Lively Case Discussion #549 11/27 - 11/28/2006

[mishy]

Joran is the cocaine source?  Pffft...

And deVries believed that?

Two posters have now stated, one of whom was Gunslinger last night, that one can not OD on cocaine by snorting it.  Does not combine with alcohol either.  So presence or absence of cocaine not likely to have contributed to her death but we knew that her death was not from her own doing anyway.

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Anna, this looks good on paper, but I rather think it is just wishful thinking. I do believe that you can OD on cocaine by snorting it...

I don't know Mishy.  One said you have to ingest it or smoke it, etc. That it would take an hour of solid snorting to take in enough to OD.  

I don't really know one way or the other but they both said it so perhaps it is not an easy thing to do?

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Well, I think most combinations of drugs and alcohol can cause an overdose, especially if there were other things mixed with it, say, like GHB?

[Sue]

from medley/jan on refugees

Claims an email from Greta today, in response to her asking for time for Carlo, etc..Greta welcomes feedback from the Sloots and has not gotten a return call from Carlo. She restates that she has told Beth and the public that she believes Joran and likes him.  

Don't know if it's true, but just so we know what's posted.  I really can't read there much...they post no info, just alot of MEAN.

If you read Greta wire you would know that she is Full of crap
Greta rarely remarks and if she does VERY brief

[klaasend]

[bleachedblack]

Klaas and San

See the guy with the white t-shirt standing way in the background?

     

Yes that's who we were referring to.

Sorry San what pic are we lookin' at? I must have dozed off.

[Buckeye]

from medley/jan on refugees

Claims an email from Greta today, in response to her asking for time for Carlo, etc..Greta welcomes feedback from the Sloots and has not gotten a return call from Carlo. She restates that she has told Beth and the public that she believes Joran and likes him.  

Don't know if it's true, but just so we know what's posted.  I really can't read there much...they post no info, just alot of MEAN.

If you read Greta wire you would know that she is Full of crap
Greta rarely remarks and if she does VERY brief

Supposedly...it was a personal e mail.

[shadow]

Bleachedblack-I  too think there is a good chance a video was made.  And if it was made, I don't think it would be destroyed.  Even though it would be risky to keep it, I think the lure of having something like that would be too great to destroy it.

I absolutely agree! When I listen to any of Jorans interviews and he sounds as if he blames Natalee for what happened! I am sure he feels entitled to the video. He probably hasn't  had it in his possesion for a good long time and he is starting to miss the rush it gives him.....hence the Pic....the best he can do under the circumstances......

Yep . . . exactly. Sick and twisted and so his character. IMO of course.

[MuffyBee]

Hey there Mishy!  Great to see you.

I think some of these evil nutcases like to keep little keepsakes from their victims.  So many times I have read in articles that something from the victim or the crime scene was kept by rapists, murderers and such.

[Sue]

from medley/jan on refugees

Claims an email from Greta today, in response to her asking for time for Carlo, etc..Greta welcomes feedback from the Sloots and has not gotten a return call from Carlo. She restates that she has told Beth and the public that she believes Joran and likes him.  

Don't know if it's true, but just so we know what's posted.  I really can't read there much...they post no info, just alot of MEAN.

If you read Greta wire you would know that she is Full of crap
Greta rarely remarks and if she does VERY brief

Supposedly...it was a personal e mail.

Well she has responded to me several times on this case in emails and it was very brief never more then 2 or 3 words.. she gets thousands of emails a day

[mishy]

This source says you can overdose from snorting cocaine:
http://www.camh.net/About_Addiction_Mental_Health/Drug_and_Addiction_Information/about_cocaine.html

A narcotics agent once told me that cocaine has a reverse tolerance...that you could snort $100 worth in one sitting one day and two d ays later, snort half that amount and die...Plus, the coke down there is probably in a much purer form than you could get most places in the states...or it could be laced with something deadly...

[LilPuma]

Somewhere, maybe in his interview to his big fan Greta Joran said he spent hours daily going over the files of the investigation.  Yes, he has them.  That is how he and Paulus have come up with what I have always called his designer lies, ones made to fit something or other they find in the files.

They have all of them.  Paulus could get them from his boss for one thing.  We even had Julia/Bon Dia claiming to have seen the ENTIRE dossier posting here.

Everyone has them except the family of the victim who must be kept out at all costs.

