Fathima Rifqa Bary, 16 from New Albany, OH

[joesamas mama]

I wonder what happened that LE is now questioning her story?

No Rose, I don't know why LE is questioning her story. If she did convert, the Koran/Quran says that apostates must be given the chance to go back to Islam and if not they should be killed. I can get you the verses if you want me to.

It could be that she was being abused at home, as is often the case. Unfortunately I believe she will be sent back home to either be abused or be murdered. JMO JSM  I pray she is safe forever.

  Well lets hope she isn't sent home.

I hope she isn't sent home, but she will be. 

[joesamas mama]

Father Denies Threatening Daughter Over Religious Conversion
Wednesday,  August 12, 2009 6:08 PM
Updated: Wednesday,  August 12, 2009 6:54 PM

NEW ALBANY, Ohio — A father denied accusations Wednesday that he threatened to kill his teenage daughter because she converted to Christianity.

Rifqa Bary, 17, is in protective custody in Florida and has refused to return home after making the allegations that her father, a Muslim, would kill her, 10TV's Cara Connelly reported.

Her father, Mohamed Bary, said those claims were not true.

"Not at all," he said. "It is completely false. Honestly, it is not my daughter who is speaking. I feel that she has been coached to say these things."

He said his daughter is being coached by Pastor Blake Lorenz, who leads Global Revolution Church in Orlando.

Rifqa said she met Lorenz over Facebook and ran to him and his wife for help. She has since expressed her desire to stay with the family, telling reporters in Florida that she believes her father would kill her.

"If they love God more than me then they have to kill me," Rifqa said.

Family members said they would never harm Rifqa. Her older brother, Rilyan, said the accusations of violence came up only after his sister met Lorenz.

"You also saw in the video someone is patting her on the back and saying good job," Rilyan said. "She's definitely been told what to doIt's not even her. She's not even making eye contact in the video. What does that tell you?"
A judge in Florida has ruled that Rifqa be placed with Children Services.

She is allowed supervised visits with Lorenz and her father.

Lorenz did not return 10TV's phone calls seeking comment on Wednesday, Connelly reported.
http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/stories/2009/08/12/story_bary.html?type=rss&cat=&sid=102
video
http://columbusdispatch.a.mms.mavenapps.net/mms/rt/1/site/columbusdispatch-x10tv-pub01-live/current/launch.html?playerId=10tvmain&referralPlaylistId=e07aeec746ba418844f894bd897902c46281ff98&referralParentPlaylistId=20a712fba28b4c9da4e8b8c091297a019f5a7f06&referralObject=8130515&referrer=copylink

Oh how I wish I could snip things on here. What I bolded in red is what I am gonna comment on...

Islam Said said Sarah and Amina were not killed by their father. WTH ever. I don't trust the brother, the father, the mother, the aunts, the uncles or the neighbors to look after this little girl.

So Fathima was being patted on the back, good for the guy that was patting her on the back.

I drive by every day a place where two beautiful girls were killed because their dad decided to end their lives and he was helped by someone to get away quickly. Neighbor, Son, Mother, IDK. All I can say is good for the judge to look into this further. Too bad Sarah and Amina didn't have that chance. JMO JSM

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.wesh.com/news/20384622/detail.html
Father Of Runaway Says Daughter Kidnapped By Cult
Fathima Bary Says Father Threatened Her After Christian Conversion

POSTED: 11:45 am EDT August 13, 2009
UPDATED: 12:45 pm EDT August 13, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- The father of a teenager who ran away to Florida to escape what she said was religious persecution said his daughter is the victim of a cult.

Fathima Bary, 17, left her home in Ohio and went to Central Florida to join a Christian group she met on Facebook. Bary, who is not a U.S. citizen, said she fears her family would hurt her, kill her or send her back to her native Sri Lanka because she converted to Christianity several years ago. A pastor took in the teenager and a judge granted the Department of Children and Families custody to keep her in temporary foster care.
Fathima's father, however, said her story is not true.

