Lively Case Discussion #549 11/27 - 11/28/2006

[klaasend]

Bill O'Reilly will be having something on NH after commercial.  Greta will be on.

Thanks San!!

[justinsmama]

Hey I have an idea, we could start a new thread of Renfro lies and deceit, call it Bondia Bingo !!!!!!

LOL!

[Ono]

{snipped}

Joe: What I make of it Martha is another individual trying to cash in on this tragedy this guy is a materialist, he’s a capitalist; he is someone is making money off of a false story. I spoke to Antonio Carlo the former lawyer for Joran; he made no such statement to the prosecutor and let me tell you this I’ve looked through every single document in this case

hmmm....former?

  Wow! Good catch;  Also, what the hell is wrong with being a capitalist, Joey ???????????????????????????????????????????? You associate that with being a huckster? So Joey must be a socialist ? Evidently, de Vries has hit paydirt with daring to broadcast the truth and the wounded are screaming! Go de Vries! Let's have more of this!

[SunFreak2]

So, a person would have to snort a sugar bowl full in one evening full to die from this ? If she was up dancing, when did all this take place ? And where ? And sez WHO ?

I sincerely doubt that many people could afford a sugar bowl full of cocaine!!

Do you remember Len Bias, basketball player drafted for the NBA, died of an overdose of cocaine in 1986.  The hospital found traces of cocine in his urine.  The cocaine had sped up his heart that he died of a cardiac arrythmia.

Like it has been said before, it depends on the strength of the cocaine.  Most dealers cut the coke before they sell it.  Each successive dealer cuts the coke again.  That close to Columbia, I would think the coke would be relatively uncut - more pure.

[bleachedblack]

Who are these friends of Joran? And, where are they? Paintball?


Guy with the ax


Could Ax guy be on bottom/right or top/middle...He's wearing a "Slipknot" shirt.


Joran's friend Alex


Is this Alex with Joran in C&C's?

Axeman alex was one of the mutual friends on the tickle.com sites as I recall common between many of the pimps. Can't t tell if that is him in C+C's with Joran but I recall speculation about that pic as both he and Joran appeared to be wearing the same shirt, sporting same haircut ....were they up to one of their evil PIMP games?

(Remember the Barcadera seaport sighting...Car with blonde girl in bushes...
Guy with an ax... )

[Ono]

i missed Beth on Greta last night, what did she say about scared monkeys ?

She said she had a crush on Blah.

[nonesuche]

Did ya'll just hear Greta?  

[Shizaru]

Did ya'll just hear Greta?  

What did she say?

[Kat_Gram]

i missed Beth on Greta last night, what did she say about scared monkeys ?

She said she had a crush on Blah.

And Greta said that she likes Joran because she never had that kind of attention from any teenage boys before. They will marry soon.

[klaasend]

Did ya'll just hear Greta?  

What did she say?

She doesn't believe that Antonio Carlo would go the KJ with a guilty concience.

[nonesuche]

Did ya'll just hear Greta?  

What did she say?

someone correct me if I'm wrong in my read on this for I am not a greta fan......but she appeared to discount De Vries' contention regarding the Antonio Carlo event with Janssen? Of course her doubt stems from the fact she was unable to secure any time herself with Carlo?

If I'm correct on my read I do hope De Vries hears of this?

[justinsmama]

Did ya'll just hear Greta?  

What did she say?

She doesn't believe that Antonio Carlo would go the KJ with a guilty concience.

LOL! Well, we know how well Greta's judgement is, now don't we? Ya know what? I'm done with her.

[nonesuche]

i missed Beth on Greta last night, what did she say about scared monkeys ?

She said she had a crush on Blah.

And Greta said that she likes Joran because she never had that kind of attention from any teenage boys before. They will marry soon.

     post of the day  

[bleachedblack]

Did ya'll just hear Greta?  

