Lively Case Discussion #549 11/27 - 11/28/2006

[memphis]

Does anyone else feel disgusted with Fox and Greta? They want the story once De vries is successful; however, when we were begging and pleading for some newsperson to investigate (Greta,Geraldo), there was silence.

[memphis]

I hope they address the cocaine part.
The cocaine reference in the evidence file is DumPigs last desparate attempt to bring closer to the case. He got dumped on after the Dutch destroyed and covered-up all the obvious evidence, then Dumpig was the stooge put in charge to 'make the case'.  I'm sure the Jacobs, VanDerSludges (both) got a giggle watching poor DumPig trying to bring closer to the case.  His last desparate stab was to bring closure in what is so common in Aruba -- the drug connection.
The coke reference is nothing more than more planted evidence by the ALE.
Natalee was an honor roll student with a full ride scholarship to a major University majoring in Medicine. Active in church, school and community projects.
No history of drugs, yet they'd have us believe that on the few short days the perfect child was on Aruba, she was openly snorting coke lines and offering her friends drugs.
Please, this is right out of the DumPig file trying to blame the victim knowing he can't over trump the Dutch that hold sway on the island.

I think you pretty much nailed it.

[robots]

"we have more information but will bring it out when the time is right"

per DOCTOR EVIL



thats wwhat we call the OLD SWITCHAROO


stalling for time

LOADSVILLE

dont know what to say



 

[IBE]

Kat_Gram

Sorry to be so far behind.

What is the full name of the "Zeola kid"? Thanks.

IBE

[IBE]

Kat_Gram

Sorry to be so far behind.

What is the full name of the "Zeola kid"? Thanks.

IBE

[nonesuche]

For those asking about the date of the photo appearing on RU, it appeared at the latest, the first week of January of this year. It was taken from a private photo album of one of the MB girls on the trip from Facebook, NOT MySpace. I have sent all of the info to Klaas along with screenshots of the properties for the actual folder and files as well. So please know I am not attempting to advance any measure of false information. At that time Facebook was NOT international and also only allowed US university students to register.

I am still searching out more supportive evidence but the FIRST place that photo emerged was on RU, during the period StinkyPete and WangChung were heralding how "the answers lie in MB". There are a series of photos in that album from that party, Klaas has them all now as well.

I'll be back later, must run it's been just a very busy day......but wanted to respond as quickly as I could to tyler's questions.

As for Greta, here's what I hope she looks like tonight

[Ono]

Does anyone else feel disgusted with Fox and Greta? They want the story once De vries is successful; however, when we were begging and pleading for some newsperson to investigate (Greta,Geraldo), there was silence.

Well, I love FOX, as that is all we watch here, and I can forgive Greta as long as she keeps Natalee's story out there. Sooner or later, Greta will have to realize that she was snookered. Timing is everything and if it takes Greta's participation, so be it. One thing is certain: There is no such thing as a perfect crime and the sooner Greta realizes that, the wiser she will be.

[Kat_Gram]

I do think that we are overreating on the cocaine part of the program.
Pretty sure it came from Dompid via Boeti Naar. Or GVC.
There were several blonde girls in Aruba at the time. One was spotted in the gas station Not Natalee. One was in the jewelry store, Not Natalee.  
There was also one at the front desk at the HI, again, Not Natalee.
Julia though she had seen her, turned out, another Not Natalee.
So, Devries used what he had from the police files, but who is to say that the girl was Natalee.
I did go to some Dutch comment sites that were from the FP and I could not measure the reaction, but the word cocaine did not come up on the translation.  
The big issue to me is Ben King being in the apartment when the seacrh was conducted.
Janssin asking for a search of the whole property, DeWitt limiting it to only Joran's residence. Did KJ even have a come back ? Like, possessions that were in Joran's apartment could be anywhere on the property ? Or did it not enter her mind that bedding, mattress tops, etc could be moved from one room to another ? Then, when the Sloots went to stay at the King's, stuff went there. Most likely, it did not come back.

[IndyDan]

My opinion and mine only. There was no lighthouse visit , no beach walk. Joran VanderSloot and the Kalpoes, rolled into CnCs 30 minutes before closing time to target a tourist girl for their date-rape scheme.
Like animals in the wild, they picked out their victim, they snapped the trap and Natalee never knew what hit her.
No lighthouse, no beach, straight to VanDerSloot household to video tape the rape of an innocent American tourist girl.  
Their previous victims probably woke up on the beach, wondering what happened and scrambling to make their flight home.
What's sad and sick about this little scam is that everyone on Aruba knew it went on and turned a blind eye.  
Innocent fun for the sporting PIMPS, no one ever figured one of their victims would die. They didn't know how to deal with a death.