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That makes me sick . . .    [/quote]

That's also probably why his stories changed over time.  More information would be given to Papasloot and he would tweak his lies.  He even made slight changes to his story in the short time between the airing of Prime Time and Greta's interview and those changes seem to relate to comments on message boards about what he said on Prime Time.    But let's not forget that this is just a bunch of capitalists exploiting this poor tortured soul by the name of Joran van der Sloot, ruining his life over NOTHING, NOTHING!  

[Florida]

I think the photo was possibly to commemorate his involvement (for lack of a better word) with Natalee.  These guys, these PIMPS are used to posting pics and displaying EVERYTHING, from DK and Joran riding in a car
with 2 porn video's playing while someone(it appears ) took the pic from the backseat, to pics of Sanders and Joran dancing with a semiconscous girl between them,  to photos showing "axeman" the guy crouched in the field wearing gloves and holding an axe(remember that one?).  These guys are used to "commemorating"  every event......and if that event didn't exist , Joran created it. I am sure if there were a pic of Natalee in undress, and in some pic that could have been manipulated into a more "X" rated version of the 2 , then we might have seen a pic pf that instead. JMO

Very good correlation! You're right, they do document and display everything.

IIRC, I think that picture of the guy with the axe was an album cover of some musician.

When I recall any of the pics turning out to be band members i seem to recall it in reference to pics of LVR? I can't recall at the moment....but the band guy had long dreads .........it will come back to me ......but you'll probably all be sleeping.  

Corey Taylor? (Slipknot)

[MuffyBee]

How would you know the strength of the coke you are getting?  And how do you know with what and how much it's been stepped on?  Also take into account each individuals reaction to drugs, which can greatly vary...

[bleachedblack]

Florida wrote;

Corey Taylor? (Slipknot)

I think you are right about that. I still can't remember what it was we were saying though. LOL  but at least you got the name.  I am so bad at keeping stuff but I wish I had saved the pic of the guy in the field with the axe. It was wierd, and very early before things started to disappear from tickle.com

[San]

Klaas and San

See the guy with the white t-shirt standing way in the background?

     

Yes that's who we were referring to.

Sorry San what pic are we lookin' at? I must have dozed off.

Bottom of page 43.

[klaasend]

Need to go pick up a pizza, brb - try not to get to page 50 before I get back, OK  

[yapperz1]

Evening Monkeys

Wasn't Alex the guy in the pic with the axe?

I don't think the guy in white tshirt is Lorenzo

[mishy]

How would you know the strength of the coke you are getting?  And how do you know with what and how much it's been stepped on?  Also take into account each individuals reaction to drugs, which can greatly vary...

I think if you know your coke, you can tell if it's good, or pure by just sticking your finger in it and tasting it. And of course, by using it. I think experts can tell what it's been cut with by smell and taste also. But in South America, you can bet your bottom dollar that it is purer than anything you can get in Alabama or California, for that matter!

And yes, people have different brain chemistries that would influence the way they react to certain drugs as well as alcohol. That's why some are addicts and some are not...

Take sinus meds or benadryl, for example. It knocks most people out, but it wires others.

Take something for ADHD like ritalin...if you are a hyper person, it will slow you down, if you are not a hyper person, it'll have you bouncing against the walls...

[bleachedblack]

How would you know the strength of the coke you are getting?  And how do you know with what and how much it's been stepped on?  Also take into account each individuals reaction to drugs, which can greatly vary...

I have heard that the drugs that come to aruba in general are pretty potent, more so than by the time they reach say the US.  They start out more pure along the way get diluted....not always, when it doesn't get diluted and a drug shows up in uncut form is when overdoses occur.

[nonesuche]

Good to see you Muffy, good point too regarding the cocaine. The advent of crack has changed how cocaine is produced in terms of it's strength plus what they cut it with as well, which has caused many more deaths from cocaine than in earlier years - it's much more dangerous now.

I see FOB has had a field day over the cocaine mention in the PV, has any of that been clarified since I left earlier today? Meds is naive to think that a reporter like Greta isn't going to work her, since she opened her email blathering how she's friends with Anita? Of course Greta is going to be solicitious toward her.

Have any of you been watching SandraK's latest at FOB? I do think she's truly lost it finally, completely around the bend or is drinking heavily   she has viet vet in her swingers culture now as well ?       Someone must be hitting a nerve in them they are tossing tantrums right and left.

[mishy]

Evening Monkeys

Wasn't Alex the guy in the pic with the axe?

I don't think the guy in white tshirt is Lorenzo

Hey Yapz, love your avatar...Great to see ya!

That guy in the white shirt looks pretty young, although he is really blurry...