What did she say?

someone correct me if I'm wrong in my read on this for I am not a greta fan......but she appeared to discount De Vries' contention regarding the Antonio Carlo event with Janssen? Of course her doubt stems from the fact she was unable to secure any time herself with Carlo?

If I'm correct on my read I do hope De Vries hears of this?

HAH, well that is an accurate truth meter......she couldn't get the interview-oops it's a lie.

[SunFreak2]

memphis wrote;

I think I was thinking of Corey Taylor, but I think Yapperz is correct. She says guy with axe is Alex.

Yup Alex was the axeman's name, and he had posted the pic on his tickle site. Anyway, glad that's outa-the-way.

ALEXXX:
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=t3gxKBNNO4GSv-_8

[IndyDan]

You all are so good at reading and disecting down to the truth it's unbelievable.  I truly struggle to keep up.
A couple of things I'd like to comment on, it's becoming more and more obvious to me that KJ is well anchored in the coverup.  I always thought all along she was a little frustrated with the choker she was wearing but I'm convinced she is one of the key players in suppressing and hiding evidence.
The fact that she's totally ignored the family all this time speaks volumes.
Secondly, Joe Taco is laughable, he's such a media hound that thinks he's so above everyone he doesn't see that the large majority are laughing at his ignorance.  
Finally, I can't help but wonder why DeVries didn't interview Beth, I'm sure she could have provided him with enough information for a series.

[San]

Did ya'll just hear Greta?  

What did she say?

She doesn't think Joran was on the beach with Natalee.

[memphis]

I've got Greta pinned.
She is always going to side with Joe T.
She has too much at stake.
He is always on her show.
She depends on him.
They're in bed together.
Same reason she tends to believe Joran.

IMO

[Kat_Gram]

I am done with Gag-Me_Greta. And Fox. Even their stinkin web site.
I would watch a trial of Joran or any of them.
We all come from different backgrounds. Tyler said that Shakespeare
said let's kill all the lawyers.  
I did not know that. I thought it was a song by MoJo Nixon.
He did it at something I was at and everyone cheered.If you don't know who MoJo is, forget it. He is lewd, rude and crude .

[Ono]

The crime scene was NOT the VDS home.  That is highly inconsistent with the evidence (text messages, polis car tape) and logic (2K have no motive to lie about dropoff point, ect).  IMO.

I guess if you buy into the text messages, or even if you consider the text messages as 'for real" I don't think they rule out the scene of the crime as being the VDS property.  The test messages could have been sent during the "first attempt to dispose of the body" as a cover.  

One thing I remember from the polis car tape was Deepak saying to Joran something about "your own father".  Earlier upthread there was a brief discussion about Joran procuring for someone else.  Could have been PVDS??  

If you followed any of the Shango/Simian, "Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:24 pm
The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone.
The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes.
This is all a “lugubrious game" to them. They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads.
One of them needs to be pinched. "

Look up "lugubrious game " and you will find this is a painting by Dali, one of sexual perversion and castration.  You can also find opinons of Dali's subconscious motives for this painting, some of which may just apply to PVDS as well.

Joran himself put them all at or outside his home when he did the interview with Greta.  Why?  He said they never got out of the car. Why?  Because he knew they may have been seen there, or at least the car was seen there?  Maybe ole Paulus was having his own little party while Mama Sloot was away.  With a few friends over, too.

If Paulus was the man seen at the blackjack table that night with the MB students and Joran, could it be possible that he selected Natalee for himself and Joran paid the K2's to drive him out to get her?  Weren't there some rumors about ATM's in the early morning hours?  The K2's may have already been paid drivers earlier, but more money would be needed for grave digging.

I think the possibility of the VDS home being the crime scene is as good as any.  But....who really knows?

IMO, yes, yes, and yes....I also agree with your hypothetical scenario/theory. Joran was the scout, the Kalperms the transportation, and well....you know the rest, when the cat's away, the mice/mouse will play.