"My opinion is this, this is a cult group who kidnapped my daughter and took her away, and I expect that this should not happen to any other child," he said. "That's all I can tell you."

An Ohio police detective is also questioning the girl's story. Sgt. Jerry Cupp, head of the Columbus Police Department's missing persons' bureau, said the girl's father seems genuinely concerned and worried about his daughter.

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-runaway-convert-parents-081309,0,1973121.story
Runaway convert: Runaway teen convert's parents say they made no threats
The Muslim parents of an Ohio teen runaway who converted to Christianity did not threaten her, their lawyer said today.

Amy L. Edwards and Rene Stutzman Sentinel Staff Writers

2:57 p.m. EDT, August 13, 2009

The parents of an Ohio teen runaway who feared her Muslim family would harm her because of her religious conversion said they never threatened the girl, the family's court-appointed lawyer said today.

"They love their daughter," said Orlando attorney Craig McCarthy.

"They didn't do or say anything that would give her a reasonable fear that her dad was going to kill her."

The girl, who turned 17 on Monday, is at the center of a custody dispute in Orlando, where she sought help from a pastor and his wife several weeks ago.

The Orlando Sentinel is not identifying the teen because of her age.

Earlier this week, an Orange County Circuit Court Judge ordered the teen into the custody of the Department of Children and Families. The court has to resolve jurisdictional issues in her case, and another hearing is scheduled for next week.

The girl had been staying in Orlando with Blake and Beverly Lorenz, pastors of Global Revolution Church.
The Lorenz family appeared in court earlier this week with the girl, as did the teen's father. The girl, who seemed frail and frightened, clutched Blake Lorenz throughout the proceeding.

Earlier this week, the family said they met the girl through a prayer group on Facebook. They said the teen was essentially a stranger until she showed up in Orlando asking if she could come to their house.

The Lorenzes said the girl fears her family will harm or kill her because they learned she became a Christian.

McCarthy was appointed to represent the girl's mother, and spoke Thursday on behalf of both parents.

He said the family has yet to speak to their daughter -- who didn't want to talk to them during Monday's public hearing.

"They're really just sort of feeling like they don't know what's going on," he said. "They're just reeling."

McCarthy said the parents reported the teen missing immediately and didn't know where she was for weeks. The next time they saw the teen, she was in Orange County court clutching Blake Lorenz.

McCarthy also said the girl didn't tell anyone she was frightened while living with her parents.

Meanwhile, in Ohio, Eric Fenner, executive director of Franklin County Child Services, said Thursday that family members, in Columbus seem to be reasonable people, worried about a daughter who ran away three weeks ago and wound up with a family none of them knew.

His employees have talked to them, and his agency is ready to help re-unify the family, should the Florida judge send the child back to Ohio.

"The family has been very cooperative, appropriately concerned, as you can imagine. Their daughter has run away from home. She had changed from their religion to Christianity, but the family has expressed an interest in trying to work these things through," he said.

One of the biggest problems right now, he said, is that Florida authorities appear to be listening to the teenager but not her parents. That needs to change, he said.
If the girl were returned to Ohio and a judge determined it was safe to send her home, he said he would work to mend the rift in the family.

"I think what's best for this family is we provide assistance with a family therapist who can work to remediate those concerns and see if this family can be salvaged," Fenner said.

He added, "I've been in child welfare for 30 years. This is the very first case like this."

[no rose colored glasses]

Is it at all possible that both sides are at fault here and Fathima is caught in the middle? Some threats from the family and this Global Revolution Church brainwashing?

[joesamas mama]

Is it at all possible that both sides are at fault here and Fathima is caught in the middle? Some threats from the family and this Global Revolution Church brainwashing?

It could be possible this church is brainwashing her, but I don't trust this girls immediate or extended family. 

[pink angel]

Is it at all possible that both sides are at fault here and Fathima is caught in the middle? Some threats from the family and this Global Revolution Church brainwashing?

