Lively Case Discussion #549 11/27 - 11/28/2006

[robots]

do we have any psychologists that have an opinion as to why Joran would have that picture made like that?  Has there ever been any other criminals that have done something like this?  Surley there has never been anyone falsely accused who has done something like this, has there?

I want some professional opinions bout this (interested in non-professionsl too though!)

I'm not a psychologist but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night

do you have any idea why he would have paid someone to make that picture?

I liked Robots reasoning last night.  He wanted to show it to people in the Netherlands saying that he and Natalee had a previous relationship and that he would have never harmed her.

i liked robots theory too
 


we know there are a lot of people that HAVE NOT FOLLOWED the case
as much as others

JORAN could lie to people that HAVE NOT followed the case and they would say

"oh yea, i saw joran in a picture with Natalee from a couple years ago"

"he would never hurt her"

[shadow]

The picture might be Joran's attempt to create a trophy.  I think Daddy and Mommy took all of Joran's trophies away from him, not trusting that someone else might get a hold of them.  As we've read, psychopathic killers keep trophies of their conquests and looking at these trophies is how they relive and re-experience the event.  It's a very strong psychological compulsion.  I believe Joran is obsessed with Natalee.  He may make up other explanations, but I think the root of the thing is to re-create for himself a trophy that helps him relive the experience.  This trophy picture is an unusual pose and expression for Natalee, and his picture in the photo is unsmiling and back to Natalee, rather superior to her.  Joran is a very sick individual and we are seeing one aspect of that sickness in this photo.

I agree with you 100%

Evening Monkeys!

Truthseeker: Good post . . . IMO there was a party at the Sloot house and it was for Daddy and his cronies. Wonder if King, Schmid and Croes were there too?

[Buckeye]

San and Jacq

Thanks for transcripts.

blah

The earring is there.  The pict posted just didn't show it. I never heard that Carlo was representing K2 (just Ooman and Kock...but maybe it's the same firm??)

All

Did MF's post say that Carlo said Joran was having a hearing the 30th??  Thought it was just K2.

Does anyone else remember the early post about Natalee falling by the pool after trying to get over the Sloot gate??  I have always thought that that was the reason for the "talk by the pool" by PVDS.

If Carlo is not Joran's lawyer...can he be sworn in???

[Anna]

Hey, San, thank you so much for tihs transcript.  I really needed to go back over it although I had heard it, because I wanted to scrutinize the Joe TacoToast statements (urrhhh, lies).  Yep.

What is a medley relay?  Is it four players who pass off to one another, as in if I send you a letter in New York, San, and you send it to Washington, D.C. and that sender mails it to Arkansas, and that person sends it to Aruba, is that like a medley relay?

Sounds like a Medley Relay to me, Tyler.

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[robots]

KARIN is a KRIMINAL  

[AZLady]

Doesn't this seem like the logic of a sick individual:  I know her, therefore, I would not hurt her.  Even if this is Joran's motivation, it is not logical thinking.  Many, many violent crimes are committed by spouses or significant others.  The fact that a prior relationship existed makes him even more of a suspect, in most cases, rather than less.

[Buckeye]

One more thought....maybe Joran was going to claim to have spent this New Years with Natalee...never thinking we would see the photo.....that would be worth $200.  

[robots]

its like a PEDOPHILE who takes pictures of HIMSELF helping out a
CUB SCOUT CAMP


       

[sharon]

when I first saw the photo Joran had made for him I really didnt think a whole lot of it other than it was a stupid thing to do and in very bad tatse.

The more I think about it, the more bizaare i think it is.  What kind of sicko does something like that?  He and his little pimp wanna-bes probably laugh about it and think it is funny.  What purpose could it serve other than to entertain themselves in some sort of sick twisted way?  If Joran was innocent, he would come unglued at the person who made that picture, but he actually PAID someone to make it??  And paid good money too!!  He gets some sort of joy at looking at that picture when it should be tearing his heart out instead.  This kid is pure evil.

When I first saw it -- it reminded me of the 'preppy murderer' who killed the girl in NY many years ago. Rough sex, he said. She was strangulated.

He made a little video for friends where he laughs as he chokes a doll.

I think that helped to convict him.

Keep it up Joran

[robots]

JORAN is trying to persuade OTHERS that he knew Natalee

"SEE,SEE, SEE everyone i knew her, we were friends"


GAG ME WITH A FORK

[klaasend]

I believe Beth and De Vries will be on another show tonight, not sure if it will be Fox.  I'll let you know when I find out.

[memphis]

Q: IS KARIN JANSSEN A CRIMINAL?

Exhibit A from De Vries.
"Mr. Carlo said yeah I have to clear my conscience I can tell you that my client Joran has played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and I want you to know that."

Exhibit B from De Vries.
Janssen response to De Vries per MF. "Janssen just answered some of the questions she was asked in writing by e-mail. She defended the program Opsporings Verzocht were the focus were not on Joran or the Kalpoe brothers but gave a broader look so it might trigger other information that had nothing to do with the suspects. She said she was personally involved and oversaw the production of the program. In the program there was no emphasis put on the size of the shoe or the shoe itself and how he got home and this is what Karin wanted. And she defended her decision. She wanted that the investigation to be as broad as possible and not focused on Joran and his friends."