[memphis]

For those asking about the date of the photo appearing on RU, it appeared at the latest, the first week of January of this year. It was taken from a private photo album of one of the MB girls on the trip from Facebook, NOT MySpace. I have sent all of the info to Klaas along with screenshots of the properties for the actual folder and files as well. So please know I am not attempting to advance any measure of false information. At that time Facebook was NOT international and also only allowed US university students to register.

I am still searching out more supportive evidence but the FIRST place that photo emerged was on RU, during the period StinkyPete and WangChung were heralding how "the answers lie in MB". There are a series of photos in that album from that party, Klaas has them all now as well.

I'll be back later, must run it's been just a very busy day......but wanted to respond as quickly as I could to tyler's questions.

As for Greta, here's what I hope she looks like tonight

Thank you Nonesuche!
I was asking many of the questions. I think this is significant.

[memphis]

I do think that we are overreating on the cocaine part of the program.
Pretty sure it came from Dompid via Boeti Naar. Or GVC.
There were several blonde girls in Aruba at the time. One was spotted in the gas station Not Natalee. One was in the jewelry store, Not Natalee.  
There was also one at the front desk at the HI, again, Not Natalee.
Julia though she had seen her, turned out, another Not Natalee.
So, Devries used what he had from the police files, but who is to say that the girl was Natalee.
I did go to some Dutch comment sites that were from the FP and I could not measure the reaction, but the word cocaine did not come up on the translation.  
The big issue to me is Ben King being in the apartment when the seacrh was conducted.
Janssin asking for a search of the whole property, DeWitt limiting it to only Joran's residence. Did KJ even have a come back ? Like, possessions that were in Joran's apartment could be anywhere on the property ? Or did it not enter her mind that bedding, mattress tops, etc could be moved from one room to another ? Then, when the Sloots went to stay at the King's, stuff went there. Most likely, it did not come back.

good points

[tcumom]

Red just got off the phone with Beth - Beth and Peter de Vries will be on Greta tonight!!  10pm Eastern

     

We need an all-call monkey alert system!    

I'll be tuned in and ready to go~haven't listened to Greta in ages.....just hope she'll keep quiet and let them speak .... wishful thinking.

[Kat_Gram]

Kat_Gram

Sorry to be so far behind.

What is the full name of the "Zeola kid"? Thanks.

IBE

I do not know if it was ever mentioned. There is/was  a Zeola who is the manager of the Mariott.

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

So Why Does an Innocent Man Pay for a Fauxtograph of Joran Van der Sloot with Natalee Holloway?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/27/so-why-does-an-innocent-man-pay-for-a-fauxtograph-of-joran-van-der-sloot-with-natalee-holloway/

[Kat_Gram]

Do you think Greta will be happy that Peter thinks her boyfriend is guilty ?

[Red]

Red just got off the phone with Beth - Beth and Peter de Vries will be on Greta tonight!!  10pm Eastern

Think any of the crow feathers will be showing around the edges of Greta's mouth?

SM asks Greta ... On the Record Greta ... Are you still inclined to believe him?

What you say now Greta?

[robots]

Red just got off the phone with Beth - Beth and Peter de Vries will be on Greta tonight!!  10pm Eastern

Think any of the crow feathers will be showing around the edges of Greta's mouth?

SM asks Greta ... On the Record Greta ... Are you still inclined to believe him?

What you say now Greta?

ROBOTS says

GRETA tries spinning the COMMENT


       

[carpe noctem]

I was going back reading the case documents over the past few days...

I dug up the following Deepak ALE Statement of 6/29/2005

I would like to hear other people's opinions on it.

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Deepak interview with police
6/29/2005

On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police was monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

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I find it very strange that Anita singled out the Marriott as a  'HOT ZONE'
and for the boys to stay away due of cop presence. Had Joran already come up with LIE CHANGE #2 by this time?

Something about it doesn't sound riight to me.

Anita is already saying the boys are in trouble.  TROUBLE FOR
WHAT? Leaving Natalee at the beach. That is certainly no crime
if it hapened just the way DILBERT said it did.

How can she reconcile that? The Sporter is innocent
and his poop smells like friggin rose petals... but stay away
from the Marriott because you're in trouble?

SHE'S ALREADY SAYING they are in trouble.

Had the DROP AT MARRIOTT  been introduced at this time?

I don't think it was... I'll have to dig around in the file
archives to go over it again. I'd love to hear anbody's
thoughts on this. -J4N-

Yeah, the drop of the body in the Marriott's freezer.

hi there, carnut...

I didn't see a smiley face or an eye roll...

are you serious?

.... that could explain a lot.

[robots]

<--------------not impressed with GRETA at all

[klaasend]

Greta will say "I never said he was innocent, just said I was inclined to believe him after interviewing him"