Lively Case Discussion #490 7/9 - 7/10/2006

[Leslie]

Easy wrote: Joran killed Natalee. Paulus disposed of the body. Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.
I agree - that's why Joran was away from the house most of the day on Monday, May 30th while Paul worked out the details and then called the Kalpoes and Joran to come to Montanja19 to learn law lesson 101 around the pool.

[Easywriter]

I'm going to go wash the cobwebs out of my head.
Hiya' Whyte! I miss Tink, too. I hope the avatars will be back soon.

Easy............I, too, would like to know about Joran's summer job on Aruba. It surprises me he would choose to come back, but maybe it's cheaper on his parents to house him at home. I wonder who would hire him.
They could always hire him out in a freak show.

Have a great one, Monkeys!

Tee hee!  Carlo's office of course!

 Perhaps he is HEAD DONG at the VIP club. ACKKKKKKKK!!

If he is tending bar at C-n-C's................

[Easywriter]

Easy wrote: Joran killed Natalee. Paulus disposed of the body. Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.
I agree - that's why Joran was away from the house most of the day on Monday, May 30th while Paul worked out the details and then called the Kalpoes and Joran to come to Montanja19 to learn law lesson 101 around the pool.

I think that is basically it, but what happened afterward is the true mystery.

[whytegirl]

Morning all ...

Have not had time to listen to the PodCast but have read the transcript.
Just making a qucik post & go  (sorry)

I was sure hoping Dana & Art could have confirmed one way or the
other  who was staying in the JVDS house hold  Sunday / Monday.

IF younger brother(s) were home... to me less chance of cover-up activities occuring there yet makes you question Monday night. when police arrive and Papa heads out with ALE to the casino.
Did anyone see people peeking out the windows when police were talking in the front yard with MB group?
JMO  of course

Sorry for the post & run...   catch ya later
SeeeeeYaaaaByeeeeeeeee

As a Latina I can tell ya...OOOO YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Easywriter]

Does Chinese water torture really work?  Just curious…..  

[klaasend]

Klaas

At Joran's bday party at KIA, I remember Jaime and Sander in pics in the parking lot.  Was Koen or Freddy there??  Do I remember this correctly??

Not sure, I think it was Jaime and Freddy but I could be wrong.

[BTgirl]

......attempt to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

   

I've heard about putting lipstick on a pig, but the silk purse is new to me  

  No comprendo!

Here is the explanation from one site:

Can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear

Be unable to turn something ugly or inferior into something attractive or of value, as in No matter how expensive his clothes, he still looks sloppy—you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. This expression was already a proverb in the mid-1500s.


Source: http://www.answers.com

[klaasend]

JORAN'S SUMMER JOB    

[Leslie]

Easy wrote: Joran killed Natalee. Paulus disposed of the body. Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.
I agree - that's why Joran was away from the house most of the day on Monday, May 30th while Paul worked out the details and then called the Kalpoes and Joran to come to Montanja19 to learn law lesson 101 around the pool.

I think that is basically it, but what happened afterward is the true mystery.

I doubt that Natalee is anywhere near the VDS compound. It would be too much like "The Telltale Heart" by Poe. It would make Paul go slowly crazy.

[Leslie]

KLAAS:              

[Kat_Gram]

Here is a link to Trip Advisor : Ashley79 was the one who was providing the info:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g147247-i144-k158081-Aruba-Aruba.html

[Ono]

Easy wrote: Joran killed Natalee. Paulus disposed of the body. Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.
I agree - that's why Joran was away from the house most of the day on Monday, May 30th while Paul worked out the details and then called the Kalpoes and Joran to come to Montanja19 to learn law lesson 101 around the pool.

By Two June, Tito Lacle is already going with the program, as per his AP article of same date he is promoting the HI line;  By Three June, van der Straaten is calling it a crime; Four June, KJ has already said "no" to help from the United States, while Dompig-nia is asking us to hold our breath for 48 hours...The program was in force already.

[Sleuth]

I have a theory:  ( I could see it   ) Joran killed Natalee.  Paulus disposed of the body.  Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.

Could be - and hence why no one seems to be paying for their own lawyer fees

[Kat_Gram]

KLAAS:              

I love the clown outfit. I asked Carpe to do one of Dompig and he did. sometimes, you just gotta have a laff.

[Easywriter]

Easy wrote: Joran killed Natalee. Paulus disposed of the body. Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.
I agree - that's why Joran was away from the house most of the day on Monday, May 30th while Paul worked out the details and then called the Kalpoes and Joran to come to Montanja19 to learn law lesson 101 around the pool.

I think that is basically it, but what happened afterward is the true mystery.

I doubt that Natalee is anywhere near the VDS compound. It would be too much like "The Telltale Heart" by Poe. It would make Paul go slowly crazy.

Deep water far away from the van der sloot reality.  Paulus would also be seeing ghost, if she was at his backdoor.  The sweat would run cold and profuse.

[Tylergal]

Easy wrote: Joran killed Natalee. Paulus disposed of the body. Kalpoes were warned to keep quiet, or pay the price.
I agree - that's why Joran was away from the house most of the day on Monday, May 30th while Paul worked out the details and then called the Kalpoes and Joran to come to Montanja19 to learn law lesson 101 around the pool.

I think that is basically it, but what happened afterward is the true mystery.

Mystery equal cover-up.

[Houdini]

Easywriter wrote:

Does Chinese water torture really work? Just curious…..

I don't know, but a 45 stuck in your ear does!

[Ono]

JORAN'S SUMMER JOB    

ROTFL!!!!!!!!

[Sleuth]

I relistened to the Greta interview with Anita and her husband.  She didn't call him Paulus or Paul in that interview - just "my husband"

[ldstlou]

what do you think guys...

I just keep going back to where the most 'evidence" (what little is left) points to...and I think I have to conclude the following...

2:30ish at the pond area
1) gardner reliable witness and passed polygraph
2) it court records phone call was made by Joran about that time and the triangulation of call puts him in that area.

makes alot of sense to me too...if she passes out at lighthouse...they start to take her back to her hotel but stop there to take advantage of her. I am starting to think this is the scene of most of the crime!!

She hits her head struggling to get out of the car as she is coming to.

3:00ish they are back at Joran's

1) again court records according to David Koch shows another call from Joran's cell and now he is in vicinity of his own home.
2)Natalee get's in a call with the screeching monkey in the background.

So now they have taken advantage of her...she has hit her head trying to get out of car in the pond area...can't take her back to hotel...everyone would know what happened...they have been seen by gardner...so they head back to Joran's to regroup and figure out what to do next with the injured Natalee.

I really think at this point...because they are so casual about what they are doing..ie logging on computer etc...they intended to let her sleep it off while they figured a story to tell the next day and Natalee expired once they had put her to bed.
would explain the DNA evidence in Joran's room that Jossy was sure they found but then dissappeared
and Klaas...can you help me here...was it reported they got a new mattress that was delivered by the furniture truck or was that speculation?