A: YES![/color]

So i think we can assume that it was HER idea to use someone who looked, talked, and acting NOTHING like Joran to portray him.

I guess this means that we have to question everything KJ did. What about all the people she had arrested? Were they all distractions?  

[shadow]

I believe Beth and De Vries will be on another show tonight, not sure if it will be Fox.  I'll let you know when I find out.

Thank you Klass! YOU ROCK

[robots]

I believe Beth and De Vries will be on another show tonight, not sure if it will be Fox.  I'll let you know when I find out.

GRETA is a LOAD

lets hope it aint that show  

[MisGivings]

Just posted by Michael (Netherlands) on the front page of SM:

Peter de Vries is on the late night show Jensen in The Netherlands now airing and Beth is live on the phone in the show also. Peter thinks that the case can be resolved.

So, does anyone know what the wicked witch of Aruba has to say about all this???

[robots]

Q: IS KARIN JANSSEN A CRIMINAL?

Exhibit A from De Vries.
"Mr. Carlo said yeah I have to clear my conscience I can tell you that my client Joran has played a major role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and I want you to know that."

Exhibit B from De Vries.
Janssen response to De Vries per MF. "Janssen just answered some of the questions she was asked in writing by e-mail. She defended the program Opsporings Verzocht were the focus were not on Joran or the Kalpoe brothers but gave a broader look so it might trigger other information that had nothing to do with the suspects. She said she was personally involved and oversaw the production of the program. In the program there was no emphasis put on the size of the shoe or the shoe itself and how he got home and this is what Karin wanted. And she defended her decision. She wanted that the investigation to be as broad as possible and not focused on Joran and his friends."

A: YES![/color]

So i think we can assume that it was HER idea to use someone who looked, talked, and acting NOTHING like Joran to portray him.

I guess this means that we have to question everything KJ did. What about all the people she had arrested? Were they all distractions?  

YES


DECOYS


throwing the scent off the SWEAT MASTERS  

[San]

I believe Beth and De Vries will be on another show tonight, not sure if it will be Fox.  I'll let you know when I find out.

Another one   Let me go oil my fingers

[San]

I wonder if Joe Tacopina was in Rome for Tom Cruise's wedding

[Anna]

Joe Tacopina is on Fox.  He said De Vries is a materialist and capitalist and is trying to make money.

I am so relieved and happy that there is still at least one capitalist in The Netherlands.  Was afraid they were ALL socialists now.  This is tremendous news and very good to hear.  Capitalism is our own form of economy, the strongest and greatest in the world, Joe T.  So what is his philosophy that runs so counter to this?

Seems to pretend to have altruistic motives when in fact passing the Love Bowls at RU to collect fees from among the posters there as though AHATA and the rest are not paying him enough.

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[Buckeye]

from nuntukamen (now banned) on FOB

Posted: Tue Nov 28th, 2006 04:45 pm   Quote     Reply  
 
here is some very pertinent and firsthand information for all the readers here...

cocaine use by Natalee in this case is meaningless, and here is why:  you do not OD on cocaine by snorting what would be huge individual amounts like an entire gram or two, you OD by INGESTING it, such as a dealer might do fearing an arrest, although if you snorted n entire ounce you would die, but it  would an hour of non-stop snorting to do it;

 you do not get a higher (and/or more risky) cocaine buzz by drinking when you do it: cocaine can accelerate a drinking binge and therefore a drunkeness (this effect is minimal), but drinking with cocaine does not cause death by and of itself

SNORTING cocaine's effects have been compared by such research periodicals as The Scientific American to eating a bag of potato chips and taking a couple of NoDoz on an empty stomach..you want more chips and you are artificially more alert

her drinking was continual, but not out of whack from partying students all over the world until given several Ron Rico 151 SHOTS, which is three times the equivalent of a normal drink, and a favorite tool of the predatory lounge lizard

smoking coke, by the way, is a whole other ballgame from snorting, and i believe the Pimps smoked it, as snorting would be too tame for them--smoking coke can produce extreme sexual aggression, ESPECIALLY WHEN MIXED WITH ALCOHOL

***Deepak admits to participating in gang rapes of American tourist girls where Joran or Freddy procure the victim
***Satish admits putting in a porno flick as the car leaves downtown that Natalee is upset by

these statements were made to police early in the case...this is not a great mystery---i doubt if Natalee had coke, but this accusation, by Pimps, not her fellow students, opens the thought that what if Joran made his money as the cocaine connection within the casinos for tourists on the island, and that is why there was prior FBI electronic investigation occuring on the island?...Paulus and higher ups are likely part of this moneymaking scheme and explains why Joran was there underage, why they allowed him there knowing his age, and how the predatory schemes with the pimps unfolded into a common activity

we have seen gangs like these boys proliferate here in the United States with traveling groups of young men moving town to town selling magazines or carpet cleaner...in the 70s-90s it was prominent regarding "consensual" gang rapes (there is no such thing, despite the rapist's claims)...and before that it was biker gangs providing consensual gang rapes for the media

if these boys aren't guilty there is no need for all the lies they have spoken that have been proven...and if somehow they are totally innocent they still have characters and thinking processes that are a mere notch above a spider's