I think it's quite possible. If this church had concerns for her, they should not have took her in, they would have called LE when she showed up on their doorstep. That they didn't, causes me concern. She was a minor and a "runaway". Running away is illegal and they were harboring her.

It would be interesting to see any messages/emails they exchanged. Did they encourage her to flee?

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.wesh.com/index.html
Dad Says Runaway Daughter Is Brainwashed By Cult
Fathima Bary Says She Ran Away To Orlando To Escape Father

POSTED: 11:51 pm EDT August 13, 2009
UPDATED: 7:40 am EDT August 14, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- A teenager said she ran to Orlando to save her life, but her father said she's being brainwashed by a cult.

The 17-year-old girl said it's a case of life or death, but the decision may not be hers to make.

Fathima Bary converted to Christianity and said her Muslim father threatened to kill her for dishonoring the family. Her father is on the defense, while the Islamic Society of Central Florida said its faith doesn't condone murder and wonders if the religious runaway is nothing more than a troubled teen.

"It's completely false," said father Mohamed Bary. "Honestly, it's not my daughter who is speaking."

Mohamed Bary said he denies he ever threatened to kill his 17-year-old daughter for turning her back on the family's Muslim faith by becoming a Christian. He said he believes the Ohio girl fled to Florida last month after being brainwashed by the pastor of Global Revolution Church of Orlando, who she met on Facebook.

"This is a cult group who kidnapped my daughter and took her away," Mohamed Bary said.
The Rev. Blake Lorenz spoke with WESH 2 News earlier this week.

"She's just afraid for life," he said.

He's now out of the country on vacation, but by phone he said he didn't coerce Fathima Bary to change faiths.

"She has been a Christian for four years, long before we ever met her," he said.

Fathima Bary is in protective custody in Central Florida, but Lorenz said he believes she won't be safe if the court returns the religious runaway to her family. He said former Muslim followers call it an "honor killing."

"It says if you leave the Muslim faith and don't come back within a couple days you are to be killed," Lorenz said. "They showed me that in the Koran."

"There's no such thing as honor killing in the Koran," said Islamic Society of Central Florida President Imam Muhammad Musri.

Musri said, like Christians, Muslims believe killing someone is murder. He said, while there are extremists in every religion, he hopes Fathima Bary isn't hiding behind faith to find freedom.

"Is she a rebel teenager running away from home, or is she really in danger?" Musri said.
That's the question that the Department of Children and Families is asking. There's another custody hearing for Fathima Bary next Friday.

[trimmonthelake]

JSM,I posted in Fathima's thread.

[joesamas mama]

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/198429.php-This is part of the article....

Don't take my word for it. Here's what Islam Q&A has to say on the matter:

Why should a person who disbelieves after becoming Muslim be executed? The punishment for the apostate is execution. Why such harshness?.
Praise be to Allaah.

The punishment for apostasy from the religion of Islam is execution. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever”

[al-Baqarah 2:217]

And it was proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever changes his religion, execute him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh. What this hadeeth means is that whoever leaves Islam and changes to another religion and persists in that and does not repent, is to be executed. It was also proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible to shed the blood of a person who bears witness that there is no god but Allaah and that I am the Messenger of Allaah except in three cases: a life for a life, a previously-married person who commits adultery, and one who leaves Islam and forsakes the jamaa’ah.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim.


It would certainly be interesting if her attorneys would raise the issue of Islamic law in her trial. Put the imam on the stand and question him about this well-established area of Islamic law. And watch him squirm.

[trimmonthelake]

JSM,I worry for this girl.   

