Lively Case Discussion #549 11/27 - 11/28/2006

[Tylergal]

You know with this picture of Joran and Natalee is disturbing to me. I can't get it out of my head. ugh!

Taking or making of souviners from or of the victim(s) is evidence of fantasy at work.  Joran has major issues.

GET THE BOY HELP NOW ANITA! Please, before another girl falls victim to your ill-begotten son.

she cant help her boy... she cant help herself

I've often wondered about Anita:  
A.  Is she covering for Joran and Paulus, knowing full well what they do, what kind of men they really are?  

B.  Does she "know" but not really know, and is in denial?  

C.  Is she truly clueless, believing her men are innocent of all charges?

Evening Monkeys    Hey Lil Puma...I started to go with B, but as I was typing out my response I realized that I actually think she may be aware, I dont see how she couldn't be after all this time. I am sure she has shed many tears while talking to joran and also to paulus, asking questions, watching their faces, listening to the tone of their voices as they answered. Also I dont see how joran or paulus could keep her from hearing things they said to each other now and then, even if they tried to. She would hear some things, thus she would almost have to know the truth even if she wont allow it to settle in her heart. I have to go with A, I think she does know, but perhaps wants to be in denial because she loves them.

Hear things?  She knows everything.  If Natalee was still alive when she returned from the NL, she might have been the one to dispose of her.  Speaking of ice queens, Greta does not hold a candle to Anita.

[klaasend]

Shower time, brb

[cubbeegirl]

Memphis wrote;

Didn't hammer post that earlier today? I think I read it.

Did he? afraid I didn't see it.

Let me look for it and see if it is the same one you're talking about. It was the first time I had read DutchLady and it WAS NOT an easy read.  

Her posts never were an easy read, I always had to read them a couple of times, I liked reading her posts, just had to read them a couple of times to get the whole thing....

[bleachedblack]

This is the highlight of the one I am talking about. She posted it on 8/3 '05.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If a person who takes someone has a home he takes that person to be isolated for his intentions. In all the cases of abductions of persons at nightclubs and at open places there is a foreplay of games as bait.
It also makes sense as sex is not an off- on switch with two in tow, it is a game set out before hand with more than one.
It is also the case that the beach was a later alibi as was the lighthouse one, as distancing from the home of Joran who had unlimited access. No kids shits on the beach if he has a bog at home. To graphic, then listen to kids of that age in school. No man or boy of over 16 would think of peeing in a gutter or laying in a tourism place as an alternative to his own drink parlour and bog. Yes, the words come as easily as other predators I have listened too, and what they do is tell a good story in their mind and regurtitate it. It takes a snake to catch a snake. The snake is not Joran, yes he has in my opinion lashed out at Natalee for some reason, but the duality of this is the repetition and stage management so that has to be a more older adult. He is procuring for someone else and simple bragging because he joins in on the action as a forensic cue from his own photos on the web.

[cubbeegirl]

The last place that JK2 felt a need to place themselves with Natalee and offer an explanation for was Joran's house. They covered the possibility that the car was seen there by that lame story of going by the house, parking, but not going in. I don't think Natalee ever left there with full consciousness and maybe died there. I believe strongly that what happened to her began at that property. Actually the drugging began at C&Cs.

I agree CBB. That whole, going to the house, but not going in story never did sound one bit believable to me....And I also feel that the "something bad" happened at that house....

[Lala'sMom]

Well, the beach story is tied into the K2 saying that they left Joran and Natalee there and also because Joran places himself there.  The only thing is that in one of the statements a reference is made about driving by Joran's place.  It is obvious that his place is involved, because why?   They want everyone to think they were on the beach.  Something bad happened...in the car or in his apartment.  She died on these jerks and giving no regard to Natalee at all...they just left her to die or maybe aided in her demise.   There is always some inking of truth in everything they say...if the beach was involved at all it was because Deepak had to pee again.  Maybe she jumped out of the car and ran and that is how they connect the beach in all this... it's convoluted at best.

[justinsmama]

Monkeys~ For the first time in well over a year, I have real hope that Beth, Dave and all of Nat's loved ones may have closure. This warms my heart and lifts my spirit. How good it must feel for Nat's people! After all the the battles that have been lost, and while the "war" is not yet over, we finally have won a significant battle. I am so proud to be a small part of this wonderful community that we have here. We have stood by the family in the search for the truth, and provided some comfort to them (and each other).  God bless each and every one of us who have championed for our beautiful Naltalee.

Oh, and...

JORAN.SCARED!

[bleachedblack]

Memphis wrote;

Didn't hammer post that earlier today? I think I read it.

Did he? afraid I didn't see it.

Let me look for it and see if it is the same one you're talking about. It was the first time I had read DutchLady and it WAS NOT an easy read.  

Her posts never were an easy read, I always had to read them a couple of times, I liked reading her posts, just had to read them a couple of times to get the whole thing....

I totally agree, loved all her posts. Still like to look back and compare some posts now ring more true than at the time they were written.

[memphis]

Lalas, isn't Shango telling Babalu that he got it?

I need to study more for this quiz!  

