I had no identification to them at all.  None. I remember the doll " I am sure Monkeys will remember her" she had a Head as big as a Cabbage - you pulled a string and her eye color would change.  Or the Crissy doll. She was tall and had Dark Auburn Hair and you could twist a button on her back and make her hair grow - Holy crap she has her own link.
http://collectdolls.about.com/od/dollprofiles/p/crissydoll.htm
Go Crissy 


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« Reply #776 on: August 14, 2009, 11:46:27 PM »

Mytime...are you in the rafters!!

I am here but I really am not!   

I have been in a reading mood and have been reading about Christine Sheddy!  I also have been reading about Mary Jo Buttafo's book.  Talk about denial!   

   I will stop by later.   
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« Reply #777 on: August 14, 2009, 11:59:07 PM »

I guess I can see the issue - but sometimes I think people are toooooooo sensitive.  But, I want one just cause I think they are cute as can be!!!!!!! 
http://www.huliq.com/3257/84913/controversial-lil-monkey-doll-removed-costco

What do you guys think?  They are so us (SM"S) our dolls or offensive?

WOW - well I looked and I read the article .. 
I think that the words " Lil Monkey" put upon the hat of a " Black or Dark Skinned Baby doll" would be very offensive to many. Why because for one its very difficult to find a Dark skinned baby doll period on any shelf - and then for them to put the words "Lil Monkey" on the hat of that doll ( as cute as she is) is offensive. To me anyway it is. I would think if I saw it first hand within a toy store or even a place like Costco - I would find it offensive. The doll is sweet and cute. But the verbage Yes - is offensive. Even if I saw it on a White or Asian Doll - Lil Monkey is just not appropriate.  I am thinking these dolls were made in China and they simply do not understand the stigma of the words Lil Monkey.
I think too since it is upon the baby dolls head - its even more so offensive. If the baby doll was wearing a bib and had a Monkey emblem on it and said " Lil Monkey" that would be totally acceptable. But basically what they are doing by Labeling the Dolls Head/hat as the doll is a little Monkey -and then putting it on a dark skinned doll - that is not right. Not right.  I would be offended if I was a black person. For all the years that little girls have had to except a blond haired blue eyed baby doll  - and have never had the option to have one that is of any other hair/eye color - that is racist too as far as I am thinking. 
I remember when I was little all my dolls were of the same - Blond blue eyed and I had no identification to them at all.  None. I remember the doll " I am sure Monkeys will remember her" she had a Head as big as a Cabbage - you pulled a string and her eye color would change.  Or the Crissy doll. She was tall and had Dark Auburn Hair and you could twist a button on her back and make her hair grow - Holy crap she has her own link.
http://collectdolls.about.com/od/dollprofiles/p/crissydoll.htm
Go Crissy 




Deenie - now that you explain it to me, I see why the gentleman on TV got so upset.  To me, I saw a cute doll - with a monkey toy.  Something Caylee would have loved as she loved monkeys.  I didn't get the connection to the spelling of the Lil  -- and your point of the placement of the words - Yeah, I totally see it now. 
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« Reply #778 on: August 15, 2009, 12:03:34 AM »

Denial  - hah
this song popped into my head  -    (( I love this song))

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« Reply #779 on: August 15, 2009, 12:08:27 AM »

Hi ANJ and Ms Mytime

Was waiting on the Muse Crew to show 

Ms ANJ (( its only my opinion about the doll)) I appreciate your words in reply
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