[no rose colored glasses]

Well, that is really scary, I wasn't aware of this or at least to this extent 

[joesamas mama]

Well, that is really scary, I wasn't aware of this or at least to this extent 

Very Scary for this girl and thousands like them. I was trying not to get into the aspects of the religion, but that quote came straight out of an Islamic Q&A website. Read up on it No Rose. JMO JSM

[pink angel]

Dad Claims Brainwashing As Muslim Girl Fears He’ll Kill Her

Monday, August 17, 2009 12:24 PM

By: Pamela Geller

Rifqa Bary says she ran to Florida to save her life: “I was threatened by my dad.” She says that her father told her, “If you have this Jesus in your heart, you’re dead to me. You’re not my daughter. I will kill you.” But now her father is trying to regain custody of Rifqa, and he and the Islamic Society of Central Florida say she has been “kidnapped” and “brainwashed” by a “cult,” and that she’s a “rebel,” a “troubled teen.”

Well, which is it?

“This is a cult group who kidnapped my daughter and took her away,” claims Mohamed Bary, Rifqa’s father.

She hitchhiked to the bus station and took a Greyhound from Ohio to Florida. How is that a kidnapping?

Brainwashed by a cult? Which is the cult? Is it the group that silently approves of the murder of a daughter who shames her family by not wearing the proper head dress (like Aqsa Parvez), or by wanting live a free life (like Hatin Sürücü), or by dating the wrong boy (like Amina and Sarah Said), or by choosing another religion (like Rifqa Bary)? Or is it the group that offers sanctuary to a poor threatened girl?

Rifqa Bary’s father is also claiming that she was “brainwashed” by the pastor of the Global Revolution church in Orlando. Pastor Blake Lorenz denies that, saying, “she has been a Christian for four years, long before we ever met her.”

Let’s look at the facts.

Rifqa’s MySpace page, to which she last logged in two years ago, shows that she had already converted by then. Rifqa told Lorenz she converted four years ago; her MySpace page is evidence that she was a Christian at least by 2007.

There is more evidence on that same MySpace page. Rifqa chose a “Christian layout” and says that her favorite movie was “A Walk to Remember” — a good Christian flick. The movie is about a pastor’s daughter, a good Christian girl who changes the life of a popular but rebellious teenage boy through her indomitable spirit, purity, and goodness. Reviewer Jeffrey Overstreet said in Christianity Today: “The main character is portrayed as a Christian without being psychopathic or holier-than-thou.”

Further, under Rifqa’s favorite book, there is a small icon of a page from the Bible. The passage highlighted? Love is patient. Notice how it’s all done cryptically, as if she is hiding. “My Savior is JC,” she writes — JC, of course, is Jesus Christ. The movie is a Christian movie. The book is the Bible. And Rifqa wrote all this in 2007.

In contrast, Islamic Society of Central Florida President Imam Muhammad Musri charges that Rifqa is “nothing more than a troubled teen” and a “rebel teenager running away from home.”

The Pakistan Daily carries even worse charges: “The family maintains that the girl was into drugs, promiscuous behaviour and raunchy messages on Facebook. She was discussing sex with multiple older married men. When the parents tried to control her behaviour she refused to do so. On her return to the home she conjured up a story of conversion to Christianity.”

Again, let’s look at the hard facts. When I first ran the story of a missing teen in Ohio at my Atlas Shrugs Web site on Aug. 3, Rifqa was feared dead. One news report said that “according to police, the girl’s friends told detectives that it was possible she ran away because of conflicting religious beliefs in her home.” The gibes with a message that was left on the Counter Jihad blog by someone saying she was a friend of Rifqa: “I know that her dad is a threat to her, because I am friends with her and have heard her talk about it. In addition, when she took off and ran, I was one of the last people to talk to her via cell phone and as a result her dad started obsessively calling me and being very harsh and threatening towards me, while demanding that I tell him where she went to.”

No one who knows Rifqa has come forth with any stories of drug abuse or promiscuity.

That makes it likely that all of this “troubled teen” propaganda is a yarn spun (taqiya) to con the authorities into sending this girl back to a dangerous and deadly situation. Rifqa is not only in jeopardy from her father and other family members but from all devout Muslims, for she committed the worst of all sins, apostasy. And she broke the code of silence.