[cubbeegirl]

Memphis wrote;

Didn't hammer post that earlier today? I think I read it.

Did he? afraid I didn't see it.

Let me look for it and see if it is the same one you're talking about. It was the first time I had read DutchLady and it WAS NOT an easy read.  

Her posts never were an easy read, I always had to read them a couple of times, I liked reading her posts, just had to read them a couple of times to get the whole thing....

I totally agree, loved all her posts. Still like to look back and compare some posts now ring more true than at the time they were written.

Agreed... If memory serves me some were not so kind towards DutchLady's posts....

[Tylergal]

And it was King who changed his name after the Mathews case?

Where human rights were proofed to be violated and I think, evidence was changed or lost. I believe that Paulus van der Sloot also worked on that case with King.

Also, wasn't it King withwhom the Sloots stayed while Joran was in prison? using the excuse of staying away from the media at their home and the cementing of the pool area?

Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks

IBE

Yes, the Sloots stayed at Ben King's while Joran was in prison and there was suspicion that Joran was coming home at nights with Ben King and spending nights there instead of in Kia.  Also, Paulus is the one who helped Ben (Voc)King during the episode that involved Matthews, for which the United Nations (not that I love that organization) and Amnesty International as well as other organizations were scrutinizing Ben Voc(King) and possibly PVDS for their illegal and inhumane actions.  

One of the posters at RWV lived on the same street as Ben VocKing and verified that the Sloots were staying there.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Greta repeat on in 20 minutes if anoyne misssed it on FOX
the interview with Peter Devries.. and Beth!!

[nonesuche]

bleachedandblack- Thanks for remembering DLady for she did give us some early insights that were undervalued by some, I wish we still had her with us.

Tyler - thank you for your note on the ice queen Anita, I'm right there with you, she's simply willing to stop at nothing to protect her male turf.

Lala's and Memphis - you two make me smile tonight   tango twins  

keep the light burning bright folks, after a sleepless night last night I have to get some zzzz's

[memphis]

This is the highlight of the one I am talking about. She posted it on 8/3 '05.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If a person who takes someone has a home he takes that person to be isolated for his intentions. In all the cases of abductions of persons at nightclubs and at open places there is a foreplay of games as bait.
It also makes sense as sex is not an off- on switch with two in tow, it is a game set out before hand with more than one.
It is also the case that the beach was a later alibi as was the lighthouse one, as distancing from the home of Joran who had unlimited access. No kids shits on the beach if he has a bog at home. To graphic, then listen to kids of that age in school. No man or boy of over 16 would think of peeing in a gutter or laying in a tourism place as an alternative to his own drink parlour and bog. Yes, the words come as easily as other predators I have listened too, and what they do is tell a good story in their mind and regurtitate it. It takes a snake to catch a snake. The snake is not Joran, yes he has in my opinion lashed out at Natalee for some reason, but the duality of this is the repetition and stage management so that has to be a more older adult. He is procuring for someone else and simple bragging because he joins in on the action as a forensic cue from his own photos on the web.

This is not the same one that Hammer posted.
Very interesting. Is she saying that Joran procured Natalee for someone else?

[bleachedblack]

cubbeegirl wrote;

Agreed... If memory serves me some were not so kind towards DutchLady's posts....

I know I am not sure why. She did maybe make a few posts that were alittle far out, but i thought she was great, but more than that , I felt she had a unique insight into the human psyche.

[mishy]

Good evening monkeys! Just a late night drive by before I pour myself into bed...Is Greta interviewing P DeVries? Do I need to tape her show? I had taken her off my tivo...

Hope all is well with everyone!!    

[cubbeegirl]

cubbeegirl wrote;

Agreed... If memory serves me some were not so kind towards DutchLady's posts....

I know I am not sure why. She did maybe make a few posts that were alittle far out, but i thought she was great, but more than that , I felt she had a unique insight into the human psyche.

Me too...

[Carnut]

Gotta say one thing for Greta, she did bring on DeVries and Beth right after the Dutch show and pretty much asked alot of the right questions.

Obviously her heart wasn't in it, but she did do the show, it was the right thing to do.

And now there's a lot of Dutch folks beginning to see the light.

[Anna]

hi there...

Does Posner own the MARRIOTT at Palm Beach?

Does anyone know?

No, Posner does not own the Marriott or any hotel.  He owns the Excelsior Casino in the Holiday Inn.

Klaas,
Am behind reading to catch up but doesn't Posner own the fairly new Bickell Bay Resort?  I thought that he built that and owned it.  Apparently it is not as nice as some of the other resorts as is only two star.

.

[Lala'sMom]

Lalas, isn't Shango telling Babalu that he got it?

I need to study more for this quiz!  

Well, sort of, but with Shango you can't always believe what you read.  He may have been saying that was one of the dirty hands. Shango says there are many.  If van der Straaten was the one and only, then Shango was indeed wrong...we know that already and it has yet to bring down the corruption...so my guess is that we don't have dirty hand yet.  If Dirty Hand knows all and sees all and if tells all everything begins to tumble...we have long suspected and said that van der Straaten was Dirty Hand.  Has it changed anything?  Not yet, maybe we don't know who it is yet.