Musri said, according to WESH, that “he hopes Fathima Bary isn’t hiding behind faith to find freedom.”

“Hiding behind faith to find freedom”? A very telling quote, is it not?

There is another custody hearing for Fathima Bary next Friday. The family that is accusing her of lying and saying “she is free to practice her Christianity” is a devout Muslim family, and Islam calls for death for those who leave Islam. It was the members of the family’s mosque who alerted Rifqa’s father of her conversion to Christianity — the devout family’s mosque ratted Rifqa out. How can this girl be safe if she is forced to return to her family now?

http://www.newsmax.com/pamela_geller/muslin_christianity_bary/2009/08/17/248719.html

[joesamas mama]

PINK Thanks for posting Pamela's post. I was going to do it today when I got home. Have you seen the video on her website? I was going to post it here, but wasn't sure if anyone would be interested. TIA JSM

[joesamas mama]

Some more info here.
Dad Claims Brainwashing As Muslim Girl Fears He’ll Kill Her Newsmax, plus video

Rifqa Bary is not only in jeopardy from her father and other family members but from all devout Muslims, for in converting to Christianity, she committed the worst of all sins, apostasy. And she broke the code of silence (whole article here).

I will be on the Young Gun Conservative Radio show tonight at 7pm. They will be  interviewing Rifka Bary's parents' lawyer. I will provide the counterpoint. Listen live at 7pm (click on YGC Radio at the top of the page on the right).


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/pamela-geller-newsmax-rifqa-bary-.html

[joesamas mama]

Pamela Geller on Fathima. Watch this Monkeys. Pam ROCKS!

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qFLakCMM8Wo&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/qFLakCMM8Wo&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1</a>

[trimmonthelake]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-convert-runaway-dcf-081920,0,391042.story
DCF report: Pastor's family may have helped teen convert run away to Orlando
 Amy L. Edwards  Sentinel Staff Writer

4:45 p.m. EDT, August 19, 2009
Did the Orlando pastors who sheltered an Ohio teen convert who feared her Muslim family help the girl run away to Florida?

A Department of Children and Families document just obtained by the Orlando Sentinel indicates there's a possibility.

A hand-written note on a caregiver home study conducted on Blake and Beverly Lorenz, pastors of Global Revolution Church, said an initial DCF study was approved "prior to being informed that the pastor's family was involved with possibly helping the child run away from Ohio."

"As of 8/10/2009 -- This home study is NOT approved as the Lorenz' are not appropriate placement," the document said.

On Aug. 10, an Orange County judge ordered 17-year-old Fathima Rifqa Bary into DCF custody until social workers can figure out where she belongs and if her Columbus, Ohio, home will be safe.

Bary had been living with the Lorenz family, whom she met through a prayer group on Facebook.

The Lorenz family has not returned phone messages left on their cell phones and at their church this week. Someone associated with the case told the Sentinel the couple is out of the country.

Last week, the Lorenzes said Bary was essentially a stranger when she showed up in Orlando and asked if she could come to their house.

She feared her father would kill her, Blake Lorenz said.

Beverly Lorenz said they didn't initially realize Bary was reported missing from her home state. They eventually called an abuse hotline, which prompted law-enforcement and DCF involvement.

But Rifqa's father said he never threatened to kill the teen.
Mohamed Bary said Rifqa had a falling out with her mother the night before she disappeared – she reportedly took a Greyhound bus from Ohio to Orlando.

Rifqa had gone out without permission, and when she came home, her mother scolded her and told her that because of her behavior, the whole family might have to return to their native Sri Lanka, Mohamed Bary said.

Bary said his wife was upset and there were no plans to leave the U.S., he said.

On Friday, an Orange County judge will hear jurisdictional issues in the case.

On the DCF home study report obtained by the Sentinel, a case worker originally recommended Rifqa's placement at the Lorenz home. The Lorenzes do not have a criminal history or sex abuse issues that would present a risk of harm, the report said.

"Child observed to be happy and comfortable with caregivers. Child requested placement with caregivers," the report said.

"Child has been residing with church family for 2 weeks," the case worker wrote. "Child requested assistance based on prayer circle. Child has known ministry through face book [sic]. Child desires to be place with pastor as she will feel safer with them."

Amy L. Edwards can be reached at aledwards@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5735.

[joesamas mama]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-convert-runaway-dcf-081920,0,391042.story
DCF report: Pastor's family may have helped teen convert run away to Orlando
 Amy L. Edwards  Sentinel Staff Writer

4:45 p.m. EDT, August 19, 2009
Did the Orlando pastors who sheltered an Ohio teen convert who feared her Muslim family help the girl run away to Florida?

A Department of Children and Families document just obtained by the Orlando Sentinel indicates there's a possibility.

A hand-written note on a caregiver home study conducted on Blake and Beverly Lorenz, pastors of Global Revolution Church, said an initial DCF study was approved "prior to being informed that the pastor's family was involved with possibly helping the child run away from Ohio."

"As of 8/10/2009 -- This home study is NOT approved as the Lorenz' are not appropriate placement," the document said.

On Aug. 10, an Orange County judge ordered 17-year-old Fathima Rifqa Bary into DCF custody until social workers can figure out where she belongs and if her Columbus, Ohio, home will be safe.

Bary had been living with the Lorenz family, whom she met through a prayer group on Facebook.

The Lorenz family has not returned phone messages left on their cell phones and at their church this week. Someone associated with the case told the Sentinel the couple is out of the country.

Last week, the Lorenzes said Bary was essentially a stranger when she showed up in Orlando and asked if she could come to their house.

She feared her father would kill her, Blake Lorenz said.

Beverly Lorenz said they didn't initially realize Bary was reported missing from her home state. They eventually called an abuse hotline, which prompted law-enforcement and DCF involvement.

But Rifqa's father said he never threatened to kill the teen.
Mohamed Bary said Rifqa had a falling out with her mother the night before she disappeared – she reportedly took a Greyhound bus from Ohio to Orlando.

Rifqa had gone out without permission, and when she came home, her mother scolded her and told her that because of her behavior, the whole family might have to return to their native Sri Lanka, Mohamed Bary said.

Bary said his wife was upset and there were no plans to leave the U.S., he said.

On Friday, an Orange County judge will hear jurisdictional issues in the case.

On the DCF home study report obtained by the Sentinel, a case worker originally recommended Rifqa's placement at the Lorenz home. The Lorenzes do not have a criminal history or sex abuse issues that would present a risk of harm, the report said.

"Child observed to be happy and comfortable with caregivers. Child requested placement with caregivers," the report said.

"Child has been residing with church family for 2 weeks," the case worker wrote. "Child requested assistance based on prayer circle. Child has known ministry through face book [sic]. Child desires to be place with pastor as she will feel safer with them."

Amy L. Edwards can be reached at aledwards@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5735.

You know Trimm, she just doesn't need to go back to her family. Let her go into a foster home if they don't want her with the Lorenz, she needs to be a ward of the state of Florida until she reaches legal age or becomes an emancipated minor. If she is a ward of the state in a foster home she will get goverment assistance, if she is an emancipated minor she won't get any benefits. I still don't think she has been brainwashed by these people though. I think they were just trying to help her. JMO JSM

[joesamas mama]

Trimm, this is what I am worried about happening if she goes home to her parents.

Teenager 'honour killing' girl made dramatic plea for help before she died


Shafilea Ahmed claimed that she was regularly beaten by her parents
A Muslim teenager made a dramatic plea to be saved from her abusive parents a few months before she died in what police believe was an "honour killing".


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-507020/Teenager-honour-killing-girl-dramatic-plea-help-died.html#ixzz0OjJSbJnV